| Tory party splitting at last? on 20:22 - Jun 14 with 2490 views | factual_blue |
I'm sure we all have our fingers crossed. |  |
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| Tory party splitting at last? on 20:25 - Jun 14 with 2489 views | wkj |
| Tory party splitting at last? on 20:22 - Jun 14 by Swansea_Blue |
Although in fairness an old one nation Tory Party would be vastly superior to the useless fkers we’ve got now. But yes, Labour have lost sight of what their priorities should be because of their assumption they need to pander to the ever increasing number of rancid, racist twunks in this country. |
This is true, I would much rather consume "Tory Zero" than "Torys lead by a massive Johnson" |  |
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| Tory party splitting at last? on 20:29 - Jun 14 with 2462 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Tory party splitting at last? on 20:22 - Jun 14 by Swansea_Blue |
Although in fairness an old one nation Tory Party would be vastly superior to the useless fkers we’ve got now. But yes, Labour have lost sight of what their priorities should be because of their assumption they need to pander to the ever increasing number of rancid, racist twunks in this country. |
The really depressing thing is that they assume wrong!
What a time to be alive. |  |
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| Tory party splitting at last? on 20:52 - Jun 14 with 2389 views | EastTownBlue |
| Tory party splitting at last? on 20:25 - Jun 14 by wkj |
This is true, I would much rather consume "Tory Zero" than "Torys lead by a massive Johnson" |
Dorries has her own battles for now...
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| Tory party splitting at last? on 21:14 - Jun 14 with 2307 views | Freddies_Ears |
| Tory party splitting at last? on 21:07 - Jun 14 by GeoffSentence |
Why have two when you can have three |
How a Johnson/ Mad Nad etc party could be described as anything other than alt-right is beyond me. | | | |
| Tory party splitting at last? on 22:29 - Jun 14 with 2152 views | eireblue |
| Tory party splitting at last? on 21:14 - Jun 14 by Freddies_Ears |
How a Johnson/ Mad Nad etc party could be described as anything other than alt-right is beyond me. |
It would be a libertarian party,….meaning that people in the party would be entitled to do what they like without any state interference. |  | | |
| Tory party splitting at last? on 08:13 - Jun 15 with 1915 views | Guthrum |
Would be as electorally successful as UKIP (or Farage's other vehicles), bearing in mind they got rid of the one national vote where fringe parties could win seats.
Johnson, like Trump, overestimates his own personal popularity as opposed to being attached to a party for which people will vote out of habit or traditional dislike of the alternatives.
Besides which, they've had their Brexit, people are fed up hearing about it, can see the mess that "No Deal" produced. Flogging the dead horse that we need more of it will only gain traction with a small number of fanatics and opportunists. Like a comedian with only one good joke, the audience will quickly dwindle. |  |
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| Tory party splitting at last? on 08:56 - Jun 15 with 1854 views | Guthrum |
| Tory party splitting at last? on 22:29 - Jun 14 by eireblue |
It would be a libertarian party,….meaning that people in the party would be entitled to do what they like without any state interference. |
So long as they or their friends are rich enough. Preferably with a habit of making political donations. | |
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| Tory party splitting at last? on 10:11 - Jun 15 with 1799 views | Darth_Koont |
| Tory party splitting at last? on 20:22 - Jun 14 by Swansea_Blue |
Although in fairness an old one nation Tory Party would be vastly superior to the useless fkers we’ve got now. But yes, Labour have lost sight of what their priorities should be because of their assumption they need to pander to the ever increasing number of rancid, racist twunks in this country. |
Personally, I am utterly shocked that a party and leadership that’s run by people like lowhouse and supported by people like Glassers turns out to be another right-wing party.
Shocked I tell you.
Add in New New Labour’s tireless commitment to low tax and low investment that will keep the London media pundits and chattering classes in the manner they’ve become accustomed to and the Overton window now spans centre-right to loony right, economically but increasingly socially too.
All of which does zero good for a hungry child in Nottingham, a worker whose real pay has fallen over the past couple of decades while all their costs have risen, or under 40s renters who have no other choice than pay off someone else’s mortgage until they can somehow scramble their way out. There’s just no room in our politics for them. |  |
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| Tory party splitting at last? on 13:33 - Jun 15 with 1657 views | HARRY10 |
This highlights the obvious flaw with PR. Assume these cranks do split off and form some bigots4bigots party and achieve a 5'10 share of the seats. They may be used to prop up the original Tory or stay out in the wilderness.
If they prop up a Tory government, 42% Tory 10% bigot - they will only be given 20% of cabinet seats. Meaning they will simply be out voted every time - as with the libdems in 2010-15.
All they can threaten to do is pull out and bring down the government.
Why do you think the assorted Trots (Momentum, SWP, RCP etc) do not stand on their own platform. Much as the ERG. Far better to try to control the larger party and steer it in their direction. Dishonest. Absolutely, but at least the 'crime' is being carried out in front of you, rather than PR where the government and your MP are decided behind your back in secret.
And therein lies the danger. Once voters realise the lack of accountability involved they become disillusioned, as with Brexit. There was ample evidence showing it's flaws. but as with PR, voters will bleat idiotic slogans as if somehow it will all work if they close their eyes and just belief.
Todays report should not be the end, but the beginning. the Lords needs a complete re-set, if only to stop incompetent scroungers like Dorries having access to the perks. For someone who has not been seen in Parliament since before Xmas it is an outrage that she should be handed this 'pension'. Remove all second jobs from MPs. How many current Tory MPs are being paid by kGB TV ? Tell the Speaker tp either sht or get off the pot. Deliberately lying in the house should carry an automatic suspension, but more importantly it should be made public.
Once second jobs are stopped it will see a stop to the culture of being an MP to help yourself, and be replaced with MPs who are there to help others.
Encouraging further corruption by PR and removing the right of local accountability will merely compound the faults we currently have. [Post edited 15 Jun 2023 13:37]
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| Tory party splitting at last? on 14:01 - Jun 15 with 1614 views | giant_stow |
The Guardian is reporting that Boris backers are talking about deselections for any MP who votes in favour of the Committee findings - I hope they mean it - this could actually get juicy!
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| Tory party splitting at last? on 14:30 - Jun 15 with 1556 views | jaykay |
| Tory party splitting at last? on 20:29 - Jun 14 by BanksterDebtSlave |
The really depressing thing is that they assume wrong!
What a time to be alive. |
i wish that was the case. if starmer looked as left wing as corbyn or foot ,leading up to the election the dirty tricks and smear campaign would start.blimey foot was vilified by his looks and dress code where as johnston is celebrated by his dishevelment looks in the press.
do a tory get in then turn right of centre but go left of centre |  |
| forensic experts say footers and spruces fingerprints were not found at the scene after the weekends rows |
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| Tory party splitting at last? on 15:10 - Jun 15 with 1512 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Tory party splitting at last? on 14:30 - Jun 15 by jaykay |
i wish that was the case. if starmer looked as left wing as corbyn or foot ,leading up to the election the dirty tricks and smear campaign would start.blimey foot was vilified by his looks and dress code where as johnston is celebrated by his dishevelment looks in the press.
do a tory get in then turn right of centre but go left of centre |
Absolutely appalling that Hope Not Hate and the EHRC joined the majority of the British Jewish community in the smear campaign and dirty tricks against Corbyn.
I'm sure they have a dossier on Starmer regarding his links to IRA terrorists, anti semites, Holocaust deniers and blood libelers just waiting to be released should he go slightly to the left of centre. |  |
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| Tory party splitting at last? on 10:33 - Jun 16 with 1297 views | Darth_Koont |
| Tory party splitting at last? on 15:10 - Jun 15 by GlasgowBlue |
Absolutely appalling that Hope Not Hate and the EHRC joined the majority of the British Jewish community in the smear campaign and dirty tricks against Corbyn.
I'm sure they have a dossier on Starmer regarding his links to IRA terrorists, anti semites, Holocaust deniers and blood libelers just waiting to be released should he go slightly to the left of centre. |
Careful with those molehills. Someone could trip up. | |
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