| Really frustrating again 11:11 - Jan 15 with 6370 views | itfcjoe |
If we fell into a barrel of tits we’d come out sucking our own thumb.
After Burns scored it took Plymouth a full 30 minutes to even muster a single a shot, and then it flies into the top corner.
There will be big post mortems I’m sure, but what more can you do? |  |
| |  |
| Really frustrating again on 11:16 - Jan 15 with 4032 views | pointofblue |
Not make a mess of something hideously simple. Humphreys on when he was previously out-muscled resulting in a goal, sticking him on the left of midfield and moving our most combative midfielder to an attacking role? Bringing KVY on at 1-0 but then seemingly setting up when defending as a 5-2-3 (couldn’t believe that shape from a goal kick) meaning we were over-run in midfield. Not having Aluko on the bench who is excellent at hold up play and protecting the ball.
McKenna has done a lot right with us since joining. But, for me, yesterday was all on him. |  |
| |
| Really frustrating again on 11:18 - Jan 15 with 4018 views | ArchiRob |
I can't believe the low shot on target to goals ratio against us portsmouth 2 shots on target 2 goals Lincoln 1 shot on target and 1 goal even Charlton 5 shots on target 4 goals so given how many shots plymouth had maybe our luck is changing hope so |  |
| |
| Really frustrating again on 11:20 - Jan 15 with 4007 views | cbower |
That's the thing though. How many times have we conceded late on without Walton having made a significant save for huge chunks of the game. I know he made a decent save fron Ennis early doors and Hardie should have scored but it seems all season that he has had little to do other than pick the ball out of the net. I am not criticising Walton, he had no chance with the goal, rather like Fleetwood, Pack for Pompey etc but it seems everything that could go in, is going in this season. |  |
| |
| Really frustrating again on 11:20 - Jan 15 with 3994 views | pointofblue |
| Really frustrating again on 11:18 - Jan 15 by ArchiRob |
I can't believe the low shot on target to goals ratio against us portsmouth 2 shots on target 2 goals Lincoln 1 shot on target and 1 goal even Charlton 5 shots on target 4 goals so given how many shots plymouth had maybe our luck is changing hope so |
I honestly can’t remember either side having five shots on target! | |
| |
| Really frustrating again on 11:21 - Jan 15 with 3989 views | itfcjoe |
| Really frustrating again on 11:16 - Jan 15 by pointofblue |
Not make a mess of something hideously simple. Humphreys on when he was previously out-muscled resulting in a goal, sticking him on the left of midfield and moving our most combative midfielder to an attacking role? Bringing KVY on at 1-0 but then seemingly setting up when defending as a 5-2-3 (couldn’t believe that shape from a goal kick) meaning we were over-run in midfield. Not having Aluko on the bench who is excellent at hold up play and protecting the ball.
McKenna has done a lot right with us since joining. But, for me, yesterday was all on him. |
But again, Humphreys came on in the 67th minute and it took them a further 26 minutes to even have a single shot - so why is that wrong? We didn’t give control of the game up, we didn’t look like conceding or come under any sustained pressure.
Burns was basically playing as a FB by that stage of the game as it was | |
| |
| Really frustrating again on 11:23 - Jan 15 with 3936 views | FrimleyBlue |
Fairly easy you'd have thought.
Have experienced cover on the bench... luongo. Aluko.
Don't stick morsy inside forward. Wtf
Don't take off ladapo when he's holding the line really well and was a great outlet.
Don't introduce kvy in an attacking area that's under no pressure when you had an attacking outlet available on the bench to use giving us an option on the right and ability to continue the high press ourselves, but the change ended up with kvy sitting deeper. And invited pressure on.
Don't ask your 19 year old midfielder to partner an inexperienced lb in covering plymouths most dangerous area of the pitch which then resulted in a goal.
Quite a bit more coupe have been done imo Joe. |  |
| |
| Really frustrating again on 11:23 - Jan 15 with 3956 views | ArchiRob |
| Really frustrating again on 11:20 - Jan 15 by pointofblue |
I honestly can’t remember either side having five shots on target! |
According to BBC 5 shots on target from both | |
| |
| Really frustrating again on 11:28 - Jan 15 with 3869 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Really frustrating again on 11:21 - Jan 15 by itfcjoe |
But again, Humphreys came on in the 67th minute and it took them a further 26 minutes to even have a single shot - so why is that wrong? We didn’t give control of the game up, we didn’t look like conceding or come under any sustained pressure.
Burns was basically playing as a FB by that stage of the game as it was |
Problem for me Joe. Is whilst we didn't look like conceding... we didn't look like scoring again. And that was a problem with our recent record of conceding late goals.
Gradually we got deeper and deeper and plymouth slowly started to get more players on the ball.
What really annoyed me tho was on 97th minute. We had a throw in just outside their box. Not 1 town player moved for donacien. | |
| |
Login to get fewer ads
| Really frustrating again on 11:33 - Jan 15 with 3870 views | itfcjoe |
| Really frustrating again on 11:23 - Jan 15 by FrimleyBlue |
Fairly easy you'd have thought.
Have experienced cover on the bench... luongo. Aluko.
Don't stick morsy inside forward. Wtf
Don't take off ladapo when he's holding the line really well and was a great outlet.
Don't introduce kvy in an attacking area that's under no pressure when you had an attacking outlet available on the bench to use giving us an option on the right and ability to continue the high press ourselves, but the change ended up with kvy sitting deeper. And invited pressure on.
Don't ask your 19 year old midfielder to partner an inexperienced lb in covering plymouths most dangerous area of the pitch which then resulted in a goal.
Quite a bit more coupe have been done imo Joe. |
Would any of those things denied Plymouth a single shot in the final 36 minutes of game time though? Because what we did do restricted them to just 1 | |
| |
| Really frustrating again on 11:38 - Jan 15 with 3820 views | pointofblue |
| Really frustrating again on 11:21 - Jan 15 by itfcjoe |
But again, Humphreys came on in the 67th minute and it took them a further 26 minutes to even have a single shot - so why is that wrong? We didn’t give control of the game up, we didn’t look like conceding or come under any sustained pressure.
Burns was basically playing as a FB by that stage of the game as it was |
But the risk is always there. That was shown against Wycombe when he was easily out-muscled resulting in a goal, and similar happened here. Saying that, I wasn’t necessarily against Humphreys coming on but not for it to result in Morsy moving into an attacking position on the left. Either switch to a flat three in the middle or play Humphreys on the left. Or even replace Harness with Edwards or Jackson to pin them back. We conceded possession and attacking guile to try and hold a lead, and it came back to bite us. | |
| |
| Really frustrating again on 11:41 - Jan 15 with 3774 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Really frustrating again on 11:33 - Jan 15 by itfcjoe |
Would any of those things denied Plymouth a single shot in the final 36 minutes of game time though? Because what we did do restricted them to just 1 |
Possibly not.
But we may have actually gone and scored a 2nd goal by that point though.
You'll get freak. Fluke goals in games. We seem to get a lot of them. But my issue again is how little games we go into the final 5 minutes of a game with a 2 goal cushion. | |
| |
| Really frustrating again on 11:43 - Jan 15 with 3770 views | itfcjoe |
| Really frustrating again on 11:38 - Jan 15 by pointofblue |
But the risk is always there. That was shown against Wycombe when he was easily out-muscled resulting in a goal, and similar happened here. Saying that, I wasn’t necessarily against Humphreys coming on but not for it to result in Morsy moving into an attacking position on the left. Either switch to a flat three in the middle or play Humphreys on the left. Or even replace Harness with Edwards or Jackson to pin them back. We conceded possession and attacking guile to try and hold a lead, and it came back to bite us. |
But every decision you do and don’t make comes with a risk, we can’t just consign Humphreys to the scrap heap because he was outmuscled once a month ago (not that you are suggesting that) | |
| |
| Really frustrating again on 11:45 - Jan 15 with 3734 views | pointofblue |
| Really frustrating again on 11:23 - Jan 15 by ArchiRob |
According to BBC 5 shots on target from both |
I know. That’s what I mean; I can’t recall that many for either side. | |
| |
| Really frustrating again on 11:46 - Jan 15 with 3721 views | pointofblue |
| Really frustrating again on 11:43 - Jan 15 by itfcjoe |
But every decision you do and don’t make comes with a risk, we can’t just consign Humphreys to the scrap heap because he was outmuscled once a month ago (not that you are suggesting that) |
No, I completely agree. I wasn’t against Humphreys coming on yesterday - just the tactical decisions which went with it. | |
| |
| Really frustrating again on 11:48 - Jan 15 with 3672 views | chicoazul |
In that case we’re just really unlucky? |  |
| |
| Really frustrating again on 11:51 - Jan 15 with 3669 views | Illinoisblue |
In isolation a draw was the fair result. We both hit the bar, both scored great goals. And mostly it was two good L1 teams canceling each other out. The bigger issue is when does this blip turn into a crisis? Tricky game for us at Oxford next week while argyle and Weds have winnable home games. We’ve managed to dig ourselves into a bit of hole and it’s only January. Can we fill the hole in, or does it get bigger? |  |
| |
| Really frustrating again on 12:04 - Jan 15 with 3576 views | strikalite |
The truth is being only one goal up in the game today(five subs with fresh legs) and with all this added injury time it's never enough, I was expecting the goal to come, especially when the board went up for nine minutes..
But it is a pattern with us, going back to the Charlton 4-4 can't highlight our frailties enough.. |  | | |
| Really frustrating again on 12:08 - Jan 15 with 3553 views | bluefunk |
| Really frustrating again on 11:51 - Jan 15 by Illinoisblue |
In isolation a draw was the fair result. We both hit the bar, both scored great goals. And mostly it was two good L1 teams canceling each other out. The bigger issue is when does this blip turn into a crisis? Tricky game for us at Oxford next week while argyle and Weds have winnable home games. We’ve managed to dig ourselves into a bit of hole and it’s only January. Can we fill the hole in, or does it get bigger? |
Crisis?. We’re third with 60 points to play for, two new strikers signed, a home game coming up against the team in second…..I get that we’ve had 20 years of frustration but reallt? |  | | |
| Really frustrating again on 12:15 - Jan 15 with 3503 views | NthQldITFC |
| Really frustrating again on 11:16 - Jan 15 by pointofblue |
Not make a mess of something hideously simple. Humphreys on when he was previously out-muscled resulting in a goal, sticking him on the left of midfield and moving our most combative midfielder to an attacking role? Bringing KVY on at 1-0 but then seemingly setting up when defending as a 5-2-3 (couldn’t believe that shape from a goal kick) meaning we were over-run in midfield. Not having Aluko on the bench who is excellent at hold up play and protecting the ball.
McKenna has done a lot right with us since joining. But, for me, yesterday was all on him. |
The point is that we are seriously not getting the rub of the green, which is not the whole picture, but it does mitigate and it should be taken into account by fans before they throw a paddy.
It will even itself out. |  |
| |
| Really frustrating again on 12:21 - Jan 15 with 3458 views | pointofblue |
| Really frustrating again on 12:08 - Jan 15 by bluefunk |
Crisis?. We’re third with 60 points to play for, two new strikers signed, a home game coming up against the team in second…..I get that we’ve had 20 years of frustration but reallt? |
It’s all if’s and but’s but, pessimistically, we draw at Oxford, which in isolation isn’t a dreadful result. Argyle and Wednesday both win. The gap is now nine and six points respectively. That will raise tension ahead of the Morecambe game, where the crowd will be very edgy to any minor error, whether fairly or not. We should win it; the gap to Plymouth will close to six. Wednesday travel to Cheltenham on the same day - again, win expected so gap is maintained.
They key is the following week. Like Wednesday did yesterday, we have to take advantage of the top two playing each other on 4th February by beating Cambridge. No result is a bad one, really - as long as we win, either both or one will be pulled back towards us. Then the big one on 11th February.
The issue is we have left ourselves little breathing space to drop more points. Seven from nine out of the next three is really the minimum requirement. | |
| |
| Really frustrating again on 12:23 - Jan 15 with 3437 views | itfcjoe |
| Really frustrating again on 11:48 - Jan 15 by chicoazul |
In that case we’re just really unlucky? |
We’ve certainly not been a lucky team this year, bar Burton away, I can’t think of a single game where we’ve nicked even a single point we didn’t deserve let alone 3 | |
| |
| Really frustrating again on 12:27 - Jan 15 with 3342 views | LankHenners |
| Really frustrating again on 11:16 - Jan 15 by pointofblue |
Not make a mess of something hideously simple. Humphreys on when he was previously out-muscled resulting in a goal, sticking him on the left of midfield and moving our most combative midfielder to an attacking role? Bringing KVY on at 1-0 but then seemingly setting up when defending as a 5-2-3 (couldn’t believe that shape from a goal kick) meaning we were over-run in midfield. Not having Aluko on the bench who is excellent at hold up play and protecting the ball.
McKenna has done a lot right with us since joining. But, for me, yesterday was all on him. |
A lot of people have mentioned the subs but for me that's just succumbing to outcome bias. As OP says that type of opportunity wasn't on for them since we scored and we were doing fine as we were. If there's one thing to point at which affected the game it's the lengthy stoppage which killed our momentum and gave a different mental edge to the end of the game having 9 minutes added on rather than the 4 or 5 max it would have been.
Our issue is we've had a few occasions where we've not managed 'moments' well enough as was pointed out yesterday on here. We got caught a bit deep while they were throwing everyone forward as they had nothing to lose by doing so and cracked one in the top corner. Should have been firmer in challenging Mumba as he was jinking through but he was just inside the box and had already won several very soft free kicks by chucking himself to the floor so we probably were wary of conceding a pen.
Very very easy in hindsight to say this and that should/shouldn't have happened, especially as there's no guarantee that if McKenna had done what all the experts on here and social media said he should have done the outcome would have been different. |  |
| |
| Really frustrating again on 12:27 - Jan 15 with 3337 views | tractorboy1978 |
| Really frustrating again on 12:21 - Jan 15 by pointofblue |
It’s all if’s and but’s but, pessimistically, we draw at Oxford, which in isolation isn’t a dreadful result. Argyle and Wednesday both win. The gap is now nine and six points respectively. That will raise tension ahead of the Morecambe game, where the crowd will be very edgy to any minor error, whether fairly or not. We should win it; the gap to Plymouth will close to six. Wednesday travel to Cheltenham on the same day - again, win expected so gap is maintained.
They key is the following week. Like Wednesday did yesterday, we have to take advantage of the top two playing each other on 4th February by beating Cambridge. No result is a bad one, really - as long as we win, either both or one will be pulled back towards us. Then the big one on 11th February.
The issue is we have left ourselves little breathing space to drop more points. Seven from nine out of the next three is really the minimum requirement. |
Why don't you take it game by game and see what happens rather than catastrophising? In the next 20 games, we need two better results than Sheff Wed (who we still have to play) OR win our game in hand and we need two better results than Plymouth. One thing I can guarantee is that all 3 teams will drop points between now and the end of the season and probably against teams you don't expect them to.
The way some fannies are going off on here/were going off in the ground yesterday you'd think our season was mathematically dead and buried. | | | |
| Really frustrating again on 12:30 - Jan 15 with 3291 views | Illinoisblue |
| Really frustrating again on 12:08 - Jan 15 by bluefunk |
Crisis?. We’re third with 60 points to play for, two new strikers signed, a home game coming up against the team in second…..I get that we’ve had 20 years of frustration but reallt? |
It will be a relative crisis in the context of the massive investment into the squad and the other significant investment in the infrastructure. The pension fund won’t want to hear about a plucky playoff defeat or the nice football we play. | |
| |
| Really frustrating again on 12:37 - Jan 15 with 3200 views | clive_baker |
We can’t really bemoan bad luck if we’re not looking at good luck too. They had a golden chance to go 1-0 up and hit the bar. The fact is, for me, we didn’t create enough. I can barely remember their keeper making a meaningful save and we created 2 clear cut chances all game, 1 being Burns goal where he still had a lot to do, and the other Harness where he hit the bar. I think on balance we didn’t do enough to win the game and they certainly deserved a point.
They’re a good side, and it’s no disgrace to draw against a well organised Plymouth who matched us up very effectively. I think we’re kidding ourselves if we are putting those 2 points dropped down to luck though. |  |
| |
| |
By continuing to use the site, you agree to our use of cookies and to abide by our Terms and Conditions.
