| Controversial subject but.... on 09:49 - Jul 3 with 2994 views | Cafe_Newman |
Like you say, it's controversial but it shouldn't be.
The article makes the same point: “We live in what’s called a ‘snowflake’ generation. Everyone wants to be uber-woke and virtue signal. And we have a shrill minority on platforms like Twitter where they celebrate victimhood. No-one wants to call this out.” and
"People are so frightened to tell the truth about childhood obesity because they’re frightened of causing offence.”
Causing offense is one of the byproducts of free speech which is itself an essential feedback mechanism in creating a healthy society.
We shouldn't be obsessed (as we are) by not causing offense, but work on not taking offense so often instead. |  | |  |
| Controversial subject but.... on 10:09 - Jul 3 with 2921 views | ZXBlue |
| Controversial subject but.... on 09:49 - Jul 3 by Cafe_Newman |
Like you say, it's controversial but it shouldn't be.
The article makes the same point: “We live in what’s called a ‘snowflake’ generation. Everyone wants to be uber-woke and virtue signal. And we have a shrill minority on platforms like Twitter where they celebrate victimhood. No-one wants to call this out.” and
"People are so frightened to tell the truth about childhood obesity because they’re frightened of causing offence.”
Causing offense is one of the byproducts of free speech which is itself an essential feedback mechanism in creating a healthy society.
We shouldn't be obsessed (as we are) by not causing offense, but work on not taking offense so often instead. |
It isnt controversial. Its is openly and reasonably raised and addressed in all manner of quarters through healthcare professionals and government / local authorities. Nothing controversial about it.
The bloke quoted int he article has something of an agenda. As you can tell from the flurry of trigger words: snowflake, woke, virtue signal etc. Terms which have absolutely nothing to do with the issue in question. |  | | |
| Controversial subject but.... on 10:11 - Jul 3 with 2916 views | DanTheMan |
| Controversial subject but.... on 10:09 - Jul 3 by ZXBlue |
It isnt controversial. Its is openly and reasonably raised and addressed in all manner of quarters through healthcare professionals and government / local authorities. Nothing controversial about it.
The bloke quoted int he article has something of an agenda. As you can tell from the flurry of trigger words: snowflake, woke, virtue signal etc. Terms which have absolutely nothing to do with the issue in question. |
Yeah, this is conflating two issues. I don't think anyone is against childhood obesity. |  |
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| Controversial subject but.... on 10:46 - Jul 3 with 2837 views | Cafe_Newman |
| Controversial subject but.... on 10:09 - Jul 3 by ZXBlue |
It isnt controversial. Its is openly and reasonably raised and addressed in all manner of quarters through healthcare professionals and government / local authorities. Nothing controversial about it.
The bloke quoted int he article has something of an agenda. As you can tell from the flurry of trigger words: snowflake, woke, virtue signal etc. Terms which have absolutely nothing to do with the issue in question. |
It may be "reasonably raised and addressed in all manner of quarters through healthcare and government" yet the problem appears to be worsening. Why would that be?
My view, and apparently that of the author, is that it's not acceptable to point out, in society in general, that someone's obese, for fear of causing offence. | | | |
| Controversial subject but.... on 11:08 - Jul 3 with 2773 views | noggin |
| Controversial subject but.... on 10:46 - Jul 3 by Cafe_Newman |
It may be "reasonably raised and addressed in all manner of quarters through healthcare and government" yet the problem appears to be worsening. Why would that be?
My view, and apparently that of the author, is that it's not acceptable to point out, in society in general, that someone's obese, for fear of causing offence. |
"My view, and apparently that of the author, is that it's not acceptable to point out, in society in general, that someone's obese, for fear of causing offence."
The same for brexit voters. They should be called out as idiots but too many of them get easily offended by it. [Post edited 3 Jul 2022 11:09]
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| Controversial subject but.... on 11:22 - Jul 3 with 2728 views | ZXBlue |
| Controversial subject but.... on 10:46 - Jul 3 by Cafe_Newman |
It may be "reasonably raised and addressed in all manner of quarters through healthcare and government" yet the problem appears to be worsening. Why would that be?
My view, and apparently that of the author, is that it's not acceptable to point out, in society in general, that someone's obese, for fear of causing offence. |
The point is that it is entirely acceptable to point out the problem. There are all manner of reasons it is getting worse. A failure to point it out really isnt one of them.
Though to make direct insultiung personal comments to someone is boorish and rude. Always has been. Nothing woke about it. | | | |
| Controversial subject but.... on 11:30 - Jul 3 with 2697 views | Churchman |
I had to laugh at the chips and fags reference. That was me. Dossing around? Tick! Girls? Went to an all boys school so - tick! Outside football, swimming, sport, cycling - tick. Cycled everywhere
School itself was very outdoors/sport orientated. Lots of it, rowing, rugby, fives, cricket, running, tennis, fencing swimming etc etc, you name it. You were tried out for them all. I wasn’t much good, but loved it.
When you are young you burn energy. Much as I like indoors stuff including computers and particularly books, I still prefer outdoors. I was lucky. I hope children who don’t get out much discover how much fun it can be |  | | |
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| Controversial subject but.... on 11:33 - Jul 3 with 2679 views | BlueBadger |
Too much internet porn innit. In MY day we walked MILES scouring the hedgerows for grot. |  |
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| Controversial subject but.... on 13:05 - Jul 3 with 2472 views | jeera |
| Controversial subject but.... on 09:49 - Jul 3 by Cafe_Newman |
Like you say, it's controversial but it shouldn't be.
The article makes the same point: “We live in what’s called a ‘snowflake’ generation. Everyone wants to be uber-woke and virtue signal. And we have a shrill minority on platforms like Twitter where they celebrate victimhood. No-one wants to call this out.” and
"People are so frightened to tell the truth about childhood obesity because they’re frightened of causing offence.”
Causing offense is one of the byproducts of free speech which is itself an essential feedback mechanism in creating a healthy society.
We shouldn't be obsessed (as we are) by not causing offense, but work on not taking offense so often instead. |
"I view childhood obesity as a version of child abuse"
Hardly revolutionary. It's what plenty of people in child health care have been saying for many years.
"Here's something we already know but I'm saying it now". Bloody guru he is.
How on earth is this a snowflake thing? I think some people just like to use these daft terms because it saves them having to think. How did people used to speak before these words were handed to them?
It's offensive now to tell a kid he's fat? You don't fecking say.
"Oi lady, your kid's a porker luv!" Fair to say not many people are going to say that to strangers are they.
Harry can't even say it about our bumbling PM without an element crying into their John Smiths for goodness' sake.
Education is the answer as always, but there's then never been more information available about food than there is now.
If people can't see how children's lives are the complete opposite to what they were just a couple of decades ago and rely on stupid terms like 'snowflake' and 'bedwetters' to make a point it's pretty clear they don't give a sh1t about the kids' welfare.
It's all about getting to use their silly terms and looking to score a few cheap points, although against whom is anyone's guess. |  |
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| Controversial subject but.... on 13:27 - Jul 3 with 2421 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Controversial subject but.... on 10:11 - Jul 3 by DanTheMan |
Yeah, this is conflating two issues. I don't think anyone is against childhood obesity. |
For rather than against! |  |
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| Controversial subject but.... on 13:35 - Jul 3 with 2387 views | giant_stow |
Not as easy an issue to deal with as I assumed pre parenthood. Now we're there and having less control over what he eats, our lad is getting a little bit of fat around his middle - nothing too much and nowhere near obese, but enough to notice when he's got his top off.
Being honest, its pretty tricky to stop the sweet treats once they've been introduced. We're now on a bit of a campaign to keep a lid on it, but I don't think anyone should go away feeling judgmental about this issue (like I used to) |  |
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| Controversial subject but.... on 14:04 - Jul 3 with 2325 views | Swansea_Blue |
A lot seem to take after their parents. We’ve somehow got to the point where being fat is considered inevitable as you get older. It not at all (and yes, I’m carrying a few extra pounds before anyone asked!). Just bad habits, so it’s no surprise kids follow suit. |  |
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| Controversial subject but.... on 16:27 - Jul 3 with 2093 views | jeera |
| Controversial subject but.... on 13:35 - Jul 3 by giant_stow |
Not as easy an issue to deal with as I assumed pre parenthood. Now we're there and having less control over what he eats, our lad is getting a little bit of fat around his middle - nothing too much and nowhere near obese, but enough to notice when he's got his top off.
Being honest, its pretty tricky to stop the sweet treats once they've been introduced. We're now on a bit of a campaign to keep a lid on it, but I don't think anyone should go away feeling judgmental about this issue (like I used to) |
You can only have X amount of control of what goes inside the home but it's impossible to stop outside influences beyond that isn't it.
The small child of a friend of mine had no idea sweets existed until he was maybe 5-ish.
He'd never been introduced before then and they were never brought into the home.
Beyond that all you do is try to counter other influences the best you can and educate them. Food can be an issue I know but am a firm believer that kids needs to be introduced to lots of different things at a young age.
But encouraging activities is something all parents can do surely, walking the shorter distances with them so they don't expect to hop into the car to go everywhere.
My ex lady wouldn't allow her kids to have computers/games consoles in their rooms and they never knew any different in their own lives.
That stuff was for downstairs and their bedrooms were crammed with books. After school and weekend clubs; like tennis and swimming etc were always on the agenda. Gotta say I sometimes thought she was a bit firm but they both went on to excel in their education and the lad also in sport. Both at Cambridge nowadays I understand. | |
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| Controversial subject but.... on 17:34 - Jul 3 with 1972 views | Mullet |
| Controversial subject but.... on 09:49 - Jul 3 by Cafe_Newman |
Like you say, it's controversial but it shouldn't be.
The article makes the same point: “We live in what’s called a ‘snowflake’ generation. Everyone wants to be uber-woke and virtue signal. And we have a shrill minority on platforms like Twitter where they celebrate victimhood. No-one wants to call this out.” and
"People are so frightened to tell the truth about childhood obesity because they’re frightened of causing offence.”
Causing offense is one of the byproducts of free speech which is itself an essential feedback mechanism in creating a healthy society.
We shouldn't be obsessed (as we are) by not causing offense, but work on not taking offense so often instead. |
The only accurate thing in that first quote is the "what's called" part, essentially as the whole phenomena is essentially "tell it like it is" dickheads making stuff up because their arguments are sh1t.
Childhood obesity is a massive problem, I am incredibly concerned by what I see when it comes to the two extremes of a lack of quality food and just a lack of food that poverty brings.
The issue is not solely this government's fault but their constant erosion of everything good means that free-school meals, Sure Start and measures that can be put in outside of the home are no longer there or funded well enough.
I'd actually say the biggest part is the gluttony of the baby-boom generation and their reliance on instant cooking that sowed the seeds of this. Convenience food and the massive boom in processed sh1te started decades ago and this is the peak of it isn't it? |  |
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| Controversial subject but.... on 17:43 - Jul 3 with 1938 views | gtsb1966 |
| Controversial subject but.... on 17:34 - Jul 3 by Mullet |
The only accurate thing in that first quote is the "what's called" part, essentially as the whole phenomena is essentially "tell it like it is" dickheads making stuff up because their arguments are sh1t.
Childhood obesity is a massive problem, I am incredibly concerned by what I see when it comes to the two extremes of a lack of quality food and just a lack of food that poverty brings.
The issue is not solely this government's fault but their constant erosion of everything good means that free-school meals, Sure Start and measures that can be put in outside of the home are no longer there or funded well enough.
I'd actually say the biggest part is the gluttony of the baby-boom generation and their reliance on instant cooking that sowed the seeds of this. Convenience food and the massive boom in processed sh1te started decades ago and this is the peak of it isn't it? |
Cooking has become a chore rather than a pleasure hasn't it. Once you get into that "put the oven on and shove it in " mindset you're on the slippery slope. |  | | |
| Controversial subject but.... on 19:45 - Jul 3 with 1787 views | chicoazul |
My views on this have changed quite a lot over the years thanks in part to some interesting insight from TWTDers.
Fast food and the advertising industry have absolutely wrecked the health of a large part of the most disadvantaged vulnerable people in society. |  |
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| Controversial subject but.... on 13:01 - Jul 4 with 1487 views | BonneNIL |
Too many children in Ipswich and surrounds these days are wearing Manchester City and Liverpool shirts, and outside of the town... Norwich .... |  |
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| Controversial subject but.... on 13:29 - Jul 4 with 1413 views | STYG |
| Controversial subject but.... on 17:43 - Jul 3 by gtsb1966 |
Cooking has become a chore rather than a pleasure hasn't it. Once you get into that "put the oven on and shove it in " mindset you're on the slippery slope. |
It's very sad but seems to be a skill not being passed on. With all the bloody cookery shows that are continually on you'd think it would be improving rather than getting worse.
I absolutely love cooking. Partly because I can wash up as a I go along and not have to do it all at the end!
But there is a lot of joy to be found in making something to your taste, getting it right, improving and improvising. | | | |
| Controversial subject but.... on 16:32 - Jul 4 with 1306 views | Leaky |
| Controversial subject but.... on 11:30 - Jul 3 by Churchman |
I had to laugh at the chips and fags reference. That was me. Dossing around? Tick! Girls? Went to an all boys school so - tick! Outside football, swimming, sport, cycling - tick. Cycled everywhere
School itself was very outdoors/sport orientated. Lots of it, rowing, rugby, fives, cricket, running, tennis, fencing swimming etc etc, you name it. You were tried out for them all. I wasn’t much good, but loved it.
When you are young you burn energy. Much as I like indoors stuff including computers and particularly books, I still prefer outdoors. I was lucky. I hope children who don’t get out much discover how much fun it can be |
Well mate looks like you a very upper class education. Obviously didn't go to the local Comprehensive/Secondary Modern school. |  | | |
| Controversial subject but.... on 16:38 - Jul 4 with 1290 views | DanTheMan |
| Controversial subject but.... on 13:29 - Jul 4 by STYG |
It's very sad but seems to be a skill not being passed on. With all the bloody cookery shows that are continually on you'd think it would be improving rather than getting worse.
I absolutely love cooking. Partly because I can wash up as a I go along and not have to do it all at the end!
But there is a lot of joy to be found in making something to your taste, getting it right, improving and improvising. |
It's fine to enjoy cooking, I do too, but it takes time and effort.
Maybe you're a single mother of a couple of kids and you don't enjoy cooking. You work extra hours to make ends meet and by the time you get back off work the last thing you want to do is cook a meal for fussy kids as well as yourself.
It's quite easy to see why you'd reach for something easy that is unhealthy and due to the fat and salt content will taste good.
I know a lot of people like to bang on that eating healthy is really cheap but eating healthy and making food taste nice takes time and effort. If you don't enjoy cooking then it's really tough.
That said, I will say that school really does not help with teaching kids to cook. The cooking lessons I remember at school were awful, they taught you some basic food safety and then had you maybe bake some bread or make an apple crumble but nothing about just basics of cooking. | |
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| Controversial subject but.... on 17:34 - Jul 4 with 1218 views | chicoazul |
| Controversial subject but.... on 16:38 - Jul 4 by DanTheMan |
It's fine to enjoy cooking, I do too, but it takes time and effort.
Maybe you're a single mother of a couple of kids and you don't enjoy cooking. You work extra hours to make ends meet and by the time you get back off work the last thing you want to do is cook a meal for fussy kids as well as yourself.
It's quite easy to see why you'd reach for something easy that is unhealthy and due to the fat and salt content will taste good.
I know a lot of people like to bang on that eating healthy is really cheap but eating healthy and making food taste nice takes time and effort. If you don't enjoy cooking then it's really tough.
That said, I will say that school really does not help with teaching kids to cook. The cooking lessons I remember at school were awful, they taught you some basic food safety and then had you maybe bake some bread or make an apple crumble but nothing about just basics of cooking. |
Home economics at school is pretty good now IME, my daughter has regular weekly lessons and they learn about peeling chopping nutrition cuts of meat and whatnot. Like so many things at school it all depends if you’re interested and or have an engaging teacher. | |
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| Controversial subject but.... on 18:09 - Jul 4 with 1179 views | TractorBrew |
| Controversial subject but.... on 17:34 - Jul 4 by chicoazul |
Home economics at school is pretty good now IME, my daughter has regular weekly lessons and they learn about peeling chopping nutrition cuts of meat and whatnot. Like so many things at school it all depends if you’re interested and or have an engaging teacher. |
I was discussing this with a few friends post school sports day, so interesting it has come up on here...It was kicked off by one parent saying how unfair it was to make the obese kids take part, and that it was patronising for parents to cheer them on when they were so far behind. Didn't agree at all, obviously if the kid didn't want to then fine, but this kids were loving it and their classmates all congratulated them etc
But, the link to lower incomes etc and poor diet isn't always true. Our village is up there with the most affluent in the midlands, and it is clear that some wealthy folk don't value cooking a good meal either, and dish up ready meals / take aways pretty frequently, because they are oh so busy / important that they can't cook a decent meal. | | | |
| Controversial subject but.... on 18:19 - Jul 4 with 1151 views | jeera |
| Controversial subject but.... on 16:32 - Jul 4 by Leaky |
Well mate looks like you a very upper class education. Obviously didn't go to the local Comprehensive/Secondary Modern school. |
You don't remember playing fives at school?!
It was on the curriculum usually falling somewhere between polo and quidditch! | |
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| Controversial subject but.... on 18:24 - Jul 4 with 1140 views | chicoazul |
| Controversial subject but.... on 18:19 - Jul 4 by jeera |
You don't remember playing fives at school?!
It was on the curriculum usually falling somewhere between polo and quidditch! |
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