| Our new energy minister 09:27 - Sep 7 with 1608 views | StokieBlue |
Climate Change is clearly becoming a major issue and we are also currently at the whims of the international energy markets and thus dependent on attitudes and actions of pretty horrible regimes.
Given this clearly it's the right thing to do to appoint someone who is doesn't really believe in seriousness of Climate Change and wants to pivot away from wind power and use more oil and gas and is keen on fracking.
Ridiculous.
I suspect the net zero promises will be quite high on his list of things he doesn't like as well.
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| Our new energy minister on 09:30 - Sep 7 with 1577 views | Swansea_Blue |
He may keep repeating some of those promises, and there'll be international pressure for him to do so. He could be like Gove in the Env role - saying one thing and normally delivering the opposite. They love a bit of greenwash, but then look at the state of things now. It used to be you'd check the tide table before going down to the beach, now you have to check the sewage outflow reports first. |  |
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| Our new energy minister on 09:31 - Sep 7 with 1578 views | Cotty |
There was an excellent interview on the today programme this morning, where the expert (missed his name) pointed out that since gas is priced globally, digging more out of the ground will not make the tiniest difference to the cost of energy. All it does is improve energy security (which in fairness is also important). The ONLY thing to do, both for the cost of living crisis and for the climate emergency, is to build a lot of renewable capacity extremely quickly. That means building onshore wind and solar in large quantities. But that doesn't align with the Tory's love affair with oil profits. We're all doomed. |  | | |
| Our new energy minister on 09:34 - Sep 7 with 1543 views | StokieBlue |
| Our new energy minister on 09:31 - Sep 7 by Cotty |
There was an excellent interview on the today programme this morning, where the expert (missed his name) pointed out that since gas is priced globally, digging more out of the ground will not make the tiniest difference to the cost of energy. All it does is improve energy security (which in fairness is also important). The ONLY thing to do, both for the cost of living crisis and for the climate emergency, is to build a lot of renewable capacity extremely quickly. That means building onshore wind and solar in large quantities. But that doesn't align with the Tory's love affair with oil profits. We're all doomed. |
The pegging of all prices to the international gas price has to stop. There needs to be prices by source. As it stands energy generated from wind is costing exactly the same as it was before but due to the pegging it's being sold at the gas price so the public gets screwed and the renewable company makes an absolute killing.
As you say, what needs to be done is the opposite of what Mogg wants to do. Lots of renewables and if we require baseline power then modular distributed nuclear using the Rolls Royce style mini-reactors.
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| Our new energy minister on 09:35 - Sep 7 with 1532 views | Cotty |
| Our new energy minister on 09:34 - Sep 7 by StokieBlue |
The pegging of all prices to the international gas price has to stop. There needs to be prices by source. As it stands energy generated from wind is costing exactly the same as it was before but due to the pegging it's being sold at the gas price so the public gets screwed and the renewable company makes an absolute killing.
As you say, what needs to be done is the opposite of what Mogg wants to do. Lots of renewables and if we require baseline power then modular distributed nuclear using the Rolls Royce style mini-reactors.
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Maybe controversial, but in the short term, I'm not entirely against renewable energy companies making very large profits. That's the kind of economic pressure for change that you need when governments are asleep at the wheel. | | | |
| Our new energy minister on 09:39 - Sep 7 with 1487 views | Steve_M |
The majority of the UK public accept that climate change is happening and also vehemently dislike JRM. He is unlikely to be popular doing a real role, Johnson (although it was probably Cummings initially) was aware enough to keep him away from one of those.
The cost of net zero argument is going to have some impact though, especially at a time of rising costs. However, just pushing for more supply won't solve anything I imagine that public support would be far more in favour of energy efficiency and reducing demand than at any time since the 1970s now. |  |
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| Our new energy minister on 09:48 - Sep 7 with 1461 views | Father_Jack |
Don't worry, our new Environment Minister is Ranil Jawardene.
Oh, hang on.....
From "They work for You":
How Ranil Jayawardena voted on Environmental Issues:
Consistently voted against measures to prevent climate change
Voted against financial incentives for low carbon emission electricity generation
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| Our new energy minister on 09:52 - Sep 7 with 1433 views | DanTheMan |
| Our new energy minister on 09:31 - Sep 7 by Cotty |
There was an excellent interview on the today programme this morning, where the expert (missed his name) pointed out that since gas is priced globally, digging more out of the ground will not make the tiniest difference to the cost of energy. All it does is improve energy security (which in fairness is also important). The ONLY thing to do, both for the cost of living crisis and for the climate emergency, is to build a lot of renewable capacity extremely quickly. That means building onshore wind and solar in large quantities. But that doesn't align with the Tory's love affair with oil profits. We're all doomed. |
My limited understanding is that it even if we did dig up a load more oil / gas it would be private companies doing it and would just go onto the open market.
Which doesn't scream energy security to me. |  |
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| Our new energy minister on 09:55 - Sep 7 with 1418 views | Cotty |
| Our new energy minister on 09:52 - Sep 7 by DanTheMan |
My limited understanding is that it even if we did dig up a load more oil / gas it would be private companies doing it and would just go onto the open market.
Which doesn't scream energy security to me. |
Good point. I can't imagine anybody in government has any vested interests in oil or gas though *AHEMCOUGHAHEM* | | | |
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| Our new energy minister on 10:11 - Sep 7 with 1380 views | Pinewoodblue |
| Our new energy minister on 09:52 - Sep 7 by DanTheMan |
My limited understanding is that it even if we did dig up a load more oil / gas it would be private companies doing it and would just go onto the open market.
Which doesn't scream energy security to me. |
We have raised North Sea gas production by over 20% this year and exported it to Europe no doubt leading to an increase in overall exports to Europe. How long before we are told Brexit Is working. |  |
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| Our new energy minister on 10:15 - Sep 7 with 1366 views | Darth_Koont |
It’s going to be a right-wing culture war for the next election, isn’t it? Elements of that before with Boris in general and people like Patel. But now looks like they’re setting up to talk about anything but the failure of the Tories over the last 12 years – and indeed the end of the road for neoliberalism and deregulation given they’re evidently not working for people or the planet.
Unfortunately I see nothing in our unserious, clickbaity media and our unserious, right-pitching opposition that will bring debate back towards real, evidence-based and much more pressing areas. |  |
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| Our new energy minister on 11:11 - Sep 7 with 1291 views | Ryorry |
| Our new energy minister on 09:31 - Sep 7 by Cotty |
There was an excellent interview on the today programme this morning, where the expert (missed his name) pointed out that since gas is priced globally, digging more out of the ground will not make the tiniest difference to the cost of energy. All it does is improve energy security (which in fairness is also important). The ONLY thing to do, both for the cost of living crisis and for the climate emergency, is to build a lot of renewable capacity extremely quickly. That means building onshore wind and solar in large quantities. But that doesn't align with the Tory's love affair with oil profits. We're all doomed. |
Expert was right re pricing/costs and that's always been an economic argument against fracking, but it's incorrect to say it'd improve energy security unless new law/s are passed which would require those doing any fracking (they're all private companies) to sell exclusively to the UK. So far, it's always been the case that they'd have been free to sell on the open market - which basically meant abroad for higher prices.
On the bright side, it'd be very easy to expose as a fool (or worse) any member/s of govt. trying to push fracking - it has been tried in the UK & exposed as unviable in practical terms never mind the economic arguments against. Some people seem to be finding it remarkably hard to get into their wooden heads that we're not the USA, don't have its landmass, geologies or population densities! |  |
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| Our new energy minister on 11:13 - Sep 7 with 1277 views | Ryorry |
| Our new energy minister on 09:52 - Sep 7 by DanTheMan |
My limited understanding is that it even if we did dig up a load more oil / gas it would be private companies doing it and would just go onto the open market.
Which doesn't scream energy security to me. |
Sorry, intended to reply to this rather than Cotty's! | |
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| Our new energy minister on 11:27 - Sep 7 with 1229 views | chicoazul |
As long as the Chinese Indonesians Mexicans Brazilians Phillipinos Indians and the States continue with what they’re doing you could have Swampy or T Boone Pickens in charge and it won’t make any difference at all to our destination. [Post edited 7 Sep 2022 11:29]
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| Our new energy minister on 11:27 - Sep 7 with 1223 views | Steve_M |
| Our new energy minister on 10:11 - Sep 7 by Pinewoodblue |
We have raised North Sea gas production by over 20% this year and exported it to Europe no doubt leading to an increase in overall exports to Europe. How long before we are told Brexit Is working. |
A lot of the gas that has gone to Europe is imported LNG, or equivalent too because the UK has the import capacity to do that but not the storage to keep that for this Winter.
I wasn't aware that North Sea production had increased that much but thinking about it that is against a post-covid/lower gas prices benchmark so would make sense. | |
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| Our new energy minister on 11:34 - Sep 7 with 1192 views | Steve_M |
| Our new energy minister on 09:52 - Sep 7 by DanTheMan |
My limited understanding is that it even if we did dig up a load more oil / gas it would be private companies doing it and would just go onto the open market.
Which doesn't scream energy security to me. |
With the exception of state-controlled national oil companies - ME oil & gas producers, Chinese importers, Gazprom etc - then the whole energy market is essentially private companies.
Governmental influence does have a role though, most obviously in the need for a table regulatory framework (the UK has obviously been superb at this in recent years....) but also on more directly influencing actions: so some of those intergovernmental meetings with ME NOCs have seen a desire on the exporters part to show cargoes going to Europe.
The fact that regulations can be changed, especially on a European level, does probably make greater production more likely to lead to some increase in Energy Security than you might think.
Ultimately though, reducing demand and having more diversity of supply plus better storage is the only way that happens properly. | |
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| Our new energy minister on 11:36 - Sep 7 with 1180 views | EdwardStone |
| Our new energy minister on 11:27 - Sep 7 by Steve_M |
A lot of the gas that has gone to Europe is imported LNG, or equivalent too because the UK has the import capacity to do that but not the storage to keep that for this Winter.
I wasn't aware that North Sea production had increased that much but thinking about it that is against a post-covid/lower gas prices benchmark so would make sense. |
Crazy high oil prices mean that previously uneconomic gas/oil now becomes profitable to extract.
The stuff under the North Sea is relatively expensive to extract |  | | |
| Our new energy minister on 12:12 - Sep 7 with 1112 views | Radlett_blue |
| Our new energy minister on 09:34 - Sep 7 by StokieBlue |
The pegging of all prices to the international gas price has to stop. There needs to be prices by source. As it stands energy generated from wind is costing exactly the same as it was before but due to the pegging it's being sold at the gas price so the public gets screwed and the renewable company makes an absolute killing.
As you say, what needs to be done is the opposite of what Mogg wants to do. Lots of renewables and if we require baseline power then modular distributed nuclear using the Rolls Royce style mini-reactors.
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If you start trying to fix energy prices, then corporations won't want to be involved. Then your energy production will all have to be nationalised. Any idea of the cost of that? |  |
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| Our new energy minister on 13:39 - Sep 7 with 1012 views | StokieBlue |
| Our new energy minister on 12:12 - Sep 7 by Radlett_blue |
If you start trying to fix energy prices, then corporations won't want to be involved. Then your energy production will all have to be nationalised. Any idea of the cost of that? |
That depends what you mean by fixing energy prices.
Energy prices are already fixed to the highest market price regardless of generation cost, obviously corporations have no issue with that but decoupling the expensive gas markets from renewables makes sense, it's not fixing the price, it's allowing two different modes of energy generation to move independently. This is already done with types of refined oil.
The corporations were happy to be involved when they were making 400% less profits, there is wide scope for them to make less profits and still want to be involved.
I haven't mentioned nationalisation but France have just nationalised EDF, it was expensive and done at above market rates but they at least now have control of that vector of energy generation and distribution. If the companies keep making insane profits then there will be calls for nationalisation.
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| Our new energy minister on 14:36 - Sep 7 with 943 views | Steve_M |
| Our new energy minister on 09:39 - Sep 7 by Steve_M |
The majority of the UK public accept that climate change is happening and also vehemently dislike JRM. He is unlikely to be popular doing a real role, Johnson (although it was probably Cummings initially) was aware enough to keep him away from one of those.
The cost of net zero argument is going to have some impact though, especially at a time of rising costs. However, just pushing for more supply won't solve anything I imagine that public support would be far more in favour of energy efficiency and reducing demand than at any time since the 1970s now. |
The majority of the public also support greener generation it seems, the Tories are, rather literally, tilting at windmills:
Interesting and encouraging thread here. | |
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| Our new energy minister on 14:42 - Sep 7 with 928 views | DanTheMan |
| Our new energy minister on 14:36 - Sep 7 by Steve_M |
The majority of the public also support greener generation it seems, the Tories are, rather literally, tilting at windmills:
Interesting and encouraging thread here. |
It's encouraging there is support but unless people are willing to vote for it, it's not happening.
The fossil fuel lobby is way more powerful, especially when they are funding the think tanks that the Conservatives listen to. | |
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| Our new energy minister on 14:51 - Sep 7 with 888 views | benrhyddingblue |
| Our new energy minister on 09:34 - Sep 7 by StokieBlue |
The pegging of all prices to the international gas price has to stop. There needs to be prices by source. As it stands energy generated from wind is costing exactly the same as it was before but due to the pegging it's being sold at the gas price so the public gets screwed and the renewable company makes an absolute killing.
As you say, what needs to be done is the opposite of what Mogg wants to do. Lots of renewables and if we require baseline power then modular distributed nuclear using the Rolls Royce style mini-reactors.
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There are plans (or discussions about possible plans) to decouple renewable energy in the UK from external pricing, ie, so electricity from wind solar etc wouldn’t be tied to an electricity price dictated by gas prices. However, this is at a very early stage and I imagine it won’t be high on the agenda of the new government so not sure what will happen. It is mooted as a way to drive investment to the net zero goal rather than because of high prices but you would think the latter would prioritise such thinking. |  | | |
| Our new energy minister on 14:55 - Sep 7 with 880 views | BlueBadger |
| Our new energy minister on 11:27 - Sep 7 by chicoazul |
As long as the Chinese Indonesians Mexicans Brazilians Phillipinos Indians and the States continue with what they’re doing you could have Swampy or T Boone Pickens in charge and it won’t make any difference at all to our destination. [Post edited 7 Sep 2022 11:29]
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'But the other kids are doing it' remains a feeble get-out. |  |
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