| Owlstalk obsession with Barnsley 14:42 - Dec 28 with 7900 views | unstableblue |
Was over on Owlstalk as I do… and beyond the concerns over Moore, and his style and a lack of a plan B… one thing that really strikes me is:
A) how confident they remain over securing an automatic slot - “playing badly but still on course”
They are also sighting a run of tough fixtures for us and Plymouth.
B) They still don’t seem to rate Ipswich and Plymouth despite our position and first half of the season form
C) They have this obsession that Barnsley are going to run them close, along some references to Derby
Barnsley are 9 points off Weds and 11 from us, with 2 games in hand
This board seems to see the automatic as a 3 horse race.. are we not giving other teams enough credit?? |  |
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| Owlstalk obsession with Barnsley on 14:48 - Dec 28 with 5408 views | FrimleyBlue |
In regards to top 3. Barnsley are a concern.
However that's only IF we go on another drop of form.
We have to lose a fair few games in a row before they can catch us but they have given themselves the opportunity.
I wouldn't want to be the team that finishes 3rd though as this seasons playoffs are going to be very strong. |  |
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| Owlstalk obsession with Barnsley on 14:55 - Dec 28 with 5370 views | J2BLUE |
Odd logic about the tough fixtures considering we've all played everyone once.
The order is irrelevant. They are not 'on course' for automatic. |  |
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| Owlstalk obsession with Barnsley on 15:00 - Dec 28 with 5334 views | tractorboy1978 |
Barnsley won't make up 11 points on us, even with two games in hand. As we learnt last season, trying to overhaul those sorts of points deficits against sides that are relentlessly averaging two points per game is virtually impossible. They are going to need to pick up 53 points from their remaining 24 games to even have the remotest of sniffs.
I honestly can't see us performing worse (or certainly not much worse) over the last 23 games than we have over the first 23. Not when you take into account January reinforcements as well. We aren't a team that is suddenly going to drop off a cliff. [Post edited 28 Dec 2022 15:01]
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| Owlstalk obsession with Barnsley on 15:00 - Dec 28 with 5312 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Owlstalk obsession with Barnsley on 14:55 - Dec 28 by J2BLUE |
Odd logic about the tough fixtures considering we've all played everyone once.
The order is irrelevant. They are not 'on course' for automatic. |
They would be if they continued their form whilst those above dropped points. Think that's a fair summary. Over the past 15 games they sit 3rd in that form table.
Like wycombe. Awful start but they are on play off finishing form since their start and they have got themselves in amongst it when at one point they were sitting mid lower table.
It's all about how you wish to view forms and how far back you look etc.
Of course the current table is what actually matters.. but to be In with a shot you've got to get a run going and theyve done that.
If Barnsley match our results but beat us and win their games in hand.. they go 3 points behind us.
Again all ifs etc of course. But when you think at one point they were 15 points behind.. their form has given them a shot. | |
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| Owlstalk obsession with Barnsley on 15:06 - Dec 28 with 5250 views | J2BLUE |
| Owlstalk obsession with Barnsley on 15:00 - Dec 28 by FrimleyBlue |
They would be if they continued their form whilst those above dropped points. Think that's a fair summary. Over the past 15 games they sit 3rd in that form table.
Like wycombe. Awful start but they are on play off finishing form since their start and they have got themselves in amongst it when at one point they were sitting mid lower table.
It's all about how you wish to view forms and how far back you look etc.
Of course the current table is what actually matters.. but to be In with a shot you've got to get a run going and theyve done that.
If Barnsley match our results but beat us and win their games in hand.. they go 3 points behind us.
Again all ifs etc of course. But when you think at one point they were 15 points behind.. their form has given them a shot. |
Christ you make it hard work sometimes.
Of course if we drop points and they don't they would go above us but the two statements below are fact:
1) We both have to play everyone once more. To talk of a tough run of fixtures is irrelevant really.
2) They are not currently on course for the top 2. | |
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| Owlstalk obsession with Barnsley on 15:12 - Dec 28 with 5155 views | PJH |
| Owlstalk obsession with Barnsley on 15:06 - Dec 28 by J2BLUE |
Christ you make it hard work sometimes.
Of course if we drop points and they don't they would go above us but the two statements below are fact:
1) We both have to play everyone once more. To talk of a tough run of fixtures is irrelevant really.
2) They are not currently on course for the top 2. |
I am a bit concerned about Cambridge.
If they win their last 25 games, even if we average exactly two points a game from now on in they still finish above us. |  | | |
| Owlstalk obsession with Barnsley on 15:15 - Dec 28 with 5116 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Owlstalk obsession with Barnsley on 15:06 - Dec 28 by J2BLUE |
Christ you make it hard work sometimes.
Of course if we drop points and they don't they would go above us but the two statements below are fact:
1) We both have to play everyone once more. To talk of a tough run of fixtures is irrelevant really.
2) They are not currently on course for the top 2. |
But it's personal view points j2.
They've seen themselves move up the table with a high level of form.. whilst seeing the top 3 drop points whilst doing so. It's not surprising they are thinking the top 2 is a possibility.
Regarding fixtures. I agree with you to a point. But it may have been yourself or Joe but someone mentioned Barnsley had home games left against the top 6 whereas others have away. I think it's normal to feel at that point that others have harder games to play ( it's just a natural viewpoint that away games are harder than home) | |
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| Owlstalk obsession with Barnsley on 15:18 - Dec 28 with 5079 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Owlstalk obsession with Barnsley on 15:12 - Dec 28 by PJH |
I am a bit concerned about Cambridge.
If they win their last 25 games, even if we average exactly two points a game from now on in they still finish above us. |
Would be quite a turnaround considering they've won 6 so so far. But if your afraid then who am I to question your concerns. | |
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| Owlstalk obsession with Barnsley on 15:21 - Dec 28 with 5052 views | billlm |
They don't think much of us and plymouth |  | | |
| Owlstalk obsession with Barnsley on 15:21 - Dec 28 with 5067 views | Metal_Hacker |
Typical Sheff Weds fans - I play 5 a side with a few up here evrh Thursday , deluded and self righteous is an understatement
Bizarre breed !
Would always favour the Blades as it’s my side of town as well |  |
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| Owlstalk obsession with Barnsley on 15:22 - Dec 28 with 5039 views | SpruceMoose |
| Owlstalk obsession with Barnsley on 15:00 - Dec 28 by FrimleyBlue |
They would be if they continued their form whilst those above dropped points. Think that's a fair summary. Over the past 15 games they sit 3rd in that form table.
Like wycombe. Awful start but they are on play off finishing form since their start and they have got themselves in amongst it when at one point they were sitting mid lower table.
It's all about how you wish to view forms and how far back you look etc.
Of course the current table is what actually matters.. but to be In with a shot you've got to get a run going and theyve done that.
If Barnsley match our results but beat us and win their games in hand.. they go 3 points behind us.
Again all ifs etc of course. But when you think at one point they were 15 points behind.. their form has given them a shot. |
So, in summary, if we lose all our games and they win all of theirs then we'd be in trouble.
Searing and insightful analysis*
*This is my personal view, I'm just using the forum as intended and my opinion may change from week to week. |  |
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| Owlstalk obsession with Barnsley on 15:22 - Dec 28 with 5049 views | J2BLUE |
| Owlstalk obsession with Barnsley on 15:15 - Dec 28 by FrimleyBlue |
But it's personal view points j2.
They've seen themselves move up the table with a high level of form.. whilst seeing the top 3 drop points whilst doing so. It's not surprising they are thinking the top 2 is a possibility.
Regarding fixtures. I agree with you to a point. But it may have been yourself or Joe but someone mentioned Barnsley had home games left against the top 6 whereas others have away. I think it's normal to feel at that point that others have harder games to play ( it's just a natural viewpoint that away games are harder than home) |
We are the only side in top 3 to play both games at home. [Correction:] Plymouth have both away.
Nothing about their current position is on course.
FWIW I think it will be Town and Sheff Wed top 2, Barnsley and Plymouth in play offs. [Post edited 28 Dec 2022 15:32]
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| Owlstalk obsession with Barnsley on 15:26 - Dec 28 with 4967 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Owlstalk obsession with Barnsley on 15:22 - Dec 28 by J2BLUE |
We are the only side in top 3 to play both games at home. [Correction:] Plymouth have both away.
Nothing about their current position is on course.
FWIW I think it will be Town and Sheff Wed top 2, Barnsley and Plymouth in play offs. [Post edited 28 Dec 2022 15:32]
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I think I've misread the OP and your first reply. I thought the current position of auto was a thought of a Barnsley supporter and their run.. not that of a Wednesday fan. Apologies.
I'm still gonna go with a town top and Barnsley 2nd finish. Wed lose to Wycombe in playoff final. | |
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| Owlstalk obsession with Barnsley on 15:30 - Dec 28 with 4926 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Owlstalk obsession with Barnsley on 15:22 - Dec 28 by SpruceMoose |
So, in summary, if we lose all our games and they win all of theirs then we'd be in trouble.
Searing and insightful analysis*
*This is my personal view, I'm just using the forum as intended and my opinion may change from week to week. |
No in summary I think Barnsley are part of the pack and shouldn't be discounted yet.
Hopefully they won't trouble us which will mean we've had a great 2nd half of the season to follow the first.
But I wouldn't say the top 3 as it stands at present are fully safe as a 3 as yet.
I'm confident though with our returning players and Jan. We will have enough about us not to have to worry.. it's the likes of Wednesday if they lose bannan or plymouth if they lose cooper that imo need to worry more. | |
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| Owlstalk obsession with Barnsley on 15:33 - Dec 28 with 4845 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Owlstalk obsession with Barnsley on 15:21 - Dec 28 by Metal_Hacker |
Typical Sheff Weds fans - I play 5 a side with a few up here evrh Thursday , deluded and self righteous is an understatement
Bizarre breed !
Would always favour the Blades as it’s my side of town as well |
Strange side Wednesday.
They never seem to play well but get results. I think their fans are expecting things to suddenly click and they storm through the rest of the season... their forums are strange. Most view their manager like mick seemed with some of ours.. doing a job but deserve better.. | |
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| Owlstalk obsession with Barnsley on 15:35 - Dec 28 with 4814 views | davblue |
| Owlstalk obsession with Barnsley on 15:30 - Dec 28 by FrimleyBlue |
No in summary I think Barnsley are part of the pack and shouldn't be discounted yet.
Hopefully they won't trouble us which will mean we've had a great 2nd half of the season to follow the first.
But I wouldn't say the top 3 as it stands at present are fully safe as a 3 as yet.
I'm confident though with our returning players and Jan. We will have enough about us not to have to worry.. it's the likes of Wednesday if they lose bannan or plymouth if they lose cooper that imo need to worry more. |
I’m not convinced they’ve got enough goals in them to trouble the top 2. |  | | |
| Owlstalk obsession with Barnsley on 15:38 - Dec 28 with 4697 views | davblue |
| Owlstalk obsession with Barnsley on 14:48 - Dec 28 by FrimleyBlue |
In regards to top 3. Barnsley are a concern.
However that's only IF we go on another drop of form.
We have to lose a fair few games in a row before they can catch us but they have given themselves the opportunity.
I wouldn't want to be the team that finishes 3rd though as this seasons playoffs are going to be very strong. |
When did we have our other drop in form? | | | |
| Owlstalk obsession with Barnsley on 15:42 - Dec 28 with 4642 views | ronnyd |
Isn't it always the same that fans fear their local rivals catching up, rather than rivals that are based at the other ends of the country, (sort of). Bit like some on here who obsess about that lot up the road when, at the moment, we are not rivals for league positions. | | | |
| Owlstalk obsession with Barnsley on 15:43 - Dec 28 with 4610 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Owlstalk obsession with Barnsley on 15:38 - Dec 28 by davblue |
When did we have our other drop in form? |
Just meant the draws we had and dropped points.
Nothing major and didn't lead into anything drastic. But those little blips let some points slide. If that was our season blip then fab it means the rest of season will be fun. | |
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| Owlstalk obsession with Barnsley on 15:56 - Dec 28 with 4459 views | Pinewoodblue |
Suspect Bolton will be in the mix especially if they do well in January when they play Barnsley, Plymouth, Portsmouth & Derby. |  |
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| Owlstalk obsession with Barnsley on 16:37 - Dec 28 with 4158 views | Dubtractor |
2 things.
1) I'm assuming that I'm not the only one who reads that forum name as 'Owl Stalk' whenever I see it?
2) Outside of the top 3, no one has yet shown they have the consistency to close the gap. Barnsley have just had a little run, but before that had only 4 points from a possible 15, and they don't score very many. Bolton have been pretty inconsistent all season, and again don't score very many. Derby get lots of draws and another team who don't score enough. Wycombe's form in the last few months is decent, but 13 points is a hell of a big gap to overturn.
I've been saying it for a few months, but I'm pretty certain the top 2 will end up as 2 of the current top 3. |  |
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| Owlstalk obsession with Barnsley on 16:54 - Dec 28 with 3992 views | Metal_Hacker |
| Owlstalk obsession with Barnsley on 15:33 - Dec 28 by FrimleyBlue |
Strange side Wednesday.
They never seem to play well but get results. I think their fans are expecting things to suddenly click and they storm through the rest of the season... their forums are strange. Most view their manager like mick seemed with some of ours.. doing a job but deserve better.. |
Just weird people innit | |
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| Owlstalk obsession with Barnsley on 17:14 - Dec 28 with 3836 views | Steve_M |
| Owlstalk obsession with Barnsley on 16:37 - Dec 28 by Dubtractor |
2 things.
1) I'm assuming that I'm not the only one who reads that forum name as 'Owl Stalk' whenever I see it?
2) Outside of the top 3, no one has yet shown they have the consistency to close the gap. Barnsley have just had a little run, but before that had only 4 points from a possible 15, and they don't score very many. Bolton have been pretty inconsistent all season, and again don't score very many. Derby get lots of draws and another team who don't score enough. Wycombe's form in the last few months is decent, but 13 points is a hell of a big gap to overturn.
I've been saying it for a few months, but I'm pretty certain the top 2 will end up as 2 of the current top 3. |
Indeed. It's weird to look at three teams - impressively - averaging two points a game over half a season and not to think that automatic promotion is likely to be between two of those three. |  |
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| Owlstalk obsession with Barnsley on 17:19 - Dec 28 with 3805 views | Illinoisblue |
| Owlstalk obsession with Barnsley on 15:00 - Dec 28 by tractorboy1978 |
Barnsley won't make up 11 points on us, even with two games in hand. As we learnt last season, trying to overhaul those sorts of points deficits against sides that are relentlessly averaging two points per game is virtually impossible. They are going to need to pick up 53 points from their remaining 24 games to even have the remotest of sniffs.
I honestly can't see us performing worse (or certainly not much worse) over the last 23 games than we have over the first 23. Not when you take into account January reinforcements as well. We aren't a team that is suddenly going to drop off a cliff. [Post edited 28 Dec 2022 15:01]
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If they do, good luck to them but as you say, us last season is a great example of a team putting together great form over 20 odd games and we couldn’t even crack the top six. We seemed to be stuck in 9th for ever no matter how well we played. |  |
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| Owlstalk obsession with Barnsley on 17:22 - Dec 28 with 3784 views | Hipsterectomy |
i've had a look a few times and they seem to have genuine confusion as to why we're doing better than them re: squad vs squad
I don't think there's many sheff wed players we would have in our team and Bakinson was a player our coaches felt wasn't good enough who seems to play most games |  |
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