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So if the Scots ever get independence 10:11 - Mar 13 with 2689 views

bluelagos

Do you think a DNA result of jockness would qualify you for an EU passport or would you have to move there too?

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So if the Scots ever get independence on 13:15 - Mar 13 with 861 views

Geomorph

Thanks to a Scottish mum (RIP), I will get one :)

So if the Scots ever get independence on 13:21 - Mar 13 with 844 views

WeWereZombies

So if the Scots ever get independence on 12:57 - Mar 13 by DJR

Yep, don't forget the Northern Isles and a large part of Caithness, which were under Norse influence for some time. Indeed, Orkney and Shetland only ceased to be part of the Kingdom of Norway in 1472, and Norn (a form of Norse) continued to be spoken in parts of Shetland until about 1800.

Interestingly, tracing my Shetland roots has shown evidence of the Norse patronymic naming system, with one of my ancestors having the wonderful name, translated into English, of Grizel Mansdaughter.

On my third, unasked for, edition of the DNAancestry test the Mormons put me down as between 4% and 29% Viking. Happy with that. In fact I now think of myself as one quarter Viking and three quarters Saxon...so why have I just fallen in love with an Arabic woman ?

Anyway, around that time, a few weeks ago in Bolivia, I met someone from Kyrgyzstan for the first time and when she asked me where I came from I told her I was born in England but live in Scotland. 'But that isn't a Scots accent is it ?' she said, and I confirmed this. She put a hand on my shoulder and said 'I like your sexy English accent.' I occasionally say 'aye' and call small things 'wee' but that is as far as I go from now on.

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So if the Scots ever get independence on 13:28 - Mar 13 with 823 views

Churchman

So if the Scots ever get independence on 13:21 - Mar 13 by WeWereZombies

4% - 29% Viking isn’t very specific is it. Interesting though.

I’ve never done one but I’m tempted. I’ve done the ancestry digging and got back to the 15c on one side, but with all that stuff it depends on what line you follow.

My guess, without the test, is mostly Anglo-Saxon, possibly a smidgeon of Welsh (hinted from my grandmother’s welsh surname) and a whiff of Norman, the clue being my surname.

Overall heritage? Mostly scum of the earth.

So if the Scots ever get independence on 13:33 - Mar 13 with 815 views

Daninthecampo

Even if Scotland get the vote and vote for independence, I can't see anyway the EU will allow them to join

So if the Scots ever get independence on 13:35 - Mar 13 with 807 views

Churchman

So if the Scots ever get independence on 13:33 - Mar 13 by Daninthecampo
Even if Scotland get the vote and vote for independence, I can't see anyway the EU will allow them to join

I can’t see the Spanish allowing them in, given the situation with Catalonia and the Basque region.

So if the Scots ever get independence on 13:36 - Mar 13 with 807 views

Swansea_Blue

So if the Scots ever get independence on 13:08 - Mar 13 by NthQldITFC
I'm not paying out good money for a DNA test. Am I in? http://www.scotranslate.com/ gives us: "Ah'ament paying oot guid dosh fur a dna test." and "Am ah in?" [Post edited 13 Mar 2023 19:28]

Worried it might come back 5% hamster?

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So if the Scots ever get independence on 13:36 - Mar 13 with 804 views

giant_stow

So if the Scots ever get independence on 13:33 - Mar 13 by Daninthecampo
Even if Scotland get the vote and vote for independence, I can't see anyway the EU will allow them to join

I was thinking that too, but Brexit may have changed things in the EU mindset. Mind you, it could make independence less appealing for Scottish voters too maybe.

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So if the Scots ever get independence on 13:37 - Mar 13 with 802 views

Daninthecampo

So if the Scots ever get independence on 13:35 - Mar 13 by Churchman
I can’t see the Spanish allowing them in, given the situation with Catalonia and the Basque region.

Exactly plus numerous other reasons

So if the Scots ever get independence on 14:01 - Mar 13 with 780 views

DJR

So if the Scots ever get independence on 13:33 - Mar 13 by Daninthecampo
Even if Scotland get the vote and vote for independence, I can't see anyway the EU will allow them to join

That (in my view false) argument was used the last time but the situation has changed.

Of course, there may be hurdles to overcome on things like debt etc and it may not be instantaneous, but are we really saying a small democratic nation in north west Europe would be refused entry (and the security that would bring) given that Turkey's membership has been contemplated (however far off that might be from a human rights etc point of view)?

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So if the Scots ever get independence on 14:15 - Mar 13 with 765 views

DJR

So if the Scots ever get independence on 14:01 - Mar 13 by DJR

[Post edited 13 Mar 2023 14:04]

This will be my final post on this topic, but I would just say that, as someone with two Scottish parents, I went during the independence campaign from agnostic to a supporter of independence just because of the way the entire UK establishment and media went out of their way to oppose independence.

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So if the Scots ever get independence on 14:18 - Mar 13 with 754 views

Churchman

So if the Scots ever get independence on 14:01 - Mar 13 by DJR

[Post edited 13 Mar 2023 14:04]

Yes, not least because of the point I made about Spain earlier.

What I think will happen is that the U.K. will seek to rejoin the EU, on far less advantageous terms than it left, obviously, and the U.K. will then break up quite naturally.

So if the Scots ever get independence on 14:26 - Mar 13 with 746 views

DJR

So if the Scots ever get independence on 14:18 - Mar 13 by Churchman
Yes, not least because of the point I made about Spain earlier. What I think will happen is that the U.K. will seek to rejoin the EU, on far less advantageous terms than it left, obviously, and the U.K. will then break up quite naturally.

I'll resist the temptation!

So if the Scots ever get independence on 14:30 - Mar 13 with 737 views

Churchman

So if the Scots ever get independence on 14:26 - Mar 13 by DJR
I'll resist the temptation!

Regarding your stance on the independence vote, I’d have done exactly the same.

So if the Scots ever get independence on 16:48 - Mar 13 with 711 views

WeWereZombies

So if the Scots ever get independence on 13:35 - Mar 13 by Churchman
I can’t see the Spanish allowing them in, given the situation with Catalonia and the Basque region.

As I have explained numerous times on this forum, a successful Catalan move for independence would spell the end of the 1976 Spanish constitution (and with that the danger of a return to some sort of fascist administration.) With the unwritten constitutional nature of the state of the United Kingdom Scottish independence would have no such impact (and, anyway, the current Conservative government seem to want some form of fascist rule beforehand...) Scotland already has, and always has had, a separate legal system and joining the euro would be a neat solution to the currency problem (as the remainder of the United Kingdom would be unlikely to grant Scotland a chunk of the Exchequer to kick off with - so no reserves to wave goodbye to when the single currency is adopted.)

Likewise, the Montreal situation is not a suitable comparison as most Scots will still speak English (as someone with a smattering of Gaelic I can see why it hasn't caught on that widely in Ireland.) The best example to look to is Czechia and the Slovak Republic, which appear to have gone their separate ways quite amicably, even to the extent of commencing any foreign state visits by their respective presidents in the other nation's territory. It should be noted that both those nations are members of the European Union.

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So if the Scots ever get independence on 16:52 - Mar 13 with 708 views

Cotty

So if the Scots ever get independence on 10:54 - Mar 13 by leitrimblue
OK, so you didn't have to pay the fee?

There's always a fee, just like applying for a passport.

So if the Scots ever get independence on 18:04 - Mar 13 with 675 views

ArnoldMoorhen

The SNP have a policy of "Civic Nationalism"- so you would need to qualify by residency.

We refer to refugees (or any other migrant) as "New Scots" up here- such a positive way of framing the situation, and similarly "Refuweegee" has been used in Glasgow to show solidarity and identify with those seeking Asylum.

Similarly, those of other nationalities aren't usually allowed to vote in Westminster elections, but for Scottish Parliament Elections it is residency that qualifies the individual.

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So if the Scots ever get independence on 19:00 - Mar 13 with 641 views

bluelagos

So if the Scots ever get independence on 18:04 - Mar 13 by ArnoldMoorhen

[Post edited 13 Mar 2023 18:18]

Ironic that my (newly discovered) Scottish heritage / DNA wouldn't count.

Give it 2 years and if the Tories get in I can see myself looking at all options. Just had enough of the what they are doing to our country.

But where's to go? I like Ireland but don't like the rain. South Africa is an option but feels risky to go all in, maybe rent a place. Western Isles but I wonder how frustrating it would be if you needed an emergency plumber/electrician?

And of course sodding off would mean missing Ipswich in the Prem again ðŸ˜•

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So if the Scots ever get independence on 19:34 - Mar 13 with 595 views

Churchman

So if the Scots ever get independence on 19:00 - Mar 13 by bluelagos

No danger of those creatures getting in for years, so I don’t think you need to worry. My only worry is the damage they’ll do in the next two years.

So if the Scots ever get independence on 21:39 - Mar 13 with 552 views

ArnoldMoorhen

So if the Scots ever get independence on 19:00 - Mar 13 by bluelagos

Depends how much capital you have built up in your home, but you could do a lot worse than coming to Edinburgh, and getting a small flat in Spain or Portugal for 4 or so months of the year.

So if the Scots ever get independence on 21:53 - Mar 13 with 542 views

WeWereZombies

So if the Scots ever get independence on 19:00 - Mar 13 by bluelagos

You don't like the rain in Ireland but you are considering the Western Isles ? Gie ya heid a wabble, pal...

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So if the Scots ever get independence on 22:03 - Mar 13 with 508 views

You_Bloo_Right

So if the Scots ever get independence on 19:00 - Mar 13 by bluelagos

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So if the Scots ever get independence on 22:18 - Mar 13 with 484 views

HARRY10

Scottish Independence is mostly fired up by anti English sentiment laced with Buckfast and deep fried hatred.

Setting aside the practicalities of being separate from the remaining UK members, there is the blunt reality that it would not be welcome back into the EU.

And it is mostly nothing but a cynical ploy to garner votes. Or further their political career - Kate Forbes. Possible the most Tory politician in Scotland

What this has highlighted is the undemocratic nature of PR. If the SNP are unable to command a majority in the Scottish Parliament they should seek re-election. Not engage in the standard practice of PR, a grubby back stairs deal that a large number of SNP members did not vote for, nor agree with

If the SNP is pro Trans rights it should have stood on that platform when campaigning. Not introduce it as a means to cling onto power I suspect the repercussions from this will pull the party apart. How far we will have to see.

Should Scotland have greater powers ? Yes. A recent point being the bottle recycling.

The US states have considerable autonomy without losing the benefits of being part of a greater entity. We have seen in Ireland where the drive is for greater access and easier trade. Taking a 'brexit' idea, so as to isolate Scotland further would cause widespread harm.

But while there are votes and positions of power to be had there will be the siren voices enticing 'Scotch on the Rocks'

So if the Scots ever get independence on 22:55 - Mar 13 with 461 views

Darth_Koont

So if the Scots ever get independence on 22:18 - Mar 13 by HARRY10

Let Scotland be independent and we'll take your refugees.

Pronouns: He/Him

So if the Scots ever get independence on 23:05 - Mar 13 with 431 views

HARRY10

So if the Scots ever get independence on 22:55 - Mar 13 by Darth_Koont
Let Scotland be independent and we'll take your refugees.

eh ?

So if the Scots ever get independence on 23:23 - Mar 13 with 429 views

MattinLondon

So if the Scots ever get independence on 13:35 - Mar 13 by Churchman
I can’t see the Spanish allowing them in, given the situation with Catalonia and the Basque region.

Not sure how reliable this source is - but it mentions that the Spain might well not block Scotland’s bid to join the EU as long as independence was legal.

https://europeforscotland.com/the-enduring-myth-of-the-spanish-veto/

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