| CO2 emissions 10:03 - Jul 28 with 1331 views | nodge_blue |
Taken from the paper today:
Britain emits about 350 million tonnes of CO2 a year, while in 2021 China increased emissions by 510 million tonnes, to 11.5 billion.
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| CO2 emissions on 10:14 - Jul 28 with 1270 views | J2BLUE |
No chance. But we still have to try. |  |
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| CO2 emissions on 10:16 - Jul 28 with 1266 views | Herbivore |
Although China's emissions include things they manufacture for sale in the UK of course. So much of our emissions are basically outsourced because we do very little of our own manufacturing these days. [Post edited 28 Jul 2023 10:28]
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| CO2 emissions on 10:17 - Jul 28 with 1261 views | Darth_Koont |
They’re still our emissions. Just outsourced. |  |
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| CO2 emissions on 10:22 - Jul 28 with 1236 views | blueasfook |
| CO2 emissions on 10:17 - Jul 28 by Darth_Koont |
They’re still our emissions. Just outsourced. |
Agree to an extent, but China exports stuff to the whole globe, not just the UK. Plus they have a massive population so will have huge energy needs domestically as well. I read years ago that they built loads of coal fired power stations when they underwent their own recent industrial revolution and became a manufacturing powerhouse. And they are burning low grade coal which is mostly banned in western countries. The sort that emits the most co2 and other dirty by-products. |  |
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| CO2 emissions on 10:27 - Jul 28 with 1199 views | Cotty |
Bear in mind that we have outsourced a very large amount of our manufacture to other countries including China. Their emissions are our emissions. |  | | |
| CO2 emissions on 10:27 - Jul 28 with 1198 views | DJR |
| CO2 emissions on 10:17 - Jul 28 by Darth_Koont |
They’re still our emissions. Just outsourced. |
And, despite that, if you were multiply our emissions by reference to the respective populations, our CO2 emissions would come in at a hefty 7 billon tonnes. [Post edited 28 Jul 2023 10:39]
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| CO2 emissions on 10:31 - Jul 28 with 1169 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| CO2 emissions on 10:16 - Jul 28 by Herbivore |
Although China's emissions include things they manufacture for sale in the UK of course. So much of our emissions are basically outsourced because we do very little of our own manufacturing these days. [Post edited 28 Jul 2023 10:28]
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“Although China's emissions include things they manufacture for sale in the UK of course”
Only 2pc of Chinese exports are in respect of the UK. |  | | |
| CO2 emissions on 10:35 - Jul 28 with 1144 views | Herbivore |
| CO2 emissions on 10:31 - Jul 28 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
“Although China's emissions include things they manufacture for sale in the UK of course”
Only 2pc of Chinese exports are in respect of the UK. |
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| CO2 emissions on 10:36 - Jul 28 with 1141 views | Daninthecampo |
Their population is about 20 times that of the UK which slightly distorts the figures plus as already mentioned they manufacture alot of the world's goods.
But their emissions are likely to peak in the next 2 years as they're aggressively working towards reduding their emissions by 65% before 2030 and are supposedly ahead of schedule.
They already have nearly 50% of all solar panels in the world | | | |
| CO2 emissions on 10:42 - Jul 28 with 1108 views | DJR |
| CO2 emissions on 10:36 - Jul 28 by Daninthecampo |
Their population is about 20 times that of the UK which slightly distorts the figures plus as already mentioned they manufacture alot of the world's goods.
But their emissions are likely to peak in the next 2 years as they're aggressively working towards reduding their emissions by 65% before 2030 and are supposedly ahead of schedule.
They already have nearly 50% of all solar panels in the world |
That's my understanding too.
The thing is that, for all their obviously failings when it comes to human rights and the like, they do have the state apparatus in place to achieve goals that they set out. [Post edited 28 Jul 2023 10:43]
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| CO2 emissions on 10:45 - Jul 28 with 1090 views | Darth_Koont |
| CO2 emissions on 10:22 - Jul 28 by blueasfook |
Agree to an extent, but China exports stuff to the whole globe, not just the UK. Plus they have a massive population so will have huge energy needs domestically as well. I read years ago that they built loads of coal fired power stations when they underwent their own recent industrial revolution and became a manufacturing powerhouse. And they are burning low grade coal which is mostly banned in western countries. The sort that emits the most co2 and other dirty by-products. |
So we should stop buying their things.
We can’t have it both ways — but we’re spoilt enough to think we can. | |
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| CO2 emissions on 10:46 - Jul 28 with 1082 views | GlasgowBlue |
That's what Tony Blair said earlier in the week. |  |
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| CO2 emissions on 10:46 - Jul 28 with 1079 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| CO2 emissions on 10:35 - Jul 28 by Herbivore |
And? |
The UK is only a small market despite what those of English’s exceptionalism think. Thus we are only responsible for a tiny proportion of China’s overall emissions.
Up until Brexit we were still amongst the top car manufacturers by volume, but to have blamed our export markets for UK emissions would have been utterly daft. | | | |
| CO2 emissions on 10:49 - Jul 28 with 1050 views | Swansea_Blue |
| CO2 emissions on 10:36 - Jul 28 by Daninthecampo |
Their population is about 20 times that of the UK which slightly distorts the figures plus as already mentioned they manufacture alot of the world's goods.
But their emissions are likely to peak in the next 2 years as they're aggressively working towards reduding their emissions by 65% before 2030 and are supposedly ahead of schedule.
They already have nearly 50% of all solar panels in the world |
bUt cHynA iNt dOin nuFfin sO itS aWl a WaYst of tYm
Or something like that. Got to keep going and working with the international community haven’t we? There’s no choice. |  |
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| CO2 emissions on 10:49 - Jul 28 with 1050 views | Herbivore |
| CO2 emissions on 10:46 - Jul 28 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
The UK is only a small market despite what those of English’s exceptionalism think. Thus we are only responsible for a tiny proportion of China’s overall emissions.
Up until Brexit we were still amongst the top car manufacturers by volume, but to have blamed our export markets for UK emissions would have been utterly daft. |
2% of 11.5bn tons of CO2 is still a big number. China is the country we import most from, that this represents 2% of their exports shows what a massive exporter they are and how many other countries are essentially outsourcing their emissions to China. | |
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| CO2 emissions on 10:51 - Jul 28 with 1044 views | Herbivore |
| CO2 emissions on 10:42 - Jul 28 by DJR |
That's my understanding too.
The thing is that, for all their obviously failings when it comes to human rights and the like, they do have the state apparatus in place to achieve goals that they set out. [Post edited 28 Jul 2023 10:43]
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China is a hugely problematic country in many ways, but there is no doubt they are much better placed to pull off a rapid transition to green energy and decarbonization than large Western economies are. | |
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| CO2 emissions on 11:04 - Jul 28 with 1013 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| CO2 emissions on 10:49 - Jul 28 by Herbivore |
2% of 11.5bn tons of CO2 is still a big number. China is the country we import most from, that this represents 2% of their exports shows what a massive exporter they are and how many other countries are essentially outsourcing their emissions to China. |
It will be much less than that because you’ve taken 2pc of their overall emissions, not their emissions generated from export (ie. It doesn’t include domestic consumption).
I’m not of the don’t do anything thought, just more a pessimist- that we aren’t on track to meet any targets on a global basis, and resigned to the chaos that will follow. The projections for how early the Gulf Stream might break down I find particularly alarming. | | | |
| CO2 emissions on 11:06 - Jul 28 with 1012 views | ghostofescobar |
| CO2 emissions on 10:36 - Jul 28 by Daninthecampo |
Their population is about 20 times that of the UK which slightly distorts the figures plus as already mentioned they manufacture alot of the world's goods.
But their emissions are likely to peak in the next 2 years as they're aggressively working towards reduding their emissions by 65% before 2030 and are supposedly ahead of schedule.
They already have nearly 50% of all solar panels in the world |
And the Chinese buy more electric vehicles than the rest of the world combined (cue comments about how green EV’s really are…..) |  |
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| CO2 emissions on 11:26 - Jul 28 with 977 views | DJR |
| CO2 emissions on 11:04 - Jul 28 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
It will be much less than that because you’ve taken 2pc of their overall emissions, not their emissions generated from export (ie. It doesn’t include domestic consumption).
I’m not of the don’t do anything thought, just more a pessimist- that we aren’t on track to meet any targets on a global basis, and resigned to the chaos that will follow. The projections for how early the Gulf Stream might break down I find particularly alarming. |
I think you're right to be pessimistic. [Post edited 28 Jul 2023 11:27]
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| CO2 emissions on 11:43 - Jul 28 with 934 views | ghostofescobar |
Globally, fossil fuels still account for over 82% of primary energy use. China burnt more than 44billion tonnes of coal last year, more than the rest of the world combined. A long, long way to go. I guess the question is do we have a long, long time to change it? | |
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