| So if the Scots ever get independence 10:11 - Mar 13 with 2688 views | bluelagos |
Do you think a DNA result of jockness would qualify you for an EU passport or would you have to move there too?
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| So if the Scots ever get independence on 10:15 - Mar 13 with 1765 views | GlasgowBlue |
The way the leadership election is going and the lack of a single decent candidate, has probably put independence to bed in my lifetime. |  |
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| So if the Scots ever get independence on 10:23 - Mar 13 with 1746 views | bluelagos |
| So if the Scots ever get independence on 10:15 - Mar 13 by GlasgowBlue |
The way the leadership election is going and the lack of a single decent candidate, has probably put independence to bed in my lifetime. |
Time for Nichola to rethink her plans,.come back and deliver independence? | |
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| So if the Scots ever get independence on 10:26 - Mar 13 with 1732 views | leitrimblue |
Don't think DNA results have any bearing on passports/citizenship etc at the moment.
I looked into it a while back trying to save around a grand applying for a Irish passport. In the case of Ireland, think if you were born in UK for example to Irish parents then those parents would have had to register you as Irish. Before your 18th birthday I believe, but I could be wrong.
Otherwise you pay the full fee |  | | |
| So if the Scots ever get independence on 10:32 - Mar 13 with 1694 views | MattinLondon |
Polls have continued to show Scotland not being in favour of full-on independence. If a large majority of the Scottish population aren’t in favour of it now then I doubt whether they’ll vote in favour of it anytime soon.
I do think that the SNP are far too blinkered on this issue - after the lunacy of Brexit, the SNP seemed far too keen to press the nuclear button and demand a new referendum far too soon. They should have been more clever and subtle. Keep making comments about the Tories, Brexit by all means but add in snippets that there’s only so much a devolved government can do. Make the 55% ask questions about their decision to stay in the union rather than get into a fight with them unnecessarily.
Maybe pragmatism is more useful in the short term with the aim of more devolved powers? Long term still being full-on independence. |  | | |
| So if the Scots ever get independence on 10:34 - Mar 13 with 1686 views | bluelagos |
| So if the Scots ever get independence on 10:26 - Mar 13 by leitrimblue |
Don't think DNA results have any bearing on passports/citizenship etc at the moment.
I looked into it a while back trying to save around a grand applying for a Irish passport. In the case of Ireland, think if you were born in UK for example to Irish parents then those parents would have had to register you as Irish. Before your 18th birthday I believe, but I could be wrong.
Otherwise you pay the full fee |
So as an ex (retired) accountant I sometimes get asked to counter sign passport applications (photos)
Last month,.for the first time ever, I was contacted to confirm I had genuinely signed a form - it was for a mate who was applying for Irish passport on the back of his grandmother coming from Northern Ireland.
His kids won't be able to get a green passport though. | |
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| So if the Scots ever get independence on 10:34 - Mar 13 with 1685 views | DJR |
| So if the Scots ever get independence on 10:26 - Mar 13 by leitrimblue |
Don't think DNA results have any bearing on passports/citizenship etc at the moment.
I looked into it a while back trying to save around a grand applying for a Irish passport. In the case of Ireland, think if you were born in UK for example to Irish parents then those parents would have had to register you as Irish. Before your 18th birthday I believe, but I could be wrong.
Otherwise you pay the full fee |
For an Irish passport, I think it's a parent or grandparent born in the island of Ireland before a fairly recent date, when the rules changed. And I am not aware of the need to register a child or grandchild but maybe that is something that has been brought in to avoid the difficulty of proof many years down the line.
I imagine it would be the same for Scotland, and there will also be rules for people living there who were not born there.
I also imagine there would be something equivalent to the Common Travel Area. [Post edited 13 Mar 2023 10:38]
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| So if the Scots ever get independence on 10:40 - Mar 13 with 1653 views | leitrimblue |
| So if the Scots ever get independence on 10:34 - Mar 13 by bluelagos |
So as an ex (retired) accountant I sometimes get asked to counter sign passport applications (photos)
Last month,.for the first time ever, I was contacted to confirm I had genuinely signed a form - it was for a mate who was applying for Irish passport on the back of his grandmother coming from Northern Ireland.
His kids won't be able to get a green passport though. |
Think his kids would have to go live in Ireland for minimum
of years and then pay the roughly €1000 fee | | | |
| So if the Scots ever get independence on 10:42 - Mar 13 with 1642 views | DJR |
| So if the Scots ever get independence on 10:32 - Mar 13 by MattinLondon |
Polls have continued to show Scotland not being in favour of full-on independence. If a large majority of the Scottish population aren’t in favour of it now then I doubt whether they’ll vote in favour of it anytime soon.
I do think that the SNP are far too blinkered on this issue - after the lunacy of Brexit, the SNP seemed far too keen to press the nuclear button and demand a new referendum far too soon. They should have been more clever and subtle. Keep making comments about the Tories, Brexit by all means but add in snippets that there’s only so much a devolved government can do. Make the 55% ask questions about their decision to stay in the union rather than get into a fight with them unnecessarily.
Maybe pragmatism is more useful in the short term with the aim of more devolved powers? Long term still being full-on independence. |
As someone who supports Scottish independence, I think you are spot on, particularly given the generational differences in support for independence, with older people like my mother being much more in favour of the Union because of shared experiences like the war and the coronation.
Another factor that has to be borne in mind is that there is a sizeable proportion of the Scottish population who were not born there.
EDIT: the problem the SNP has (leaving aside any recent difficulties) is that it has a membership which is very impatient. [Post edited 13 Mar 2023 11:13]
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| So if the Scots ever get independence on 10:42 - Mar 13 with 1641 views | Keno |
| So if the Scots ever get independence on 10:40 - Mar 13 by leitrimblue |
Think his kids would have to go live in Ireland for minimum
of years and then pay the roughly €1000 fee |
some of use where lucky enough to have been born over in God's own country for which we are very truly grateful |  |
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| So if the Scots ever get independence on 10:43 - Mar 13 with 1635 views | leitrimblue |
| So if the Scots ever get independence on 10:34 - Mar 13 by DJR |
For an Irish passport, I think it's a parent or grandparent born in the island of Ireland before a fairly recent date, when the rules changed. And I am not aware of the need to register a child or grandchild but maybe that is something that has been brought in to avoid the difficulty of proof many years down the line.
I imagine it would be the same for Scotland, and there will also be rules for people living there who were not born there.
I also imagine there would be something equivalent to the Common Travel Area. [Post edited 13 Mar 2023 10:38]
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I could be wrong but I think if your born outside of Ireland having an Irish parent but not being registered as Irish just means you are free to apply for the passport but think you still have to pay the fee | | | |
| So if the Scots ever get independence on 10:50 - Mar 13 with 1600 views | leitrimblue |
| So if the Scots ever get independence on 10:42 - Mar 13 by Keno |
some of use where lucky enough to have been born over in God's own country for which we are very truly grateful |
I'm guessing not in God's own county inside God's own country? | | | |
| So if the Scots ever get independence on 10:51 - Mar 13 with 1594 views | Cotty |
| So if the Scots ever get independence on 10:26 - Mar 13 by leitrimblue |
Don't think DNA results have any bearing on passports/citizenship etc at the moment.
I looked into it a while back trying to save around a grand applying for a Irish passport. In the case of Ireland, think if you were born in UK for example to Irish parents then those parents would have had to register you as Irish. Before your 18th birthday I believe, but I could be wrong.
Otherwise you pay the full fee |
Yeah this isn't quite right. My birth was registered early in 2017, in my 30s! It has nothing to do with fees either, it's all about ellgibility. The main routes to Irish citizenship are:
1. If you are born to a parent(s) who had Irish citizenship at the time of your birth.
2. Your grandparents are Irish (north or south)
I qualified under 2 because my dad hadn't bothered to get his because he never thought it would be an issue. I got mine through just weeks before my eldest was born, phew. |  | | |
| So if the Scots ever get independence on 10:54 - Mar 13 with 1544 views | ITFC_Forever |
I've got no chance with the Scots.
I'm waiting for the Cornish to go their own way.... then I'm sorted. |  |
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| So if the Scots ever get independence on 10:54 - Mar 13 with 1535 views | leitrimblue |
| So if the Scots ever get independence on 10:51 - Mar 13 by Cotty |
Yeah this isn't quite right. My birth was registered early in 2017, in my 30s! It has nothing to do with fees either, it's all about ellgibility. The main routes to Irish citizenship are:
1. If you are born to a parent(s) who had Irish citizenship at the time of your birth.
2. Your grandparents are Irish (north or south)
I qualified under 2 because my dad hadn't bothered to get his because he never thought it would be an issue. I got mine through just weeks before my eldest was born, phew. |
OK, so you didn't have to pay the fee? | | | |
| So if the Scots ever get independence on 11:00 - Mar 13 with 1486 views | JakeITFC |
| So if the Scots ever get independence on 10:54 - Mar 13 by leitrimblue |
OK, so you didn't have to pay the fee? |
I didn't either (qualified as my Dad was born in Northern Ireland), have lived in England my whole life. |  | | |
| So if the Scots ever get independence on 11:05 - Mar 13 with 1448 views | leitrimblue |
| So if the Scots ever get independence on 11:00 - Mar 13 by JakeITFC |
I didn't either (qualified as my Dad was born in Northern Ireland), have lived in England my whole life. |
Cool, will look into it again then | | | |
| So if the Scots ever get independence on 11:14 - Mar 13 with 1420 views | DJR |
| So if the Scots ever get independence on 10:54 - Mar 13 by ITFC_Forever |
I've got no chance with the Scots.
I'm waiting for the Cornish to go their own way.... then I'm sorted. |
Maybe the rest of the UK should just break away from the South East. After all, there are a lot of issues that unite, say, Scotland and the north of England. [Post edited 13 Mar 2023 11:16]
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| So if the Scots ever get independence on 12:02 - Mar 13 with 1317 views | Churchman |
| So if the Scots ever get independence on 11:14 - Mar 13 by DJR |
Maybe the rest of the UK should just break away from the South East. After all, there are a lot of issues that unite, say, Scotland and the north of England. [Post edited 13 Mar 2023 11:16]
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I think we need to go back to pre Alfred, his son Edward and grandson Athelstan.
Kingdoms: Scotland, Wales, Wessex, Mercia, East Anglia and Northumbria. London nominally fell within Mercia, but was controlled mostly by Wessex apart from when the pesky Vikings took it. I’d set up a separate country for that, the M25 being the border. You have to move with the times 😃.
I’d have proper borders to keep the Scots and the Welsh out to stop cattle rustling and raiding. Hadrian wasn’t wrong. Build that wall!! Hey, the trumpster can help with that. He knows all about walls.
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| So if the Scots ever get independence on 12:18 - Mar 13 with 1258 views | WeWereZombies |
| So if the Scots ever get independence on 12:02 - Mar 13 by Churchman |
I think we need to go back to pre Alfred, his son Edward and grandson Athelstan.
Kingdoms: Scotland, Wales, Wessex, Mercia, East Anglia and Northumbria. London nominally fell within Mercia, but was controlled mostly by Wessex apart from when the pesky Vikings took it. I’d set up a separate country for that, the M25 being the border. You have to move with the times 😃.
I’d have proper borders to keep the Scots and the Welsh out to stop cattle rustling and raiding. Hadrian wasn’t wrong. Build that wall!! Hey, the trumpster can help with that. He knows all about walls.
Job done. |
OK, let's tackle the issue of lumping all of Scotland into it's present borders first. You see there was the Dal Raita, which was roughly Argyle and Northern Ireland, then there was the Kingdom of the Isles, which was the rest of the West Coast and the Western Isles, the Picts - sort of Aberdeenshire and some way north and south from there, the Britons - the north shore of the Clyde and then all the way south into Cumbria...and some other bits as well.
East Anglia was divided too, unfortunately our lovely Suffolk cuddled up to the Romans too much but the Iceni in the north were true rebels, and died in droves for their warrior cause.
Having added in Northen Ireland as part of Dal Raita I think it is only fair to include the rest of Ireland (Connaught, Leinster and Munster) in the framework - which is going to have to be some very loose federal arrangement. Even so, things will get tense and we will need the very best soothing but robust music to see us through. So, and to repay the terrible wrong of the Windrush scandal, we need to include Jamaica as well. |  |
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| So if the Scots ever get independence on 12:36 - Mar 13 with 1234 views | Churchman |
| So if the Scots ever get independence on 12:18 - Mar 13 by WeWereZombies |
OK, let's tackle the issue of lumping all of Scotland into it's present borders first. You see there was the Dal Raita, which was roughly Argyle and Northern Ireland, then there was the Kingdom of the Isles, which was the rest of the West Coast and the Western Isles, the Picts - sort of Aberdeenshire and some way north and south from there, the Britons - the north shore of the Clyde and then all the way south into Cumbria...and some other bits as well.
East Anglia was divided too, unfortunately our lovely Suffolk cuddled up to the Romans too much but the Iceni in the north were true rebels, and died in droves for their warrior cause.
Having added in Northen Ireland as part of Dal Raita I think it is only fair to include the rest of Ireland (Connaught, Leinster and Munster) in the framework - which is going to have to be some very loose federal arrangement. Even so, things will get tense and we will need the very best soothing but robust music to see us through. So, and to repay the terrible wrong of the Windrush scandal, we need to include Jamaica as well. |
Look, you are just being silly now. There were loads of tribes. They can’t all have a country
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_Age_tribes_in_Britain
Plus you’ve not taken into account the 5th/6th century Anglo-Saxon invasion. That defines Britain as we know it. Forget the 9th/10th century Vikings. They were kicked out. Ignore the the Normans (‘northmen’ - basically Vikings who’d nabbed Normandy) too - they just integrated after they’d stolen the good stuff.
Interestingly, I’ve read that the DNA map showing Anglo-Saxon DNA corresponds quite well with the current map of England though everyone has a bit of everything bunged in, including ancient Briton. Shows what a load of old rubbish racism is really, before you get to the wickedness and immorality of it.
Back to the point, I stand by my original carve up. What the Scots do with their bare bit of land is their affair. Same with the Welsh and the Irish. As for Wessex, I know you could carve off Kent (the only place name that is ancient), Sussex (south Saxons) and Essex (east Saxons from East Anglia, but you have to be reasonable, be fair and draw the line.
The Romans? What did they do for us? Massacred a few ancient Britons and tootled off when the going got tough at home just about covers it. That’ll teach them to wear bedsheets and skirts in a climate like this!
That’s sorted! [Post edited 13 Mar 2023 12:39]
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| So if the Scots ever get independence on 12:43 - Mar 13 with 1194 views | GlasgowBlue |
| So if the Scots ever get independence on 12:18 - Mar 13 by WeWereZombies |
OK, let's tackle the issue of lumping all of Scotland into it's present borders first. You see there was the Dal Raita, which was roughly Argyle and Northern Ireland, then there was the Kingdom of the Isles, which was the rest of the West Coast and the Western Isles, the Picts - sort of Aberdeenshire and some way north and south from there, the Britons - the north shore of the Clyde and then all the way south into Cumbria...and some other bits as well.
East Anglia was divided too, unfortunately our lovely Suffolk cuddled up to the Romans too much but the Iceni in the north were true rebels, and died in droves for their warrior cause.
Having added in Northen Ireland as part of Dal Raita I think it is only fair to include the rest of Ireland (Connaught, Leinster and Munster) in the framework - which is going to have to be some very loose federal arrangement. Even so, things will get tense and we will need the very best soothing but robust music to see us through. So, and to repay the terrible wrong of the Windrush scandal, we need to include Jamaica as well. |
Not to forget the Kingdom of Fife.
Never call a Fifer a Scot. | |
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| So if the Scots ever get independence on 12:43 - Mar 13 with 1198 views | WeWereZombies |
| So if the Scots ever get independence on 12:36 - Mar 13 by Churchman |
Look, you are just being silly now. There were loads of tribes. They can’t all have a country
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_Age_tribes_in_Britain
Plus you’ve not taken into account the 5th/6th century Anglo-Saxon invasion. That defines Britain as we know it. Forget the 9th/10th century Vikings. They were kicked out. Ignore the the Normans (‘northmen’ - basically Vikings who’d nabbed Normandy) too - they just integrated after they’d stolen the good stuff.
Interestingly, I’ve read that the DNA map showing Anglo-Saxon DNA corresponds quite well with the current map of England though everyone has a bit of everything bunged in, including ancient Briton. Shows what a load of old rubbish racism is really, before you get to the wickedness and immorality of it.
Back to the point, I stand by my original carve up. What the Scots do with their bare bit of land is their affair. Same with the Welsh and the Irish. As for Wessex, I know you could carve off Kent (the only place name that is ancient), Sussex (south Saxons) and Essex (east Saxons from East Anglia, but you have to be reasonable, be fair and draw the line.
The Romans? What did they do for us? Massacred a few ancient Britons and tootled off when the going got tough at home just about covers it. That’ll teach them to wear bedsheets and skirts in a climate like this!
That’s sorted! [Post edited 13 Mar 2023 12:39]
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No, no, I'm not having the Jamaicans excluded from the new map of Britain. But it does strike me as a bit unfair to leave the Aussies and the Canadians out, so we will have to include them. And the Kiwis too. But then it wouldn't be right to exclude India...or South Africa, or Kenya, or Nigeria (there you are, Lagos, you have a new passport). If only there was something like a Commonwealth of Nations that could do this job. | |
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| So if the Scots ever get independence on 12:57 - Mar 13 with 1152 views | DJR |
| So if the Scots ever get independence on 12:18 - Mar 13 by WeWereZombies |
OK, let's tackle the issue of lumping all of Scotland into it's present borders first. You see there was the Dal Raita, which was roughly Argyle and Northern Ireland, then there was the Kingdom of the Isles, which was the rest of the West Coast and the Western Isles, the Picts - sort of Aberdeenshire and some way north and south from there, the Britons - the north shore of the Clyde and then all the way south into Cumbria...and some other bits as well.
East Anglia was divided too, unfortunately our lovely Suffolk cuddled up to the Romans too much but the Iceni in the north were true rebels, and died in droves for their warrior cause.
Having added in Northen Ireland as part of Dal Raita I think it is only fair to include the rest of Ireland (Connaught, Leinster and Munster) in the framework - which is going to have to be some very loose federal arrangement. Even so, things will get tense and we will need the very best soothing but robust music to see us through. So, and to repay the terrible wrong of the Windrush scandal, we need to include Jamaica as well. |
Yep, don't forget the Northern Isles and a large part of Caithness, which were under Norse influence for some time. Indeed, Orkney and Shetland only ceased to be part of the Kingdom of Norway in 1472, and Norn (a form of Norse) continued to be spoken in parts of Shetland until about 1800.
Interestingly, tracing my Shetland roots has shown evidence of the Norse patronymic naming system, with one of my ancestors having the wonderful name, translated into English, of Grizel Mansdaughter. | | | |
| So if the Scots ever get independence on 12:59 - Mar 13 with 1151 views | Churchman |
| So if the Scots ever get independence on 12:43 - Mar 13 by WeWereZombies |
No, no, I'm not having the Jamaicans excluded from the new map of Britain. But it does strike me as a bit unfair to leave the Aussies and the Canadians out, so we will have to include them. And the Kiwis too. But then it wouldn't be right to exclude India...or South Africa, or Kenya, or Nigeria (there you are, Lagos, you have a new passport). If only there was something like a Commonwealth of Nations that could do this job. |
You have to be sensible about this. Jamaicans, St Kitts & Nevis, Indians, Pakistanis, Bangladeshis, Zimbabweans, SAs, NZs, Aussies, Kenyans, Nigerians etc all welcome, but these islands have to be divided up into realistic nations and they’re not that big! | | | |
| So if the Scots ever get independence on 13:08 - Mar 13 with 1123 views | NthQldITFC |
I'm not paying out good money for a DNA test.
Am I in?
http://www.scotranslate.com/ gives us:
"Ah'ament paying oot guid dosh fur a dna test."
and
"Am ah in?" [Post edited 13 Mar 2023 19:28]
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