| Presumably then, he's planning.... on 10:42 - Aug 18 with 2445 views | Darth_Koont |
Luckily that’s not Starmer’s position at all ... oh feck. |  |
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| Presumably then, he's planning.... on 10:51 - Aug 18 with 2436 views | noggin |
What does The UK actually 'produce'? (Apart from greedy, lying and cheating politicians) |  |
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| Presumably then, he's planning.... on 11:07 - Aug 18 with 2408 views | brazil1982 |
| Presumably then, he's planning.... on 10:51 - Aug 18 by noggin |
What does The UK actually 'produce'? (Apart from greedy, lying and cheating politicians) |
Manufacturing in Britain.
employs 2.7 million people – earning an average of £32,500
contributes 11% of GVA
accounts for 45% of total exports – totalling £275bn
represents 69% of business research and development (R&D)
provides 13% of business investment
Britain is the 9th largest manufacturer in the world by output.
Production includes Aerospace, car production, electronics, chemicals and pharmaceuticals, defence, food and drink (the largest division), plastics, steel, space technology and associated, textiles, basic metals, wheat flour, machinery.
Suprisingly more than one would think. |  | | |
| Lol (n/t) on 11:08 - Aug 18 with 2397 views | Bloots |
| Presumably then, he's planning.... on 10:51 - Aug 18 by noggin |
What does The UK actually 'produce'? (Apart from greedy, lying and cheating politicians) |
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| Presumably then, he's planning.... on 11:13 - Aug 18 with 2384 views | Swansea_Blue |
He’s a dangerous, ideological fruit loop. He doesn’t appear to have any understanding of the complexity of the work place. Not everyone can increase their productivity. And in some sectors, even if they can it can lead to dangerous consequences (cutting corners, H&S impact, customer welfare, etc., etc).
Oh for some sensible grown ups in charge. |  |
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| Presumably then, he's planning.... on 11:15 - Aug 18 with 2375 views | leitrimblue |
You peasants could learn a thing or two about productivity from the billionaire Rishi. He didn't get were he is today without hard work... |  | | |
| Presumably then, he's planning.... on 11:17 - Aug 18 with 2357 views | PassionNotAnger |
| Presumably then, he's planning.... on 10:42 - Aug 18 by Darth_Koont |
Luckily that’s not Starmer’s position at all ... oh feck. |
Oh congratulations, on a thread referencing an article on Sunak and his view on wage inflation you make the the first reply a whataboutery special to dig at Starmer (again)
It’s people like you that will increase chances of Tories remaining in power FFS. (Whilst demonstrating the same behaviors you cried about when people kept on digging at your Cult leader Corbyn) |  | | |
| Presumably then, he's planning.... on 11:28 - Aug 18 with 2324 views | leitrimblue |
| Presumably then, he's planning.... on 11:17 - Aug 18 by PassionNotAnger |
Oh congratulations, on a thread referencing an article on Sunak and his view on wage inflation you make the the first reply a whataboutery special to dig at Starmer (again)
It’s people like you that will increase chances of Tories remaining in power FFS. (Whilst demonstrating the same behaviors you cried about when people kept on digging at your Cult leader Corbyn) |
Or you could just highlight how Starmers position differs from funboy Rishis | | | |
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| Presumably then, he's planning.... on 11:38 - Aug 18 with 2286 views | PassionNotAnger |
| Presumably then, he's planning.... on 11:28 - Aug 18 by leitrimblue |
Or you could just highlight how Starmers position differs from funboy Rishis |
Why?
Starmer isn’t in power, hasn’t been part of the government trashing the economy and overseeing a real time wage cut for pretty much the entire public sector for more than a decade.
See this pattern repeating with the Tory supporters over the next 18 months, next level project fear and critising the potential new government for not being able (or pledging) to immediately fix the damage done by the criminals over the last 13 years | | | |
| Presumably then, he's planning.... on 11:40 - Aug 18 with 2284 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Presumably then, he's planning.... on 11:28 - Aug 18 by leitrimblue |
Or you could just highlight how Starmers position differs from funboy Rishis |
It’s early days yet pre-manifesto, but it sounds like as a minimum Labour will aim to increase workers’ living standards through the next parliament (should they get in). That would be a huge difference if achieved, even if pre-2010 pay levels weren’t met as wanted by the unions. It would be the polar opposite of the Tories’ erosion of people’s purchasing power year on year both directly through public sector real terms pay cuts and indirectly through their attack on the pound and businesses through bad policy decisions. | |
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| Presumably then, he's planning.... on 11:46 - Aug 18 with 2256 views | leitrimblue |
| Presumably then, he's planning.... on 11:38 - Aug 18 by PassionNotAnger |
Why?
Starmer isn’t in power, hasn’t been part of the government trashing the economy and overseeing a real time wage cut for pretty much the entire public sector for more than a decade.
See this pattern repeating with the Tory supporters over the next 18 months, next level project fear and critising the potential new government for not being able (or pledging) to immediately fix the damage done by the criminals over the last 13 years |
Strange how Swansea managed to highlight the potential differences so well ( see above) and all you can manage is this guff | | | |
| Presumably then, he's planning.... on 11:54 - Aug 18 with 2196 views | jayessess |
| Presumably then, he's planning.... on 11:07 - Aug 18 by brazil1982 |
Manufacturing in Britain.
employs 2.7 million people – earning an average of £32,500
contributes 11% of GVA
accounts for 45% of total exports – totalling £275bn
represents 69% of business research and development (R&D)
provides 13% of business investment
Britain is the 9th largest manufacturer in the world by output.
Production includes Aerospace, car production, electronics, chemicals and pharmaceuticals, defence, food and drink (the largest division), plastics, steel, space technology and associated, textiles, basic metals, wheat flour, machinery.
Suprisingly more than one would think. |
Trouble is 83% of UK employment is in services rather than manufacturing.
What most politicians don't really understand is that at the level of a national economy, productivity isn't a product of "how hard people work", it's a product of technology. It's quite commonplace for manufacturing enterprises to invest in new machinery and increase output per employee hour. But in services, the scope for increasing output via technology is generally pretty marginal - most of the value added in service industries is a simple product of human labour and humans labour at pretty much the same rate no matter what level of exhortation or labour discipline you subject them to. You can't magically make most service workers produce twice as much just by introducing a new machine.
If you say pay rises must relate to productivity and inflation remains high, you're basically just saying "get busy being poorer" to 4 in 5 workers. [Post edited 18 Aug 2023 11:58]
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| Presumably then, he's planning.... on 11:59 - Aug 18 with 2178 views | PassionNotAnger |
| Presumably then, he's planning.... on 11:46 - Aug 18 by leitrimblue |
Strange how Swansea managed to highlight the potential differences so well ( see above) and all you can manage is this guff |
What have I said in my post that wasn’t true?
If you actually cared what Labours position is then it is pretty easily available via a quick online search, instead you chose to join the deflection game that a lot of the Tory press and supporters will be doing quite a lot I think. | | | |
| Presumably then, he's planning.... on 12:07 - Aug 18 with 2145 views | leitrimblue |
| Presumably then, he's planning.... on 11:59 - Aug 18 by PassionNotAnger |
What have I said in my post that wasn’t true?
If you actually cared what Labours position is then it is pretty easily available via a quick online search, instead you chose to join the deflection game that a lot of the Tory press and supporters will be doing quite a lot I think. |
No ones mentioned anything about you not telling the truth. I asked you if you thought it might be a better idea to highlight the difference in strategy between Starmer an Rishi rather then just telling everyone they should blindly vote for the red team. You instead sat in the corner with your fingers in your ears chanting red team red team red team. Where another poster attempted to explain the potential differences | | | |
| Presumably then, he's planning.... on 12:18 - Aug 18 with 2112 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| Presumably then, he's planning.... on 10:51 - Aug 18 by noggin |
What does The UK actually 'produce'? (Apart from greedy, lying and cheating politicians) |
What does Norway produce apart from climate change and trolls? | | | |
| Presumably then, he's planning.... on 12:21 - Aug 18 with 2096 views | PassionNotAnger |
| Presumably then, he's planning.... on 12:07 - Aug 18 by leitrimblue |
No ones mentioned anything about you not telling the truth. I asked you if you thought it might be a better idea to highlight the difference in strategy between Starmer an Rishi rather then just telling everyone they should blindly vote for the red team. You instead sat in the corner with your fingers in your ears chanting red team red team red team. Where another poster attempted to explain the potential differences |
You didn’t “ask” me anything, you just said “ Or you could just highlight how Starmers position differs from funboy Rishis”
Strange how you directed/deflected at me rather than the poster who immediately called out Starmer though!?
Perhaps you could offer your own view as to who has the best/least worse policy now it’s clear to you what they both are? | | | |
| Presumably then, he's planning.... on 12:21 - Aug 18 with 2098 views | DanTheMan |
| Presumably then, he's planning.... on 11:40 - Aug 18 by Swansea_Blue |
It’s early days yet pre-manifesto, but it sounds like as a minimum Labour will aim to increase workers’ living standards through the next parliament (should they get in). That would be a huge difference if achieved, even if pre-2010 pay levels weren’t met as wanted by the unions. It would be the polar opposite of the Tories’ erosion of people’s purchasing power year on year both directly through public sector real terms pay cuts and indirectly through their attack on the pound and businesses through bad policy decisions. |
Well...
https://www.ft.com/content/30a8a3f1-c5ad-4b85-bb48-7b7de05470f4 |  |
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| Presumably then, he's planning.... on 12:27 - Aug 18 with 2063 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
He’s not going to do anything popular, they know they are toast at the next election. Scorched earth policy now, and as many dodgy contracts as they can hand out until they are kicked out. | | | |
| Presumably then, he's planning.... on 12:28 - Aug 18 with 2050 views | leitrimblue |
| Presumably then, he's planning.... on 12:21 - Aug 18 by PassionNotAnger |
You didn’t “ask” me anything, you just said “ Or you could just highlight how Starmers position differs from funboy Rishis”
Strange how you directed/deflected at me rather than the poster who immediately called out Starmer though!?
Perhaps you could offer your own view as to who has the best/least worse policy now it’s clear to you what they both are? |
Is that not asking you something?  Luckily for me I'm not a cheerleader for either. Though if you want me and others to vote red team, refusing to highlight their differences probably isn't the way to go. You seemed to get upset with the poster who suggested there was no difference between the 2. I thought asking you to highlight the differences was a pretty obvious and harmless request. | | | |
| Presumably then, he's planning.... on 13:31 - Aug 18 with 1946 views | LegendofthePhoenix |
"As a general rule, we need pay rises that over time are sustainable and that means pay rises that are focused on rewarding productivity increases."
So Rishi, how precisely do you measure productivity in the NHS? We can treat more people, rush them in and out, streamline the process. Do away with per-op assessments. In fact we can just stop doing Emergencies, we can leave those and focus on knee surgery, hip replacements, cosmetic surgery. We'd be super efficient, and we can leave all those difficult emergencies, mental health issues, cancer treatments to rot in the street whilst we just get numbers through the doors.
Then we can use the extra income we get to fix the collapsing building, replace the roofs that have holes with water pouring through, replace the 20 year old scanners and radiotherapy machines. It would massively improve our productivity, and you can then pay us all properly. What's not to like? |  |
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| Presumably then, he's planning.... on 14:18 - Aug 18 with 1877 views | Churchman |
| Presumably then, he's planning.... on 11:13 - Aug 18 by Swansea_Blue |
He’s a dangerous, ideological fruit loop. He doesn’t appear to have any understanding of the complexity of the work place. Not everyone can increase their productivity. And in some sectors, even if they can it can lead to dangerous consequences (cutting corners, H&S impact, customer welfare, etc., etc).
Oh for some sensible grown ups in charge. |
He’s an oily nobody of a man. Clueless. Bereft of ideas so clings to the old lies and fantasies the tories have worshipped for decades. Roughly:
1. The British worker is lazy and unproductive
2. The post war failure was the fault of the unions
3. The Civil Service ruined the sunlit uplands of Brexit. It is the dead hand (Francis Maude)
4. The private sector will do everything cheaper, faster, more efficiently (Francis Maude)
5. Small state, let people choose
6. Trickle down economics works
7. Create a pool of unemployed labour and business will regenerate it
8. Investment in infrastructure or anything else is a waste of money. If there’s a need, the private sector will provide
9. If people are poor, they should work harder or get on their bikes, get a second job. Poverty is their fault. It’s a choice.
10. There is one rule for us, another for the plebs. Privilege as it should be. The order of things.
Sunak is a weedy little man who will be off to enjoy his millions, wreckage in the rear view mirror. He doesn’t care. They’re out for years and know it. They’ve 18 months of taking what they can and ensuring the rump of the privileged come out ok. The warmth and comfort of the back benches for those in safe seats (a 100?) or those fine HoL lunches beckon for a few dozen others. The rest? Who cares.
Starmer may not be up to much but literally anything is an improvement on the current scum. |  | | |
| Presumably then, he's planning.... on 15:22 - Aug 18 with 1840 views | noggin |
| Presumably then, he's planning.... on 12:18 - Aug 18 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
What does Norway produce apart from climate change and trolls? |
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| Presumably then, he's planning.... on 15:26 - Aug 18 with 1827 views | J2BLUE |
| Presumably then, he's planning.... on 10:51 - Aug 18 by noggin |
What does The UK actually 'produce'? (Apart from greedy, lying and cheating politicians) |
Whining self hating expats |  |
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| Presumably then, he's planning.... (n/t) on 17:35 - Aug 18 with 1704 views | HARRY10 |
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| Presumably then, he's planning.... on 19:25 - Aug 18 with 1620 views | noggin |
| Presumably then, he's planning.... on 15:26 - Aug 18 by J2BLUE |
Whining self hating expats |
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