| 80% of voters think Britain needs fresh team 19:43 - May 23 with 2814 views | HARRY10 |
80% of voters, including 55% of Tory supporters, think Britain needs fresh team of leaders. The polling firm Ipsos has published its latest political monitor polling round - 23rd May
Lab 44%
Tory 28%
giving
Lab 418
Tory 155
Almost 18 months of solid Labour leads of plus 10%. Now fluctuating around the 15% mark. Though not factoring in the looney 6 weeks Truss tried Brexit economics.
So how much longer are the Tories going to try and stretch this out ? 80% now want change. They stagger from one failure to another. Sunak is simply aping Johnsons bare faced lying in Parliament. Unable and unwilling to answer the most basic of questions.
If it is not ministers resigning in disgrace, it is MPs announcing they will not stand next time (Rabb the latest). His five promises are now doomed to fail. Zahawi, Rabb and Braverman demonstrate his guff about integrity and accountability were merely Johnson type hollow promises.
His party know it is over, the infighting has already begun. The country also knows it is over, as seen in the recent council elections. Sunak (the Prime Miniature) looks and sounds like Timkins minor from the lower 3rd trying to be the Head Boy.
Just go, you absurd little pipsqueak. Take your corrupt and incompetent rabble with you and let the country decide who they want running things .......................... before you do further damage to the country.
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| 80% of voters think Britain needs fresh team on 19:49 - May 23 with 2773 views | GlasgowBlue |
Careful Harry. You'll have Buhrer on your case for your choice of language. |  |
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| 80% of voters think Britain needs fresh team on 19:51 - May 23 with 2765 views | gtsb1966 |
I would be willing to have a charity bet of £50 with you that Labour don't win the next election. Just as we get to the next election things will have started to turn for the better and the government will bring the taxes they raised down a tiny bit to bribe the voters, and the electorate will fall for it and forget about the last few years of a shambolic, deceitful government. You wait and see. |  | | |
| 80% of voters think Britain needs fresh team on 19:55 - May 23 with 2737 views | GlasgowBlue |
| 80% of voters think Britain needs fresh team on 19:51 - May 23 by gtsb1966 |
I would be willing to have a charity bet of £50 with you that Labour don't win the next election. Just as we get to the next election things will have started to turn for the better and the government will bring the taxes they raised down a tiny bit to bribe the voters, and the electorate will fall for it and forget about the last few years of a shambolic, deceitful government. You wait and see. |
Hung parliament looks likely. | |
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| 80% of voters think Britain needs fresh team on 19:56 - May 23 with 2715 views | Buhrer |
| 80% of voters think Britain needs fresh team on 19:49 - May 23 by GlasgowBlue |
Careful Harry. You'll have Buhrer on your case for your choice of language. |
Rent free GB x |  | | |
| 80% of voters think Britain needs fresh team on 19:57 - May 23 with 2719 views | gtsb1966 |
| 80% of voters think Britain needs fresh team on 19:55 - May 23 by GlasgowBlue |
Hung parliament looks likely. |
I make you right. | | | |
| 80% of voters think Britain needs fresh team on 20:01 - May 23 with 2706 views | NthQldITFC |
I want someone, somehow to make clear to the bastards that there will be retrospective and meaningful personal accountability for any (further) damage they do to this country in their dead man walking year or so.
We can't allow the ratcheting down of standards of public service to continue past the already shamefully low level. We need a serious social, economic and political rebound if we are to find a way to get through our forthcoming environmental problems. |  |
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| 80% of voters think Britain needs fresh team on 20:20 - May 23 with 2673 views | BlueandTruesince82 |
As long as the term limit allows, they need as much time as possible to try and turn it around. They won't.
After so many years of Tory rule Britain will seek change. Labour should on the back of this be in power for 15 to twenty years and then, the public will want change because at a certain point most people just want change.
Baring a MAJOR scandal they will cling on until they have to call one. |  |
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| 80% of voters think Britain needs fresh team on 20:23 - May 23 with 2667 views | ArnoldMoorhen |
| 80% of voters think Britain needs fresh team on 19:55 - May 23 by GlasgowBlue |
Hung parliament looks likely. |
It really doesn't.
As you well know, the SNP are in absolute disarray, and things will get worse before they get better. Labour are coming off a low base in Scotland and will pick up seats. That's before any former Red Wall seats revert.
Personally I would prefer Labour to be just short of the majority, and Lib Dems to press for guaranteed Constitutional Reform, including a Holyrood-type Constituency plus balancing list PR, as the price for a Coalition, but Labour have too many winnable seats for that to happen. | | | |
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| 80% of voters think Britain needs fresh team on 20:28 - May 23 with 2651 views | GlasgowBlue |
| 80% of voters think Britain needs fresh team on 20:23 - May 23 by ArnoldMoorhen |
It really doesn't.
As you well know, the SNP are in absolute disarray, and things will get worse before they get better. Labour are coming off a low base in Scotland and will pick up seats. That's before any former Red Wall seats revert.
Personally I would prefer Labour to be just short of the majority, and Lib Dems to press for guaranteed Constitutional Reform, including a Holyrood-type Constituency plus balancing list PR, as the price for a Coalition, but Labour have too many winnable seats for that to happen. |
Starmer would have to outperform Blair in 97 by a hell of a margin to overturn an 80 seat Tory majority in one electoral cycle. | |
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| 80% of voters think Britain needs fresh team on 20:54 - May 23 with 2588 views | J2BLUE |
| 80% of voters think Britain needs fresh team on 19:51 - May 23 by gtsb1966 |
I would be willing to have a charity bet of £50 with you that Labour don't win the next election. Just as we get to the next election things will have started to turn for the better and the government will bring the taxes they raised down a tiny bit to bribe the voters, and the electorate will fall for it and forget about the last few years of a shambolic, deceitful government. You wait and see. |
I am tempted to take this bet.
There's a couple of issues where I think Starmer might blow an outright majority but i'm tempted. |  |
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| 80% of voters think Britain needs fresh team on 21:46 - May 23 with 2535 views | Lord_Lucan |
| 80% of voters think Britain needs fresh team on 20:28 - May 23 by GlasgowBlue |
Starmer would have to outperform Blair in 97 by a hell of a margin to overturn an 80 seat Tory majority in one electoral cycle. |
When Boris won that landslide there most people were thinking of at least another 8 years of Tory rule - but they have well and truly blown it baby.
No matter what party is in power for this long you need a change. In fact we need a total reset.
Only chance Tory’s had was to get Mordant but she was engineered out. Wallace would have been a chance but he ruled himself out.
I guess if I were a betting man (which I’m not) I would say it will be a hung parliament. I listened to Ed Davey on LBC this morning and he came across very well indeed - apart from the end when he said a women could have a penis. Doesn’t matter what his views are he needs to duck that question if he wants to steal the Tory marginals.
Edit. I might have to rethink this as Harry Snow might have jinxed it. On the night of the Boris landslide he was predicting a Labour win. [Post edited 23 May 2023 21:53]
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| 80% of voters think Britain needs fresh team on 22:15 - May 23 with 2475 views | LeoMuff |
| 80% of voters think Britain needs fresh team on 20:20 - May 23 by BlueandTruesince82 |
As long as the term limit allows, they need as much time as possible to try and turn it around. They won't.
After so many years of Tory rule Britain will seek change. Labour should on the back of this be in power for 15 to twenty years and then, the public will want change because at a certain point most people just want change.
Baring a MAJOR scandal they will cling on until they have to call one. |
I also can’t see how they turn it, Sunak is election dynamite non dom, hugely rich, party gate fines, Boris and his fan club trying to disrupt constantly, there is so much ammo for election time.
I can’t see the economy turning around quick enough, and all other areas are a complete disaster apart from Ukraine, and you can’t win an election on that. |  |
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| 80% of voters think Britain needs fresh team on 22:18 - May 23 with 2461 views | J2BLUE |
| 80% of voters think Britain needs fresh team on 21:46 - May 23 by Lord_Lucan |
When Boris won that landslide there most people were thinking of at least another 8 years of Tory rule - but they have well and truly blown it baby.
No matter what party is in power for this long you need a change. In fact we need a total reset.
Only chance Tory’s had was to get Mordant but she was engineered out. Wallace would have been a chance but he ruled himself out.
I guess if I were a betting man (which I’m not) I would say it will be a hung parliament. I listened to Ed Davey on LBC this morning and he came across very well indeed - apart from the end when he said a women could have a penis. Doesn’t matter what his views are he needs to duck that question if he wants to steal the Tory marginals.
Edit. I might have to rethink this as Harry Snow might have jinxed it. On the night of the Boris landslide he was predicting a Labour win. [Post edited 23 May 2023 21:53]
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That is actually one of the issues I was talking about with Starmer.
https://news.sky.com/story/keir-starmer-will-lose-election-campaign-on-day-one-o | |
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| 80% of voters think Britain needs fresh team on 06:59 - May 24 with 2303 views | BlueBadger |
It's a fringe issue for most voters. Nobody in '97 gave a short flying toss that Labour planned to repeal Section 28. I don't recall ever seeing any posters or anything about it. If the Tories want to weaponise their new Sectional 28-styled ideas regarding trans rights, they'll be met with indifference at best, from most people other than the usual cheerleading loons, I suspect.
The wider public appear to be broadly of the mildly baffled but 'let's try nt to be a pr1ck about it' mindset.
https://inews.co.uk/opinion/ive-never-heard-a-voter-raise-transgender-rights-on- [Post edited 24 May 2023 7:08]
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| 80% of voters think Britain needs fresh team on 07:09 - May 24 with 2290 views | Churchman |
| 80% of voters think Britain needs fresh team on 20:28 - May 23 by GlasgowBlue |
Starmer would have to outperform Blair in 97 by a hell of a margin to overturn an 80 seat Tory majority in one electoral cycle. |
As long as he and his mob keep their traps shut he’ll overturn that majority alright.
The tories are finished for a generation. This needs a legal dude, but I’d like to see a law for retrospective accountability for what they’ve done. Something ‘crimes against the state’. A Nuremberg style show trial.
A bit extreme and not possible but I’d just like to see these creatures held to account for what they’ve done. |  | | |
| 80% of voters think Britain needs fresh team on 08:00 - May 24 with 2241 views | GlasgowBlue |
| 80% of voters think Britain needs fresh team on 21:46 - May 23 by Lord_Lucan |
When Boris won that landslide there most people were thinking of at least another 8 years of Tory rule - but they have well and truly blown it baby.
No matter what party is in power for this long you need a change. In fact we need a total reset.
Only chance Tory’s had was to get Mordant but she was engineered out. Wallace would have been a chance but he ruled himself out.
I guess if I were a betting man (which I’m not) I would say it will be a hung parliament. I listened to Ed Davey on LBC this morning and he came across very well indeed - apart from the end when he said a women could have a penis. Doesn’t matter what his views are he needs to duck that question if he wants to steal the Tory marginals.
Edit. I might have to rethink this as Harry Snow might have jinxed it. On the night of the Boris landslide he was predicting a Labour win. [Post edited 23 May 2023 21:53]
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I agree with you that the Tories need to lose the next election, both fur the sake of the country and for the sake of the Conservative Party, who need to spend a decade or more in opposition trying to work out whether they want to be UKIP-lite or a credible party of the centre right.
However, I think that the Tories will end up as the largest party in a hung Parliament. Especially if the new boundaries kick in before the next general election. | |
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| 80% of voters think Britain needs fresh team on 09:06 - May 24 with 2168 views | J2BLUE |
| 80% of voters think Britain needs fresh team on 06:59 - May 24 by BlueBadger |
It's a fringe issue for most voters. Nobody in '97 gave a short flying toss that Labour planned to repeal Section 28. I don't recall ever seeing any posters or anything about it. If the Tories want to weaponise their new Sectional 28-styled ideas regarding trans rights, they'll be met with indifference at best, from most people other than the usual cheerleading loons, I suspect.
The wider public appear to be broadly of the mildly baffled but 'let's try nt to be a pr1ck about it' mindset.
https://inews.co.uk/opinion/ive-never-heard-a-voter-raise-transgender-rights-on- [Post edited 24 May 2023 7:08]
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I was going purely by Twitter, which admittedly is dangerous, where each day there is almost always something trending as the extremists from both sides go at it. | |
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| 80% of voters think Britain needs fresh team on 09:29 - May 24 with 2131 views | clive_baker |
The other 20% need their fecking heads tested. |  |
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| 80% of voters think Britain needs fresh team on 09:53 - May 24 with 2082 views | BlueandTruesince82 |
| 80% of voters think Britain needs fresh team on 22:15 - May 23 by LeoMuff |
I also can’t see how they turn it, Sunak is election dynamite non dom, hugely rich, party gate fines, Boris and his fan club trying to disrupt constantly, there is so much ammo for election time.
I can’t see the economy turning around quick enough, and all other areas are a complete disaster apart from Ukraine, and you can’t win an election on that. |
Totally agree.
I can't see any other result than a Labour win. I had fiver on a Labour majority at 4/5 when it was clear Truss was on her way, won't win me much but I'd be confident it comes in.
Will take something monumental for the Tories to turn this around and short of Sunak personally going black ops in Russia and taking our Putin rambo style I can't see it.
Right wing press pinning all their hopes on an anti woke agenda - regardless of one's feelings on that it's just a distraction from all the other issues. Keep them talking about that, stop them talking about anything else | |
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| 80% of voters think Britain needs fresh team on 10:47 - May 24 with 2007 views | DJR |
| 80% of voters think Britain needs fresh team on 08:00 - May 24 by GlasgowBlue |
I agree with you that the Tories need to lose the next election, both fur the sake of the country and for the sake of the Conservative Party, who need to spend a decade or more in opposition trying to work out whether they want to be UKIP-lite or a credible party of the centre right.
However, I think that the Tories will end up as the largest party in a hung Parliament. Especially if the new boundaries kick in before the next general election. |
Interestingly, Blair won a 66 majority in the 2005 election with 35% of the vote compared to the Tories 32%, so if Labour were to get a vote share in the general election anywhere near their current polling, I think it probably would get a majority.
However, things are different now, because Scotland (despite the SNP woes) is no longer a banker, I am not convinced Labour will get such a high vote share as the polls are predicting, and the anti-Tory vote may end up being split in a way that favours Labour less than in 2005. There may also be a slight revival in the polls by the Tories if the economy is growing and inflation is back under control.
That being the case, my view is that there will be a hung Parliament but with Labour as the largest party.
But we shall see. |  | | |
| 80% of voters think Britain needs fresh team on 16:16 - May 24 with 1876 views | Lord_Lucan |
| 80% of voters think Britain needs fresh team on 10:47 - May 24 by DJR |
Interestingly, Blair won a 66 majority in the 2005 election with 35% of the vote compared to the Tories 32%, so if Labour were to get a vote share in the general election anywhere near their current polling, I think it probably would get a majority.
However, things are different now, because Scotland (despite the SNP woes) is no longer a banker, I am not convinced Labour will get such a high vote share as the polls are predicting, and the anti-Tory vote may end up being split in a way that favours Labour less than in 2005. There may also be a slight revival in the polls by the Tories if the economy is growing and inflation is back under control.
That being the case, my view is that there will be a hung Parliament but with Labour as the largest party.
But we shall see. |
I also think it will be a hung parliament with a labour and Lib Dem thing going on.
........and to be honest I think that may very well be the best outcome. | |
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| 80% of voters think Britain needs fresh team on 16:32 - May 24 with 1848 views | Radlett_blue |
Sunak is clearly going to hang on. He would be insane to call a GE with Labour comfortably ahead in the polls. The election probably won't happen until Autumn next year. Sunak will hope that Putin gives up on his futile occupation of Ukraine, inflation falls & the economy shows some modest growth. It's still Starmer's election to lose as the "Red Wall" of disillusioned Brexiteers will surely return to Labour & he seems to be doing a good job of keeping the Labour left quiet. |  |
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| 80% of voters think Britain needs fresh team on 16:52 - May 24 with 1814 views | HARRY10 |
| 80% of voters think Britain needs fresh team on 16:16 - May 24 by Lord_Lucan |
I also think it will be a hung parliament with a labour and Lib Dem thing going on.
........and to be honest I think that may very well be the best outcome. |
With polling figures pointing towards a 400 seat majority, a hung Parliament is a likely Johnson telling the truth.
A coalition would have the benefit of highlighting the sheer stupidity of PR. Labour would be the larger party, with the Libdems in tow. Which would mean, as in 2010, they are powerless with no say. Cabinet will always be dominated by the larger party ie what they say goes.
It means that Libdem voters will see policies enacted by the party they voted for, but with policies they did not vote for. Labour would then sit with a grenade, next to the Libdems. Support us, or we pull the pin, just as in 2010 and the late 70s.
Labour have been slowly increasing their lead, and as polling indicates, so have the Libdems - both under the thought 'anything but the Tories'.
Coalition government/PR etc is the worst thing for democracy. Centralising power at the tip and removing so much of local accountability. Decisions taken for personal gain, not public benefit
As much as I despise the Tories, a Labour government needs a strong and vocal opposition. One that will hold them to account, and be a voice for dissenting views.
Having dodgy backroom deals, sleaze, favours granted is the exact opposite of a healthy democracy, see the SNP and their coalition with the chameleon like Greens. | | | |
| 80% of voters think Britain needs fresh team on 22:24 - May 24 with 1732 views | Lord_Lucan |
| 80% of voters think Britain needs fresh team on 16:52 - May 24 by HARRY10 |
With polling figures pointing towards a 400 seat majority, a hung Parliament is a likely Johnson telling the truth.
A coalition would have the benefit of highlighting the sheer stupidity of PR. Labour would be the larger party, with the Libdems in tow. Which would mean, as in 2010, they are powerless with no say. Cabinet will always be dominated by the larger party ie what they say goes.
It means that Libdem voters will see policies enacted by the party they voted for, but with policies they did not vote for. Labour would then sit with a grenade, next to the Libdems. Support us, or we pull the pin, just as in 2010 and the late 70s.
Labour have been slowly increasing their lead, and as polling indicates, so have the Libdems - both under the thought 'anything but the Tories'.
Coalition government/PR etc is the worst thing for democracy. Centralising power at the tip and removing so much of local accountability. Decisions taken for personal gain, not public benefit
As much as I despise the Tories, a Labour government needs a strong and vocal opposition. One that will hold them to account, and be a voice for dissenting views.
Having dodgy backroom deals, sleaze, favours granted is the exact opposite of a healthy democracy, see the SNP and their coalition with the chameleon like Greens. |
I’d love to share a beer with you Harry, I think you are as mad as a March hare and we would disagree on everything but I think we would have an affectionate hug at closing time.
Man cool. | |
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