| They sold a team, and built a stand on 16:09 - Jun 4 with 5834 views | mutters |
I never knew Sir Bob was England B manager from 1978. |  |
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| They sold a team, and built a stand on 16:34 - Jun 4 with 5698 views | grow_our_own |
£1.5m in 1982 is only £6.5m today. Shows how much more money there is in today's game. That sum wouldn't decimate a lower Prem or most Champ clubs today in the way it did us. Also seems pretty cheap by today's construction costs.
Architecturally, the west stand isn't great. More obstructed view seats than in the Cobbold, despite cantilevers having long existed in 1982, but I guess was outside our budget.
Also its a giant, black tombstone for the pitch. Whoever designed the roof with zero skylight deserved to be struck off the architects guild. Cobbold predated it by 10 years, yet allows natural light to reach the pitch. Pretty much every standstadium built around that time and since has seen the light. I wonder why some of the black roof panels haven't been replaced with transparent ones by now. Saying that, its a sizeable stand and was designed with the foresight to leave space for retrofitting a row of exec boxes, which will finally be completed soon. |  | | |
| They sold a team, and built a stand on 17:21 - Jun 4 with 5454 views | flykickingbybgunn |
| They sold a team, and built a stand on 16:34 - Jun 4 by grow_our_own |
£1.5m in 1982 is only £6.5m today. Shows how much more money there is in today's game. That sum wouldn't decimate a lower Prem or most Champ clubs today in the way it did us. Also seems pretty cheap by today's construction costs.
Architecturally, the west stand isn't great. More obstructed view seats than in the Cobbold, despite cantilevers having long existed in 1982, but I guess was outside our budget.
Also its a giant, black tombstone for the pitch. Whoever designed the roof with zero skylight deserved to be struck off the architects guild. Cobbold predated it by 10 years, yet allows natural light to reach the pitch. Pretty much every standstadium built around that time and since has seen the light. I wonder why some of the black roof panels haven't been replaced with transparent ones by now. Saying that, its a sizeable stand and was designed with the foresight to leave space for retrofitting a row of exec boxes, which will finally be completed soon. |
£1.5m is worth £6m today !!
Are you sure?
My wages were only £4k/year and I bought a house for £10k.
They sold Paul Mariner for £150,000. What would the England No 9 fetch now?
However that is beside the point, it is only now, 40 years later, than the stands are paying for themselves and they want to pull them down !! |  | | |
| They sold a team, and built a stand on 17:38 - Jun 4 with 5372 views | Churchman |
| They sold a team, and built a stand on 16:34 - Jun 4 by grow_our_own |
£1.5m in 1982 is only £6.5m today. Shows how much more money there is in today's game. That sum wouldn't decimate a lower Prem or most Champ clubs today in the way it did us. Also seems pretty cheap by today's construction costs.
Architecturally, the west stand isn't great. More obstructed view seats than in the Cobbold, despite cantilevers having long existed in 1982, but I guess was outside our budget.
Also its a giant, black tombstone for the pitch. Whoever designed the roof with zero skylight deserved to be struck off the architects guild. Cobbold predated it by 10 years, yet allows natural light to reach the pitch. Pretty much every standstadium built around that time and since has seen the light. I wonder why some of the black roof panels haven't been replaced with transparent ones by now. Saying that, its a sizeable stand and was designed with the foresight to leave space for retrofitting a row of exec boxes, which will finally be completed soon. |
The stand was essentially built over the back of the original west stand hence all the girders. It was a bit of a monster, even when it was built. The lower section was of course standing. I first sat in the current version of it in about 84 (a 1-1 v Man U) in the upper tier. Not for me and I’ve sat up there only a few times since.
The stand is what it is. Old. The roof needs some attention, but how feasible that is? - only an engineer can answer that.the facilities underneath show their age and that is something they could do something about if they wanted to/the money was there. There’s plenty of space behind.
One of the key advantages of the west stand is space to wander at half time. Less so now with the fanzone which again is handily placed but presents a big opportunity for £££ for the club and good stuff for the supporters. [Post edited 4 Jun 2024 18:40]
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| They sold a team, and built a stand on 18:35 - Jun 4 with 5178 views | Swansea_Blue |
| They sold a team, and built a stand on 16:09 - Jun 4 by mutters |
I never knew Sir Bob was England B manager from 1978. |
Me neither. I also hadn’t appreciated why we got into trouble. I knew the stand was the root of it, but hadn’t appreciated the bottom fell out of the transfer market. That’s seriously bad luck, as since then players have only been getting more and more expensive/valuable (I suppose with the exception of the Bosman ruling and free transfers, but that can often be managed). |  |
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| They sold a team, and built a stand on 08:19 - Jun 5 with 4642 views | Help |
Funny how Ipswich has been hit twice when falling out of the top flight at bad times and paid the consequences on both occasions. |  |
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| They sold a team, and built a stand on 08:32 - Jun 5 with 4541 views | ArnieM |
| They sold a team, and built a stand on 08:19 - Jun 5 by Help |
Funny how Ipswich has been hit twice when falling out of the top flight at bad times and paid the consequences on both occasions. |
Not sure Id call it “ funny”. But it certainly underlines Ipswich is far from “ lucky” in the game. If you want lucky, look at how Leicester walked away from their debt and never suffered any consequences. |  |
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| They sold a team, and built a stand on 08:46 - Jun 5 with 4460 views | OldFart71 |
The saddest thing about the photo of the four Ipswich lads is that only Big Al survives. What a great bunch of players. No doubt the best in Town's history. To be honest the Pioneer stand was to blame for the demise. I must admit I always thought it was the building of the new Churchman's and North stands and the buying of Finidi George and Matteo Serini that caused administration and greater problems. But then in both cases it raises the need for a balance between the team and the stadium. Don't see the development of the Cobbold causing similar problems as not only is the backing of Gamechanger there but parachute payments are far more now. I believe it is estimated that Town's promotion is worth £170 million and whilst cost rise greatly it is still a significant amount and given that we have an astute CEO I can't see Town throwing money around like confetti. | | | |
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| They sold a team, and built a stand on 09:56 - Jun 5 with 4291 views | WeWereZombies |
| They sold a team, and built a stand on 17:21 - Jun 4 by flykickingbybgunn |
£1.5m is worth £6m today !!
Are you sure?
My wages were only £4k/year and I bought a house for £10k.
They sold Paul Mariner for £150,000. What would the England No 9 fetch now?
However that is beside the point, it is only now, 40 years later, than the stands are paying for themselves and they want to pull them down !! |
I make grow-your-own about right, if anything overstating the rate a little bit:
https://www.bankofengland.co.uk/monetary-policy/inflation/inflation-calculator |  |
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| They sold a team, and built a stand on 10:10 - Jun 5 with 4223 views | C_HealyIsAPleasure |
| They sold a team, and built a stand on 08:19 - Jun 5 by Help |
Funny how Ipswich has been hit twice when falling out of the top flight at bad times and paid the consequences on both occasions. |
Rebuilding a stand a theme in both too. When’s the Cobbold redevelopment going to happen then? 😬 |  |
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| They sold a team, and built a stand on 10:18 - Jun 5 with 4197 views | lurcher |
Did the stand really cost us? I have seen this idea deflected many times. The biggest issue was the quality of the players coming through from our youth team. We went from producing a crop of solid Internationals to Irvin Gernon and the like. Maybe Dozzell and Putney were the highlights, but we just werent producing players like Brazil, Burley, Butcher and Osman. |  | | |
| They sold a team, and built a stand on 10:22 - Jun 5 with 4184 views | Lord_Lucan |
I don’t necessarily agree with that.
I put it pretty much down to Ferguson. He may or may not have been a good coach but he was a bloody useless manager.
Also, it’s fair to say that the team had possibly peaked. The 78 side needed rebuilding and perhaps the 81 side needed some attention as well.
In 78 we got a bit lucky with Talbot financing the Dutchmen and also Brazil, Gates, Butcher and Osman coming through, we never had that flurry of youth coming through in 81. |  |
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| They sold a team, and built a stand on 10:26 - Jun 5 with 4164 views | WeWereZombies |
| They sold a team, and built a stand on 10:18 - Jun 5 by lurcher |
Did the stand really cost us? I have seen this idea deflected many times. The biggest issue was the quality of the players coming through from our youth team. We went from producing a crop of solid Internationals to Irvin Gernon and the like. Maybe Dozzell and Putney were the highlights, but we just werent producing players like Brazil, Burley, Butcher and Osman. |
Which in turn may be due to the departure of Sir Bobby and the subsequent fallow period in the scouting network that he used to bring fifteen or sixteen year olds down from the North of England and Scotland, give them a few years in the youth set up and then blood them early so they learned to sink or swim and got integrated into the team within months. | |
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| They sold a team, and built a stand on 10:27 - Jun 5 with 4157 views | BrightonBlue |
| They sold a team, and built a stand on 17:38 - Jun 4 by Churchman |
The stand was essentially built over the back of the original west stand hence all the girders. It was a bit of a monster, even when it was built. The lower section was of course standing. I first sat in the current version of it in about 84 (a 1-1 v Man U) in the upper tier. Not for me and I’ve sat up there only a few times since.
The stand is what it is. Old. The roof needs some attention, but how feasible that is? - only an engineer can answer that.the facilities underneath show their age and that is something they could do something about if they wanted to/the money was there. There’s plenty of space behind.
One of the key advantages of the west stand is space to wander at half time. Less so now with the fanzone which again is handily placed but presents a big opportunity for £££ for the club and good stuff for the supporters. [Post edited 4 Jun 2024 18:40]
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Regarding the roof of the west stand, I noted that the indicative masterplan included a translucent roof. Whilst it is only 'indicative' that is an unusual detail to add. I imagine there are plans to resolve the roof aspect in the west stand in the medium term, given the light issues it creates and also the sheer number of RV seats at the back. |  | | |
| They sold a team, and built a stand on 10:32 - Jun 5 with 4130 views | lurcher |
| They sold a team, and built a stand on 10:26 - Jun 5 by WeWereZombies |
Which in turn may be due to the departure of Sir Bobby and the subsequent fallow period in the scouting network that he used to bring fifteen or sixteen year olds down from the North of England and Scotland, give them a few years in the youth set up and then blood them early so they learned to sink or swim and got integrated into the team within months. |
We might have fallen a little short with youth selection and blooding. But the acquisitions of Kevin Wilson, Romeo Zondervan, Ian Atkins, Gleghoorn and Milton weren't bad. | | | |
| They sold a team, and built a stand on 10:35 - Jun 5 with 4108 views | lurcher |
| They sold a team, and built a stand on 10:27 - Jun 5 by BrightonBlue |
Regarding the roof of the west stand, I noted that the indicative masterplan included a translucent roof. Whilst it is only 'indicative' that is an unusual detail to add. I imagine there are plans to resolve the roof aspect in the west stand in the medium term, given the light issues it creates and also the sheer number of RV seats at the back. |
I was told that the club have recently looked into a whole new roof. Coupled with adding extra seats and a lounge at the back of the upper tier. The roof and the new lounge/seats could be part of a new structure on the practice pitch. | | | |
| They sold a team, and built a stand on 10:38 - Jun 5 with 4092 views | GlasgowBlue |
| They sold a team, and built a stand on 10:22 - Jun 5 by Lord_Lucan |
I don’t necessarily agree with that.
I put it pretty much down to Ferguson. He may or may not have been a good coach but he was a bloody useless manager.
Also, it’s fair to say that the team had possibly peaked. The 78 side needed rebuilding and perhaps the 81 side needed some attention as well.
In 78 we got a bit lucky with Talbot financing the Dutchmen and also Brazil, Gates, Butcher and Osman coming through, we never had that flurry of youth coming through in 81. |
Agree. A perfect storm of downgrading the manager and lack of quality youth prospects coming through. |  |
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| They sold a team, and built a stand on 10:40 - Jun 5 with 4080 views | WeWereZombies |
| They sold a team, and built a stand on 10:32 - Jun 5 by lurcher |
We might have fallen a little short with youth selection and blooding. But the acquisitions of Kevin Wilson, Romeo Zondervan, Ian Atkins, Gleghoorn and Milton weren't bad. |
True, they were good. But the transfer in of players like Mariner, Múhren and Thyssen were a class apart and if Robson had stayed we would have been able to carry on bringing very remarkable experience as well as introducing younger players. Maybe Bobby Ferguson does get the raw end of opinion when it comes to our past managers but maybe we should also be a little critical of the Cobbolds for not being more adventurous in seeking a replacement. | |
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| They sold a team, and built a stand on 11:00 - Jun 5 with 4016 views | Keno |
| They sold a team, and built a stand on 10:40 - Jun 5 by WeWereZombies |
True, they were good. But the transfer in of players like Mariner, Múhren and Thyssen were a class apart and if Robson had stayed we would have been able to carry on bringing very remarkable experience as well as introducing younger players. Maybe Bobby Ferguson does get the raw end of opinion when it comes to our past managers but maybe we should also be a little critical of the Cobbolds for not being more adventurous in seeking a replacement. |
bear in mind that Robson recommended another Ferguson to take over from him |  |
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| They sold a team, and built a stand on 11:24 - Jun 5 with 3937 views | ElephantintheRoom |
| They sold a team, and built a stand on 16:34 - Jun 4 by grow_our_own |
£1.5m in 1982 is only £6.5m today. Shows how much more money there is in today's game. That sum wouldn't decimate a lower Prem or most Champ clubs today in the way it did us. Also seems pretty cheap by today's construction costs.
Architecturally, the west stand isn't great. More obstructed view seats than in the Cobbold, despite cantilevers having long existed in 1982, but I guess was outside our budget.
Also its a giant, black tombstone for the pitch. Whoever designed the roof with zero skylight deserved to be struck off the architects guild. Cobbold predated it by 10 years, yet allows natural light to reach the pitch. Pretty much every standstadium built around that time and since has seen the light. I wonder why some of the black roof panels haven't been replaced with transparent ones by now. Saying that, its a sizeable stand and was designed with the foresight to leave space for retrofitting a row of exec boxes, which will finally be completed soon. |
I think you’ll find the West Stand stands between the sun and the pitch which is why it’s more of a barrier to daylight.
Building a stand that couldn’t be afforded may have led to the team going - but clearly lessons weren’t learned because not one but two stands were built at precisely the wrong time just two decades later - which resulted in the club going. | |
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| They sold a team, and built a stand on 12:32 - Jun 5 with 3745 views | monty_radio |
| They sold a team, and built a stand on 10:32 - Jun 5 by lurcher |
We might have fallen a little short with youth selection and blooding. But the acquisitions of Kevin Wilson, Romeo Zondervan, Ian Atkins, Gleghoorn and Milton weren't bad. |
Indeed they were a reasonable set, especially when compared with many of the fallow years that were to follow. But not one of them, including the mightily consistent Romeo, would have been other than a bench-warmer in most of that great decade. | |
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| They sold a team, and built a stand on 13:03 - Jun 5 with 3662 views | Lord_Lucan |
| They sold a team, and built a stand on 11:00 - Jun 5 by Keno |
bear in mind that Robson recommended another Ferguson to take over from him |
I think that's an urban myth | |
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| They sold a team, and built a stand on 21:43 - Jun 5 with 3409 views | flykickingbybgunn |
Clearly you did not live through those times. Don't believe everything you read on the interweb. | | | |
| They sold a team, and built a stand on 22:08 - Jun 5 with 3378 views | ArmaghBlue |
The linked story is exactly why we should strengthen the team significantly before expanding the stadium further. |  | | |
| They sold a team, and built a stand on 22:37 - Jun 5 with 3306 views | WeWereZombies |
| They sold a team, and built a stand on 21:43 - Jun 5 by flykickingbybgunn |
Clearly you did not live through those times. Don't believe everything you read on the interweb. |
I'm 69 mate...and I know how to use the internet to get to the Bank of England website, thank you very much. | |
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