| If Tory austerity is bad but Labour’s version is ok.... 20:15 - Sep 12 with 6701 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
....what do we feel about Labour privatisation of the NHS? Just to get ahead of the curve! |  |
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| If Tory austerity is bad but Labour’s version is ok.... on 20:27 - Sep 12 with 4672 views | redrickstuhaart |
What a load of blx. |  | | |
| If Tory austerity is bad but Labour’s version is ok.... on 20:34 - Sep 12 with 4657 views | homer_123 |
It's already privatised bud. |  |
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| If Tory austerity is bad but Labour’s version is ok.... on 21:21 - Sep 12 with 4572 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| If Tory austerity is bad but Labour’s version is ok.... on 20:34 - Sep 12 by homer_123 |
It's already privatised bud. |
And leaking cash like a Thames Water pipe. Ever feel like you've been cheated! | |
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| If Tory austerity is bad but Labour’s version is ok.... on 21:32 - Sep 12 with 4547 views | WD19 |
| If Tory austerity is bad but Labour’s version is ok.... on 21:21 - Sep 12 by BanksterDebtSlave |
And leaking cash like a Thames Water pipe. Ever feel like you've been cheated! |
Met their Head of Fraud prevention last week. They leak £1.3bn per year.
The most incredible stat he shared was that their headcount has increased by 18% since before the pandemic but they are no more productive now despite the additional resource being tipped in. |  | | |
| If Tory austerity is bad but Labour’s version is ok.... on 21:38 - Sep 12 with 4524 views | DJR |
It's not austerity or privatisation, it's reform! [Post edited 12 Sep 2024 21:39]
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| If Tory austerity is bad but Labour’s version is ok.... on 21:44 - Sep 12 with 4512 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
Neither is OK.
It is a shame that the electorate can't be persuaded that the best way is to tax and invest.
At least, so far, our taxes haven't been thrown away on keeping their donors happy. |  |
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| If Tory austerity is bad but Labour’s version is ok.... on 21:45 - Sep 12 with 4496 views | Pinewoodblue |
| If Tory austerity is bad but Labour’s version is ok.... on 21:38 - Sep 12 by DJR |
It's not austerity or privatisation, it's reform! [Post edited 12 Sep 2024 21:39]
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But no extra money until it is reformed, how they going to reform it?
Listened to Starmer's presentation on Sky News not a lot of substance to it. |  |
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| If Tory austerity is bad but Labour’s version is ok.... on 21:52 - Sep 12 with 4450 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| If Tory austerity is bad but Labour’s version is ok.... on 21:38 - Sep 12 by DJR |
It's not austerity or privatisation, it's reform! [Post edited 12 Sep 2024 21:39]
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Fixing the plumbing! | |
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| If Tory austerity is bad but Labour’s version is ok.... on 21:59 - Sep 12 with 4384 views | DJR |
| If Tory austerity is bad but Labour’s version is ok.... on 21:52 - Sep 12 by BanksterDebtSlave |
Fixing the plumbing! |
One of their three aims is prevention, but a caller on LBC correctly said that withdrawing the winter fuel payment was anything but preventative. | | | |
| If Tory austerity is bad but Labour’s version is ok.... on 22:51 - Sep 12 with 4195 views | NedPlimpton |
| If Tory austerity is bad but Labour’s version is ok.... on 21:32 - Sep 12 by WD19 |
Met their Head of Fraud prevention last week. They leak £1.3bn per year.
The most incredible stat he shared was that their headcount has increased by 18% since before the pandemic but they are no more productive now despite the additional resource being tipped in. |
Have you got a link to back up either of those numbers? Would be interested to find out more |  | | |
| If Tory austerity is bad but Labour’s version is ok.... on 23:22 - Sep 12 with 4104 views | NthQldITFC |
| If Tory austerity is bad but Labour’s version is ok.... on 21:32 - Sep 12 by WD19 |
Met their Head of Fraud prevention last week. They leak £1.3bn per year.
The most incredible stat he shared was that their headcount has increased by 18% since before the pandemic but they are no more productive now despite the additional resource being tipped in. |
Not all of their leaks leak downwards. |  |
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| If Tory austerity is bad but Labour’s version is ok.... on 09:39 - Sep 13 with 3741 views | baxterbasics |
| If Tory austerity is bad but Labour’s version is ok.... on 21:32 - Sep 12 by WD19 |
Met their Head of Fraud prevention last week. They leak £1.3bn per year.
The most incredible stat he shared was that their headcount has increased by 18% since before the pandemic but they are no more productive now despite the additional resource being tipped in. |
Which highlights the current problem the gov is at least claiming it wants to address.
Throwing more cash and more personnel at it doesn't improve performance when it's badly run. Reform is needed. |  |
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| If Tory austerity is bad but Labour’s version is ok.... on 10:01 - Sep 13 with 3679 views | LegendofthePhoenix |
| If Tory austerity is bad but Labour’s version is ok.... on 09:39 - Sep 13 by baxterbasics |
Which highlights the current problem the gov is at least claiming it wants to address.
Throwing more cash and more personnel at it doesn't improve performance when it's badly run. Reform is needed. |
Utter rubbish. Most of the people in the NHs are hard working, smart people who are doing their level best in a broken system. What do you expect them to do when the equipment is broken and there is no money to replace it? When the roof leaks and the clinic rooms, waiting rooms and corridors are lined with buckets when it rains? When there is no space for patients to wait, to run clinics, for technicians to work on equipment, to store things, or to accommodate staff? When you try to recruit staff, there are no qualified applicants because the pay and working conditions are so bad?
This is nothing about a badly run service that needs reform. It is everything about decades of broken promises, under investment and government imposed targets that actually target the wrong things - short termism rather than understanding that continued investment is required, and some trust in the people who dedicate their lives to it. |  |
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| If Tory austerity is bad but Labour’s version is ok.... on 10:03 - Sep 13 with 3670 views | Blueschev |
| If Tory austerity is bad but Labour’s version is ok.... on 21:52 - Sep 12 by BanksterDebtSlave |
Fixing the plumbing! |
Efficiency, turnover, profitability? |  | | |
| If Tory austerity is bad but Labour’s version is ok.... on 10:03 - Sep 13 with 3667 views | giant_stow |
| If Tory austerity is bad but Labour’s version is ok.... on 22:51 - Sep 12 by NedPlimpton |
Have you got a link to back up either of those numbers? Would be interested to find out more |
Got a graphic in this story which partly covers them:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/crlrljjz884o |  |
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| If Tory austerity is bad but Labour’s version is ok.... on 10:40 - Sep 13 with 3580 views | brazil1982 |
| If Tory austerity is bad but Labour’s version is ok.... on 21:44 - Sep 12 by Nthsuffolkblue |
Neither is OK.
It is a shame that the electorate can't be persuaded that the best way is to tax and invest.
At least, so far, our taxes haven't been thrown away on keeping their donors happy. |
...such as ASLEF? |  | | |
| If Tory austerity is bad but Labour’s version is ok.... on 10:48 - Sep 13 with 3530 views | blueasfook |
I believe one of the planned reforms is a overhaul of the IT systems. The last time that was attempted - a program launched by Tony Blair's govt in 2002. It was eventually scrapped. But not before £10bn of tax payer's money had been ploughed into it.
It was written off as a lost cause by the coalition govt in 2011. |  |
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| If Tory austerity is bad but Labour’s version is ok.... on 11:02 - Sep 13 with 3462 views | Radlett_blue |
Starmer correctly realises that simply throwing more money at the NHS isn't the answer. Despite the derision about the Tories & the NHS, the amount of money spent on it has gone UP in real terms, as have the numbers of staff, but this hasn't been reflected in the numbers of new patients admitted & treated. Starmer has been vague about the details of his reforms, but they are long overdue & at least there is a chance that Labour will be trusted to undertake these reforms as we know the Tories won't be trusted. No other European country tries to operate a similar system, although most of these countries spend more government revenue per head on healthcare than the UK so if we want better public healthcare, we need to raise taxes & Starmer doesn't want to do that. |  |
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| If Tory austerity is bad but Labour’s version is ok.... on 11:06 - Sep 13 with 3449 views | positivity |
when was it ever nationalised | |
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| If Tory austerity is bad but Labour’s version is ok.... on 11:14 - Sep 13 with 3404 views | blueasfook |
| If Tory austerity is bad but Labour’s version is ok.... on 10:01 - Sep 13 by LegendofthePhoenix |
Utter rubbish. Most of the people in the NHs are hard working, smart people who are doing their level best in a broken system. What do you expect them to do when the equipment is broken and there is no money to replace it? When the roof leaks and the clinic rooms, waiting rooms and corridors are lined with buckets when it rains? When there is no space for patients to wait, to run clinics, for technicians to work on equipment, to store things, or to accommodate staff? When you try to recruit staff, there are no qualified applicants because the pay and working conditions are so bad?
This is nothing about a badly run service that needs reform. It is everything about decades of broken promises, under investment and government imposed targets that actually target the wrong things - short termism rather than understanding that continued investment is required, and some trust in the people who dedicate their lives to it. |
Maybe I have been lucky but my recent experience of using the NHS for an op I needed was excellent. From my initial appointment with a consultant to getting surgery was a matter of weeks (I was told I may have to wait many months initially). Aftercare has been great too. Can't fault it. Almost as good a level of service as going private. | |
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| If Tory austerity is bad but Labour’s version is ok.... on 11:26 - Sep 13 with 3356 views | baxterbasics |
| If Tory austerity is bad but Labour’s version is ok.... on 10:01 - Sep 13 by LegendofthePhoenix |
Utter rubbish. Most of the people in the NHs are hard working, smart people who are doing their level best in a broken system. What do you expect them to do when the equipment is broken and there is no money to replace it? When the roof leaks and the clinic rooms, waiting rooms and corridors are lined with buckets when it rains? When there is no space for patients to wait, to run clinics, for technicians to work on equipment, to store things, or to accommodate staff? When you try to recruit staff, there are no qualified applicants because the pay and working conditions are so bad?
This is nothing about a badly run service that needs reform. It is everything about decades of broken promises, under investment and government imposed targets that actually target the wrong things - short termism rather than understanding that continued investment is required, and some trust in the people who dedicate their lives to it. |
You say utter rubbish, but most of what you said doesn't contradict my statement. I said nothing about how hard working the people are, or that they aren't doing their best (although inevitably there will be some that are, some that aren't). We both seem to agree the system is broken.
That needs to be addressed before more money is hosed at it. | |
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| If Tory austerity is bad but Labour’s version is ok.... on 11:28 - Sep 13 with 3353 views | baxterbasics |
| If Tory austerity is bad but Labour’s version is ok.... on 11:14 - Sep 13 by blueasfook |
Maybe I have been lucky but my recent experience of using the NHS for an op I needed was excellent. From my initial appointment with a consultant to getting surgery was a matter of weeks (I was told I may have to wait many months initially). Aftercare has been great too. Can't fault it. Almost as good a level of service as going private. |
Some things they do well and some they do not, and geography can play a part too.
I've had some excellent treatment recently with a few issues I had, whereas my wife has had a nightmare experience, which has left her close to panic attacks at the thought of visiting the hospital again. | |
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| If Tory austerity is bad but Labour’s version is ok.... on 11:36 - Sep 13 with 3298 views | positivity |
| If Tory austerity is bad but Labour’s version is ok.... on 11:26 - Sep 13 by baxterbasics |
You say utter rubbish, but most of what you said doesn't contradict my statement. I said nothing about how hard working the people are, or that they aren't doing their best (although inevitably there will be some that are, some that aren't). We both seem to agree the system is broken.
That needs to be addressed before more money is hosed at it. |
would've been good if money was put into it when it was working better instead of being left to rot for 14 years.
it needs reform AND investment, starting with raising the morale of the staff by restoring their staffing levels and their pay. the chronic underfunding of public health for the last decade is coming home to roost and it's positive that prevention is being talked about again | |
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| If Tory austerity is bad but Labour’s version is ok.... on 11:53 - Sep 13 with 3251 views | baxterbasics |
| If Tory austerity is bad but Labour’s version is ok.... on 11:36 - Sep 13 by positivity |
would've been good if money was put into it when it was working better instead of being left to rot for 14 years.
it needs reform AND investment, starting with raising the morale of the staff by restoring their staffing levels and their pay. the chronic underfunding of public health for the last decade is coming home to roost and it's positive that prevention is being talked about again |
Money *has* been put in, more and more every year, with little benefit. That's the point.
Go find me some health spending charts and figs and show me where the cuts are. There aren't any. | |
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| If Tory austerity is bad but Labour’s version is ok.... on 12:01 - Sep 13 with 3222 views | victorywilhappen |
'feelings' not facts.
Again. |  | | |
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