| Infighting on the beaches on 09:26 - Jun 9 with 2137 views | NthQldITFC |
The part of that article that disgusted me the most was the image of Rees-Mogg sucking up to Farage. One disgusting cabal of socially and environmentally irresponsible sh!theads mating with another will hopefully only produce something which can no longer produce viable offspring, and a bright new dawn of green, stable, liberal politics will arrive just in the nick of time. (I think I'm still pissed from last night, actually) |  |
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| Infighting on the beaches on 09:31 - Jun 9 with 2125 views | Ryorry |
Brilliant article, cheers for posting 👍
Sunak clearing the stage to allow Starmer the opportunity to present himself to world leaders as incoming PM of UK -
"A diplomatic source, summarising the French view, said: “Doesn’t Sunak realise there is a war on and that Zelensky was attending? President Macron was going to use the occasion to make announcements about support for Ukraine ..."
"Neither Lammy nor Starmer was originally invited to the international event. But Lammy used his contacts to get them both admitted and his connections with Zelensky’s team to ensure there would be a Starmer handshake and photograph with the Ukrainian president."
And "Half of Tory ministerial aides have refused to join the campaign despite being ordered to do so". Wow. |  |
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| Infighting on the beaches on 09:31 - Jun 9 with 2119 views | Guthrum |
| Infighting on the beaches on 09:26 - Jun 9 by NthQldITFC |
The part of that article that disgusted me the most was the image of Rees-Mogg sucking up to Farage. One disgusting cabal of socially and environmentally irresponsible sh!theads mating with another will hopefully only produce something which can no longer produce viable offspring, and a bright new dawn of green, stable, liberal politics will arrive just in the nick of time. (I think I'm still pissed from last night, actually) |
Deregulationists sticking together. No rules to govern the methods and ethics of fund management, nor to make them pay tax. |  |
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| Infighting on the beaches on 09:33 - Jun 9 with 2108 views | Guthrum |
| Infighting on the beaches on 09:31 - Jun 9 by Ryorry |
Brilliant article, cheers for posting 👍
Sunak clearing the stage to allow Starmer the opportunity to present himself to world leaders as incoming PM of UK -
"A diplomatic source, summarising the French view, said: “Doesn’t Sunak realise there is a war on and that Zelensky was attending? President Macron was going to use the occasion to make announcements about support for Ukraine ..."
"Neither Lammy nor Starmer was originally invited to the international event. But Lammy used his contacts to get them both admitted and his connections with Zelensky’s team to ensure there would be a Starmer handshake and photograph with the Ukrainian president."
And "Half of Tory ministerial aides have refused to join the campaign despite being ordered to do so". Wow. |
That last only paints the same picture as the dozens of Conservative MPs stepping down at the election. Abandon ship before it goes down, don't get tainted by the debacle. | |
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| Infighting on the beaches on 09:46 - Jun 9 with 2073 views | Guthrum |
| Infighting on the beaches on 09:26 - Jun 9 by NthQldITFC |
The part of that article that disgusted me the most was the image of Rees-Mogg sucking up to Farage. One disgusting cabal of socially and environmentally irresponsible sh!theads mating with another will hopefully only produce something which can no longer produce viable offspring, and a bright new dawn of green, stable, liberal politics will arrive just in the nick of time. (I think I'm still pissed from last night, actually) |
It's not even that they really hate social responsibility or environmentalism per se. It's simply the case they see these things as getting in the way of them making money, therefore bad. With everything having a short-term viewpoint, remaining career length at most.
If investment in renewables, for example, was vastly lucrative, they would be very much in favour. It may become so, but does not yet have the size to rival established hydrocarbons producers. Plus a generation of eco-investors is only just beginning to emerge. | |
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| Infighting on the beaches on 09:52 - Jun 9 with 2054 views | NthQldITFC |
| Infighting on the beaches on 09:46 - Jun 9 by Guthrum |
It's not even that they really hate social responsibility or environmentalism per se. It's simply the case they see these things as getting in the way of them making money, therefore bad. With everything having a short-term viewpoint, remaining career length at most.
If investment in renewables, for example, was vastly lucrative, they would be very much in favour. It may become so, but does not yet have the size to rival established hydrocarbons producers. Plus a generation of eco-investors is only just beginning to emerge. |
Yes, and that's far more widespread than the T*ry party - the short-term, blind self-interest gene is heavily activated in many or most of us - it's just that the T*ries and their like are the most visible, most damaging and most deceitful tip of that suicidal spear so gleefully grasped by humanity. | |
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| Infighting on the beaches on 10:03 - Jun 9 with 1984 views | Guthrum |
| Infighting on the beaches on 09:52 - Jun 9 by NthQldITFC |
Yes, and that's far more widespread than the T*ry party - the short-term, blind self-interest gene is heavily activated in many or most of us - it's just that the T*ries and their like are the most visible, most damaging and most deceitful tip of that suicidal spear so gleefully grasped by humanity. |
As a friend of mine puts it, if humans lived considerably longer, there would be far less trouble, as people would take a much longer view of things and there would be more continuity between generations in the lessons learnt.
Not sure that's actually true, but I see the point he's making. History and old people are too easy for the young* to ignore, so they keep having to learn the same lessons through error.
* Or, more realistically, the early middle aged in the thick of building careers, families and developing practical political opinions. | |
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| Infighting on the beaches on 10:30 - Jun 9 with 1927 views | Herbivore |
| Infighting on the beaches on 09:26 - Jun 9 by NthQldITFC |
The part of that article that disgusted me the most was the image of Rees-Mogg sucking up to Farage. One disgusting cabal of socially and environmentally irresponsible sh!theads mating with another will hopefully only produce something which can no longer produce viable offspring, and a bright new dawn of green, stable, liberal politics will arrive just in the nick of time. (I think I'm still pissed from last night, actually) |
Sadly, the only thing Rees-Mogg is actually any good at is producing offspring. |  |
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| Infighting on the beaches on 11:39 - Jun 9 with 1835 views | Churchman |
Interesting article.
These people have absolutely no sense of right and wrong. None. They are governed by two things. Personal greed (money, using power to get it) and privilege.
They’re simple creatures really. The DDay disgrace had nothing to do with diary, PAs, calendar, election, busy schedule or anything else. He could see nothing in it for him. Ok maybe he didn’t like veterans, the French, Biden or the fresh air. Maybe he didn’t understand what DDay was.
When it came to it, it was about doing what’s right and since he and most of the rest have no sense of that, it’s not hard to see why he legged it and why they are loathed by the plebs now their true selves are so evident - the people they have directly harmed with their self serving ignorance and lies.
As for Reece Mogg, what an appalling stick insect he is. Utterly loathsome. The epitome of arrogance and stupidity. For the harm he and his kind have done I’d put them on trial for crimes against the state, even if it meant changing the law and applying it retrospectively. There is precedent for that. [Post edited 9 Jun 2024 11:49]
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| Infighting on the beaches on 11:46 - Jun 9 with 1812 views | Swansea_Blue |
I find it all a bit perverse/odd. He’s been utterly useless and the governments he’s been in have presided over the slow, largely self-inflicted decline of the UK. But leaving an event early (albeit a symbolically important one) is what actually shake people up enough to get upset/angry/complain. It was the same with Johnson and his Downing Street parties. It’s a strange quirk of our politics that major structural failures are largely ignored and people get hung for something relatively more minor). |  |
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| Infighting on the beaches on 12:12 - Jun 9 with 1743 views | Ryorry |
| Infighting on the beaches on 11:46 - Jun 9 by Swansea_Blue |
I find it all a bit perverse/odd. He’s been utterly useless and the governments he’s been in have presided over the slow, largely self-inflicted decline of the UK. But leaving an event early (albeit a symbolically important one) is what actually shake people up enough to get upset/angry/complain. It was the same with Johnson and his Downing Street parties. It’s a strange quirk of our politics that major structural failures are largely ignored and people get hung for something relatively more minor). |
Many (most?) people cba to go deeper into things, or out of self or vested interests turn a blind eye, but D-Day, the UK not being invaded by Nazis, & winning the war against them in Europe, is not a "minor" thing - it's deeply ingrained into the psyche of every age group in the UK, even kids, who've been quite rightly encouraged to take an interest in 'living history' via stories of their grandparents, greats etc. (and who enjoy watching films like the Dambusters etc etc).
So for any politician to foul that with clear disrespect to those who won it, a one-line headline & picture conveying an immediate impact of >1,000 words, is an own goal of epic fail proportions. It immediately crystallizes & brings to the fore the sheer lack of care & complete incompetence of the tories' administration of the past 14 years. | |
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| Infighting on the beaches on 12:20 - Jun 9 with 1722 views | Tangledupin_Blue |
| Infighting on the beaches on 11:39 - Jun 9 by Churchman |
Interesting article.
These people have absolutely no sense of right and wrong. None. They are governed by two things. Personal greed (money, using power to get it) and privilege.
They’re simple creatures really. The DDay disgrace had nothing to do with diary, PAs, calendar, election, busy schedule or anything else. He could see nothing in it for him. Ok maybe he didn’t like veterans, the French, Biden or the fresh air. Maybe he didn’t understand what DDay was.
When it came to it, it was about doing what’s right and since he and most of the rest have no sense of that, it’s not hard to see why he legged it and why they are loathed by the plebs now their true selves are so evident - the people they have directly harmed with their self serving ignorance and lies.
As for Reece Mogg, what an appalling stick insect he is. Utterly loathsome. The epitome of arrogance and stupidity. For the harm he and his kind have done I’d put them on trial for crimes against the state, even if it meant changing the law and applying it retrospectively. There is precedent for that. [Post edited 9 Jun 2024 11:49]
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Oi!
I used to have a stick insect. (Was in a consignment of fruit coming through Port of Felixstowe).
I am not happy with your comparison. |  |
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| Infighting on the beaches on 12:44 - Jun 9 with 1671 views | Churchman |
| Infighting on the beaches on 12:20 - Jun 9 by Tangledupin_Blue |
Oi!
I used to have a stick insect. (Was in a consignment of fruit coming through Port of Felixstowe).
I am not happy with your comparison. |
Apologies to Sticky T Insect, his family, yourself, your family, friends and the consignment of fruit. You all deserved better.
Is describing JRM at a stick insect shaped turd more acceptable? | | | |
| Infighting on the beaches on 13:36 - Jun 9 with 1618 views | Herbivore |
| Infighting on the beaches on 11:46 - Jun 9 by Swansea_Blue |
I find it all a bit perverse/odd. He’s been utterly useless and the governments he’s been in have presided over the slow, largely self-inflicted decline of the UK. But leaving an event early (albeit a symbolically important one) is what actually shake people up enough to get upset/angry/complain. It was the same with Johnson and his Downing Street parties. It’s a strange quirk of our politics that major structural failures are largely ignored and people get hung for something relatively more minor). |
People are indoctrinated to believe that the state of the country and their own economic position are just facts of the world. And we also have some of that American mentality of people not thinking they are economically deprived but instead are temporarily embarrassed millionaires. One of the biggest cons pulled by the likes of Thatcher and Reagan was to make people believe that if you work hard you'll get rich and if you don't get rich it'll be because you didn't work hard enough.
The truth is we live under an economic system that is based on exploiting the labour and consumer needs of a mass of workers who will only ever earn enough (or a little more or a little less) to sustain themselves, with perhaps a few small luxuries thrown in if they are lucky. We turn a blind eye to the fact that the UK is an incredibly wealthy nation but one where that wealth is increasingly funnelled to the top couple of percent while the country itself crumbles and regular folk increasingly struggle.
We don't educate people about politics, we infantilise political discourse, and we discourage critical thinking in this country. If we didn't, people would be way angrier and a system that only really benefits the elite wouldn't be so taken for granted and would be challenged. | |
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| Infighting on the beaches on 18:10 - Jun 9 with 1498 views | factual_blue |
I started reading that, but gave up before the end.
It's what rishi would have wanted. |  |
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| Infighting on the beaches on 19:06 - Jun 9 with 1431 views | jontysnut |
I know that he divides opinion but this from the article is telling - a politician trying to build relationships with a close neighbour rather than trying to play the Little Englander
David Lammy, the shadow foreign secretary, has spent months developing relations with the Macron administration, tweeting in French and writing essays for intellectual Parisian magazines. |  | | |
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