| EADT article today on Attacking Midfielders' 08:43 - Jan 6 with 4180 views | Nutkins_Return |
Talking about AMs we can sign including Broadhead, Whittaker etc.
Just found that a bit odd. Does anyone else consider these guys Attacking Midfielders? Or that role in behind that Chaplin/Harness play. Just 'Forwards' surely.
Excuse my probable 'pedantry' I was just interested if just me that wouldn't remotely consider that role/those players as Midfielders. [Post edited 6 Jan 2023 8:44]
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| EADT article today on Attacking Midfielders' on 09:00 - Jan 6 with 3738 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
They are forwards but I never cease to be amazed by the number of people who only consider 'a forward' as someone in the number 9 position. |  |
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| EADT article today on Attacking Midfielders' on 09:12 - Jan 6 with 3634 views | Wallingford_Boy |
Doesn’t the article itself stress that it’s a grey area calling players like Broadhurst a midfielder or a forward.
It’s all fairly old fashioned terminology now anyway, most coaches just use numbers “he’s in the 4”, “play with 2 x10s”, etc. |  |
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| EADT article today on Attacking Midfielders' on 10:04 - Jan 6 with 3437 views | Guthrum |
| EADT article today on Attacking Midfielders' on 09:12 - Jan 6 by Wallingford_Boy |
Doesn’t the article itself stress that it’s a grey area calling players like Broadhurst a midfielder or a forward.
It’s all fairly old fashioned terminology now anyway, most coaches just use numbers “he’s in the 4”, “play with 2 x10s”, etc. |
For me, the whole formation terminology needs an overhaul.
The old "ranks" system (e.g. 4-4-2, 3-5-2) doesn't work with wing-backs (and some wide centre-backs) who play the entire length of the touchline. Other centre-backs make runs well beyond "midfield". Players swap sides of the pitch. Forwards drop deeper than their supposedly supporting players. Anybody can shoot.
Cook demonstrated the problems that holding to rigid, traditional formations can cause. |  |
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| EADT article today on Attacking Midfielders' on 10:05 - Jan 6 with 3428 views | Nutkins_Return |
| EADT article today on Attacking Midfielders' on 09:12 - Jan 6 by Wallingford_Boy |
Doesn’t the article itself stress that it’s a grey area calling players like Broadhurst a midfielder or a forward.
It’s all fairly old fashioned terminology now anyway, most coaches just use numbers “he’s in the 4”, “play with 2 x10s”, etc. |
No it said he was on their striker list as well but can play attacking mid.
However (and I'm 100% taking the credit) they have now amended the article to read Attacking Midfielders/Forwards. 1-0 me. (I'm joking) | |
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| EADT article today on Attacking Midfielders' on 10:06 - Jan 6 with 3414 views | Nutkins_Return |
| EADT article today on Attacking Midfielders' on 09:00 - Jan 6 by Cheltenham_Blue |
They are forwards but I never cease to be amazed by the number of people who only consider 'a forward' as someone in the number 9 position. |
Agree. But yes I think it only really changed 10 years or so back when everyone stopped playing 2 up top. Forward became more the two either side + number 10 (which has evolved a bit itself) | |
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| EADT article today on Attacking Midfielders' on 10:13 - Jan 6 with 3386 views | PhilTWTD |
| EADT article today on Attacking Midfielders' on 10:04 - Jan 6 by Guthrum |
For me, the whole formation terminology needs an overhaul.
The old "ranks" system (e.g. 4-4-2, 3-5-2) doesn't work with wing-backs (and some wide centre-backs) who play the entire length of the touchline. Other centre-backs make runs well beyond "midfield". Players swap sides of the pitch. Forwards drop deeper than their supposedly supporting players. Anybody can shoot.
Cook demonstrated the problems that holding to rigid, traditional formations can cause. |
We need to find a name for JD's right-back/right centre-back role. I have heard some of the other terms come back, someone was referred to as an inside forward recently, I forget who and who by, but that does fit with the way we use our number 10s. |  | | |
| EADT article today on Attacking Midfielders' on 10:27 - Jan 6 with 3258 views | Guthrum |
| EADT article today on Attacking Midfielders' on 10:13 - Jan 6 by PhilTWTD |
We need to find a name for JD's right-back/right centre-back role. I have heard some of the other terms come back, someone was referred to as an inside forward recently, I forget who and who by, but that does fit with the way we use our number 10s. |
Centre-Wing-Back? Wing-Centre-Back? Flying CB?
I've been using inside forward for a while now to refer to our wider front players. Have seen others doing it, too. Feels more accurate for their role and positioning on the pitch.
Strictly they shouldn't be "two number 10s", but the 8 and the 10, on either side of the 9. Traditional numbering is another system which is struggling to cope with the way the modern game is played.
With Donacien a long way forward and Davies/Burns right up top, we are almost running an old-style 2-3-5 a lot of the time. | |
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| EADT article today on Attacking Midfielders' on 10:30 - Jan 6 with 3248 views | Nutkins_Return |
| EADT article today on Attacking Midfielders' on 10:13 - Jan 6 by PhilTWTD |
We need to find a name for JD's right-back/right centre-back role. I have heard some of the other terms come back, someone was referred to as an inside forward recently, I forget who and who by, but that does fit with the way we use our number 10s. |
False CB? | |
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| EADT article today on Attacking Midfielders' on 10:32 - Jan 6 with 3225 views | PhilTWTD |
| EADT article today on Attacking Midfielders' on 10:30 - Jan 6 by Nutkins_Return |
False CB? |
That's very good! | | | |
| EADT article today on Attacking Midfielders' on 10:35 - Jan 6 with 3187 views | PhilTWTD |
| EADT article today on Attacking Midfielders' on 10:27 - Jan 6 by Guthrum |
Centre-Wing-Back? Wing-Centre-Back? Flying CB?
I've been using inside forward for a while now to refer to our wider front players. Have seen others doing it, too. Feels more accurate for their role and positioning on the pitch.
Strictly they shouldn't be "two number 10s", but the 8 and the 10, on either side of the 9. Traditional numbering is another system which is struggling to cope with the way the modern game is played.
With Donacien a long way forward and Davies/Burns right up top, we are almost running an old-style 2-3-5 a lot of the time. |
I think I read something recently which made the same point about the old formation effectively having made a comeback. I know what you mean re two number 10s, but eight refers to a slightly different deeper role. The you've got four and six referring to midfield positions when at least one of those has to be a centre-half. | | | |
| EADT article today on Attacking Midfielders' on 10:38 - Jan 6 with 3158 views | itfcjoe |
| EADT article today on Attacking Midfielders' on 10:13 - Jan 6 by PhilTWTD |
We need to find a name for JD's right-back/right centre-back role. I have heard some of the other terms come back, someone was referred to as an inside forward recently, I forget who and who by, but that does fit with the way we use our number 10s. |
I guess the term 'hybrid' needs to be in there.
In Football Manager parlance his role would either be noted as a wide centre back or an inverted full back.
Wide centre back
The main job of this role is to stop the opposing attackers from playing and to clear the ball from danger when required. However, unlike standard central defenders - the Wide Centre-Back is encouraged to stay wide in position and support the midfield more like a full back.
Inverted wing back
An Inverted Wing Back will line up as a standard wide defender, but they will move in field when in possession rather than stick wide to either create space or be an extra passing option. If teammates are not ahead of this player, they will push forward more and be supportive in the middle of the pitch. |  |
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| EADT article today on Attacking Midfielders' on 10:38 - Jan 6 with 3145 views | hype313 |
| EADT article today on Attacking Midfielders' on 10:13 - Jan 6 by PhilTWTD |
We need to find a name for JD's right-back/right centre-back role. I have heard some of the other terms come back, someone was referred to as an inside forward recently, I forget who and who by, but that does fit with the way we use our number 10s. |
Inside right? Although that always to me seemed to be more an attacking position. |  |
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| EADT article today on Attacking Midfielders' on 10:50 - Jan 6 with 3067 views | Mookamoo |
| EADT article today on Attacking Midfielders' on 10:13 - Jan 6 by PhilTWTD |
We need to find a name for JD's right-back/right centre-back role. I have heard some of the other terms come back, someone was referred to as an inside forward recently, I forget who and who by, but that does fit with the way we use our number 10s. |
Is he not defining his own position?
In years to come it will be known as playing a Donacien |  | | |
| EADT article today on Attacking Midfielders' on 10:52 - Jan 6 with 3054 views | Darth_Koont |
| EADT article today on Attacking Midfielders' on 10:30 - Jan 6 by Nutkins_Return |
False CB? |
I’ll buy that.
Although arguably that also applies to Woolfenden too who becomes more of a sweeper when JD drops into his deeper and a little more inside CB position. |  |
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| EADT article today on Attacking Midfielders' on 10:54 - Jan 6 with 3010 views | PhilTWTD |
| EADT article today on Attacking Midfielders' on 10:50 - Jan 6 by Mookamoo |
Is he not defining his own position?
In years to come it will be known as playing a Donacien |
As in the Makelele role? Good call. | | | |
| EADT article today on Attacking Midfielders' on 10:56 - Jan 6 with 2975 views | PhilTWTD |
| EADT article today on Attacking Midfielders' on 10:38 - Jan 6 by itfcjoe |
I guess the term 'hybrid' needs to be in there.
In Football Manager parlance his role would either be noted as a wide centre back or an inverted full back.
Wide centre back
The main job of this role is to stop the opposing attackers from playing and to clear the ball from danger when required. However, unlike standard central defenders - the Wide Centre-Back is encouraged to stay wide in position and support the midfield more like a full back.
Inverted wing back
An Inverted Wing Back will line up as a standard wide defender, but they will move in field when in possession rather than stick wide to either create space or be an extra passing option. If teammates are not ahead of this player, they will push forward more and be supportive in the middle of the pitch. |
Hybrid definitely needs adding. That wide centre-back definition is not far off, even if I think JD is a bit more central than that as a starting position. | | | |
| EADT article today on Attacking Midfielders' on 11:00 - Jan 6 with 2948 views | Darth_Koont |
| EADT article today on Attacking Midfielders' on 10:54 - Jan 6 by PhilTWTD |
As in the Makelele role? Good call. |
I can hear it now.
“OK, team for today ... Dibs between the sticks. Then we’ve got Tommo and Stan at CB with Wilko at JD.” | |
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| EADT article today on Attacking Midfielders' on 11:02 - Jan 6 with 2932 views | Nutkins_Return |
| EADT article today on Attacking Midfielders' on 10:32 - Jan 6 by PhilTWTD |
That's very good! |
I think actually if we really want to sell this we need to go with the 'Snappy' False 4. :) | |
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| EADT article today on Attacking Midfielders' on 11:11 - Jan 6 with 2847 views | catch74 |
| EADT article today on Attacking Midfielders' on 10:32 - Jan 6 by PhilTWTD |
That's very good! |
Tennessee Rush (cocktail with JD in.) |  |
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| EADT article today on Attacking Midfielders' on 11:44 - Jan 6 with 2688 views | bluejacko |
Only one formation really,
GK
LB,RB
LCB,CB,RCB
LW,LIF,CF,RIF RW
SortedðŸ‘😄 | | | |
| EADT article today on Attacking Midfielders' on 13:37 - Jan 6 with 2469 views | Pinewoodblue |
| EADT article today on Attacking Midfielders' on 11:44 - Jan 6 by bluejacko |
Only one formation really,
GK
LB,RB
LCB,CB,RCB
LW,LIF,CF,RIF RW
SortedðŸ‘😄 |
Think you have your left & right round the wrong way. |  |
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| EADT article today on Attacking Midfielders' on 15:13 - Jan 6 with 2312 views | Nutkins_Return |
| EADT article today on Attacking Midfielders' on 13:37 - Jan 6 by Pinewoodblue |
Think you have your left & right round the wrong way. |
...neh, he's just an innovator! [Post edited 6 Jan 2023 15:13]
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| EADT article today on Attacking Midfielders' on 16:48 - Jan 6 with 2189 views | monty_radio |
| EADT article today on Attacking Midfielders' on 10:30 - Jan 6 by Nutkins_Return |
False CB? |
I like it - except that "false 9" seems often to fit a forward player who never ends up scoring. | |
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| EADT article today on Attacking Midfielders' on 17:17 - Jan 6 with 2128 views | Nutkins_Return |
| EADT article today on Attacking Midfielders' on 16:48 - Jan 6 by monty_radio |
I like it - except that "false 9" seems often to fit a forward player who never ends up scoring. |
Exactly. The false 4 also never looks like scoring.
...also doesn't look like conceding...but does...sometimes. | |
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