| Ah, The Brexit Bonus… 23:13 - Dec 15 with 3100 views | ElderGrizzly |
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| Ah, The Brexit Bonus… on 23:25 - Dec 15 with 2744 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
We might have labour shortages, red tape for business, and sluggish growth- but least we can now buy a didgeridoo tariff free… |  | | |
| Ah, The Brexit Bonus… on 06:48 - Dec 16 with 2543 views | LegendofthePhoenix |
| Ah, The Brexit Bonus… on 23:25 - Dec 15 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
We might have labour shortages, red tape for business, and sluggish growth- but least we can now buy a didgeridoo tariff free… |
my didgeridoo just hasn't been the same since Covid. |  |
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| Ah, The Brexit Bonus… on 07:05 - Dec 16 with 2521 views | BlueNomad |
A massive act of self-harm, voted for by people who had no understanding of any of the issues, out of self interest and / or were prepared to be brainwashed by the right wing press and opportunistic braggarts. [Post edited 16 Dec 2022 9:49]
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| Ah, The Brexit Bonus… on 09:50 - Dec 16 with 2361 views | BlueNomad |
Is there anyone on here who still supports the referendum "win"? | | | |
| Ah, The Brexit Bonus… on 10:10 - Dec 16 with 2339 views | chicoazul |
| Ah, The Brexit Bonus… on 09:50 - Dec 16 by BlueNomad |
Is there anyone on here who still supports the referendum "win"? |
Well it depends how you define support. I think it was and is a dumb idea but the fact is, Leave won the vote and so we left. I also think there are potential upsides but sadly have no faith in our elite political classes ability to make good on them. |  |
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| Ah, The Brexit Bonus… on 10:50 - Dec 16 with 2306 views | ArnoldMoorhen |
| Ah, The Brexit Bonus… on 10:10 - Dec 16 by chicoazul |
Well it depends how you define support. I think it was and is a dumb idea but the fact is, Leave won the vote and so we left. I also think there are potential upsides but sadly have no faith in our elite political classes ability to make good on them. |
The Referendum was to leave the EU, a political union, not the Single Market.
At the most recent General Election, which Johnson played as a "Get Brexit Done" Referendum, the majority of voters supported parties who were seeking a softer Brexit, or no Brexit at all. | | | |
| Ah, The Brexit Bonus… on 12:01 - Dec 16 with 2229 views | Darth_Koont |
| Ah, The Brexit Bonus… on 07:05 - Dec 16 by BlueNomad |
A massive act of self-harm, voted for by people who had no understanding of any of the issues, out of self interest and / or were prepared to be brainwashed by the right wing press and opportunistic braggarts. [Post edited 16 Dec 2022 9:49]
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To be fair, that’s our politics in the wider sense too. Not just Brexit that’s one of the most clear-cut case studies. |  |
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| Ah, The Brexit Bonus… on 13:05 - Dec 16 with 2162 views | chicoazul |
| Ah, The Brexit Bonus… on 10:50 - Dec 16 by ArnoldMoorhen |
The Referendum was to leave the EU, a political union, not the Single Market.
At the most recent General Election, which Johnson played as a "Get Brexit Done" Referendum, the majority of voters supported parties who were seeking a softer Brexit, or no Brexit at all. |
I’m so bored with this salami slicing, sorry. We left; that’s it. | |
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| Ah, The Brexit Bonus… on 13:19 - Dec 16 with 2121 views | EdwardStone |
| Ah, The Brexit Bonus… on 10:10 - Dec 16 by chicoazul |
Well it depends how you define support. I think it was and is a dumb idea but the fact is, Leave won the vote and so we left. I also think there are potential upsides but sadly have no faith in our elite political classes ability to make good on them. |
A wafer-thin majority on a false prospectus?
Hardly a resounding victory
Profound decisions that require a referendum should have to specify a super-majority of 66% in order to stop this endless everlasting resentment |  | | |
| Ah, The Brexit Bonus… on 13:43 - Dec 16 with 2087 views | XYZ |
| Ah, The Brexit Bonus… on 13:05 - Dec 16 by chicoazul |
I’m so bored with this salami slicing, sorry. We left; that’s it. |
You've got to admire these quitters' logic.
Moan, moan, moan for years, "win" a referendum and then the subject must never be discussed ever again.
Then claim that it's "democracy". | | | |
| Ah, The Brexit Bonus… on 13:45 - Dec 16 with 2089 views | BlueNomad |
| Ah, The Brexit Bonus… on 13:05 - Dec 16 by chicoazul |
I’m so bored with this salami slicing, sorry. We left; that’s it. |
Do you ever have regrets? If you don't then I doubt that you learn as much as you could | | | |
| Ah, The Brexit Bonus… on 14:11 - Dec 16 with 2028 views | jeera |
| Ah, The Brexit Bonus… on 13:19 - Dec 16 by EdwardStone |
A wafer-thin majority on a false prospectus?
Hardly a resounding victory
Profound decisions that require a referendum should have to specify a super-majority of 66% in order to stop this endless everlasting resentment |
And a detailed explanation from every one of them. |  |
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| Ah, The Brexit Bonus… on 14:21 - Dec 16 with 2007 views | BlueNomad |
| Ah, The Brexit Bonus… on 14:11 - Dec 16 by jeera |
And a detailed explanation from every one of them. |
As Farage said before the referendum, "if it was a 52/48% majority to Remain it would be unfinished business......................" | | | |
| Ah, The Brexit Bonus… on 15:38 - Dec 16 with 1962 views | chicoazul |
| Ah, The Brexit Bonus… on 13:45 - Dec 16 by BlueNomad |
Do you ever have regrets? If you don't then I doubt that you learn as much as you could |
I voted Remain. | |
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| Ah, The Brexit Bonus… on 15:40 - Dec 16 with 1953 views | chicoazul |
| Ah, The Brexit Bonus… on 13:19 - Dec 16 by EdwardStone |
A wafer-thin majority on a false prospectus?
Hardly a resounding victory
Profound decisions that require a referendum should have to specify a super-majority of 66% in order to stop this endless everlasting resentment |
Sorry but you can’t have a referendum that only needs 34% to win. | |
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| Ah, The Brexit Bonus… on 15:50 - Dec 16 with 1937 views | You_Bloo_Right |
| Ah, The Brexit Bonus… on 15:40 - Dec 16 by chicoazul |
Sorry but you can’t have a referendum that only needs 34% to win. |
Referendum, no. General Election? No problem.  |  |
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| Ah, The Brexit Bonus… on 20:33 - Dec 16 with 1820 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Ah, The Brexit Bonus… on 10:10 - Dec 16 by chicoazul |
Well it depends how you define support. I think it was and is a dumb idea but the fact is, Leave won the vote and so we left. I also think there are potential upsides but sadly have no faith in our elite political classes ability to make good on them. |
Cameron was the most culpable for putting it to the people. He was over-confident of the right outcome, realised the disaster it was and rather face up to it, immediately resigned.
The logic of "it was the will of the people" when it is so clearly so damaging is plain daft.
Again, the idea that "we left" is such an over-simplification. I recall speaking to someone who voted leave who was annoyed afterwards because she thought the day after the leave vote we would simply leave and that would be that. In contrast those in the know pointed out that we were not only going to get hammered on an initial trade deal but every time afterwards when there is any future negotiation as a much smaller entity than we were, we would be hammered again and again and again. |  |
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| Ah, The Brexit Bonus… on 21:36 - Dec 16 with 1756 views | mylittletown |
| Ah, The Brexit Bonus… on 20:33 - Dec 16 by Nthsuffolkblue |
Cameron was the most culpable for putting it to the people. He was over-confident of the right outcome, realised the disaster it was and rather face up to it, immediately resigned.
The logic of "it was the will of the people" when it is so clearly so damaging is plain daft.
Again, the idea that "we left" is such an over-simplification. I recall speaking to someone who voted leave who was annoyed afterwards because she thought the day after the leave vote we would simply leave and that would be that. In contrast those in the know pointed out that we were not only going to get hammered on an initial trade deal but every time afterwards when there is any future negotiation as a much smaller entity than we were, we would be hammered again and again and again. |
The entire Leave campaign was based on over-simplifications, which chimed exactly with their audience, unfortunately. (to be fair, to some degree the Remain campaign was also simplistic for the same reason).
But we left in the only way we were ever going to leave, a 'hard' Brexit which was always going to be even more severely problematic.
Now we have to to try to push aside the cynical opportunists who harnessed the swivel-eyed right, and try to find a reasoned way to recover the economic disaster Brexit has imposed, whilst respecting the referendum result. |  | | |
| Ah, The Brexit Bonus… on 21:41 - Dec 16 with 1750 views | Swansea_Blue |
I’ve got a Benefits of Brexit advent calendar.
A door closes every day.
(Shamelessly nicked off somewhere). |  |
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| Ah, The Brexit Bonus… on 21:48 - Dec 16 with 1736 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Ah, The Brexit Bonus… on 21:41 - Dec 16 by Swansea_Blue |
I’ve got a Benefits of Brexit advent calendar.
A door closes every day.
(Shamelessly nicked off somewhere). |
Unlike a normal advent calendar it doesn't end after 24 or 25 days. | |
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| Ah, The Brexit Bonus… on 21:53 - Dec 16 with 1725 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Ah, The Brexit Bonus… on 21:36 - Dec 16 by mylittletown |
The entire Leave campaign was based on over-simplifications, which chimed exactly with their audience, unfortunately. (to be fair, to some degree the Remain campaign was also simplistic for the same reason).
But we left in the only way we were ever going to leave, a 'hard' Brexit which was always going to be even more severely problematic.
Now we have to to try to push aside the cynical opportunists who harnessed the swivel-eyed right, and try to find a reasoned way to recover the economic disaster Brexit has imposed, whilst respecting the referendum result. |
It certainly wasn’t inevitable we’d have a hard Brexit, given all the references to different outcomes from Canada-style, Norway-style, “absolutely nobody’s talking about threatening our place in the single market” all the way through to “no deal is better than a bad deal”. The problem was the outcome beyond leaving was never defined. Unless you mean it was naive to think otherwise?
We’ve picked possibly the most economically damaging that we can only recover from if we drastically change the relationship and have much closer alignment. It would be nice if we could start to right the wrongs, but it doesn’t look like there’s any chance unless there’s national acceptance that we fecked up. That must be possible but we don’t seem to be close yet. | |
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| Ah, The Brexit Bonus… on 22:25 - Dec 16 with 1630 views | HARRY10 |
that is not actually true. Both OZ/NZ deals have yet to be ratified by Parliament. And as the damage they will cause is now understood it will be some while before it is ratified.
It is only now dawning on dimwitted UK farmers what allowing unsafe Aus/NZ meats into the country means ie killing off UK meat exports to the EU, as there will always be the fear of that dodgy meat being repackaged and sent on to the EU.
Of course UK meat exporters can pay for detailed examination of every last sausage, but it will be much as with mad cow disease.... a blanket ban.
And, what happens if Parliament doesn't ratify those deals is anyones guess. There are plenty of Tories representing farming constituencies.
And so the Brexit lies continue to be found out. Food is not cheaper, wages are actually going down (real terms), farmers/fishermen are worse off, VAT has not been removed from energy bills. There has been only one new deal (Japan) and UK citizens have lost all the benefits of freedom of movement .......... work, living, studying. It is almost as if South Koreans voted to be taken over by North Korea.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/nov/14/flagship-post-brexit-australia-
“But it has to be said that, overall the truth of the matter is that the UK gave away far too much for far too little in return.” The UK’s flagship post-Brexit trade deal with Australia is “not actually a very good deal” | | | |
| Ah, The Brexit Bonus… on 09:27 - Dec 17 with 1371 views | Churchman |
Firstly, the Leave campaign was built on lies and wishful thinking. There was nothing more. Unicorns, imaginary sunlit uplands, swivel eyed fantasy. Given nobody in government knew how the country actually worked or how the EU worked, how on earth could the Leave campaign be anything else?
The lies continued. ‘A bad deal is better than no deal’. Trust me, it really wasn’t. No deal meant absolute catastrophe. That’s why they had to settle for a bad deal. The very worst deal was better than no deal.
Referendums are advisory and stupid. Why put something that you know nothing about (Brexit) to the people unless you are idiotic and arrogant enough to believe it was a political forgone conclusion (Cameron)? We elect a government. Get on with it and if you fail, get out. The current wrecking ball rubbish can’t even do the get out bit.
If anyone can name a single upside to Brexit, I’m all ears. Just one.
Solution? Once the current boneheads are thrown out, try and rejoin the SM/CU ASAP with all that goes with it. The EU will welcome it. The U.K. will remain a big market place. The N Ireland issue: gone at a stroke of the pen. Obviously, we will then become decision takers, but given how pathetic and corrupt our politicians are maybe that’s a good thing.
We are where we are and need to look forwards.
Edit: vaccine procurement maybe? It’s the only thing I can think of and I suspect even that could have been done within the EU. [Post edited 17 Dec 2022 9:59]
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| Ah, The Brexit Bonus… on 09:32 - Dec 17 with 1354 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| Ah, The Brexit Bonus… on 09:27 - Dec 17 by Churchman |
Firstly, the Leave campaign was built on lies and wishful thinking. There was nothing more. Unicorns, imaginary sunlit uplands, swivel eyed fantasy. Given nobody in government knew how the country actually worked or how the EU worked, how on earth could the Leave campaign be anything else?
The lies continued. ‘A bad deal is better than no deal’. Trust me, it really wasn’t. No deal meant absolute catastrophe. That’s why they had to settle for a bad deal. The very worst deal was better than no deal.
Referendums are advisory and stupid. Why put something that you know nothing about (Brexit) to the people unless you are idiotic and arrogant enough to believe it was a political forgone conclusion (Cameron)? We elect a government. Get on with it and if you fail, get out. The current wrecking ball rubbish can’t even do the get out bit.
If anyone can name a single upside to Brexit, I’m all ears. Just one.
Solution? Once the current boneheads are thrown out, try and rejoin the SM/CU ASAP with all that goes with it. The EU will welcome it. The U.K. will remain a big market place. The N Ireland issue: gone at a stroke of the pen. Obviously, we will then become decision takers, but given how pathetic and corrupt our politicians are maybe that’s a good thing.
We are where we are and need to look forwards.
Edit: vaccine procurement maybe? It’s the only thing I can think of and I suspect even that could have been done within the EU. [Post edited 17 Dec 2022 9:59]
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“try and rejoin the SM/CU ASAP with all that goes with it. ”
I don’t disagree but that’s unfortunately not going to happen in the foreseeable future. Starmer has sadly taken the option off the table, and (at least in financial services) the Tories are looking to create as much divergence as possible, which will make rejoining the single market ever more difficult and costly. | | | |
| Ah, The Brexit Bonus… on 09:54 - Dec 17 with 1311 views | Churchman |
| Ah, The Brexit Bonus… on 09:32 - Dec 17 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
“try and rejoin the SM/CU ASAP with all that goes with it. ”
I don’t disagree but that’s unfortunately not going to happen in the foreseeable future. Starmer has sadly taken the option off the table, and (at least in financial services) the Tories are looking to create as much divergence as possible, which will make rejoining the single market ever more difficult and costly. |
He’s taken it off the table now, but as things deteriorate, I suspect once the tories are thrown out it’ll be back on the table in one form or another, especially if he has a large majority. By then it’ll be a further 18 months of decline, civil unrest and no visible signs of any Brexit benefit down the line.
It won’t appear in a manifesto because the topic is taboo. But it doesn’t need to. Most manifestos are fodder to persuade the masses anyway. | | | |
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