| Was a draw a fair result? 12:17 - Sep 30 with 2268 views | ibbleobble |
I've seen this rhetoric a lot in the media with a skew that Villa had a few gears to go but didn't get into their stride and we worked hard for a point.
While we should be accustomed to a little media favouritism, shouldn't the rhetoric be that we nullified Villa for large periods of the game allowing them to create very little, made some intelligent tactical changes to dominate them second half and had the far better chances to take all three points throughout the game...deservedly?
We've been given praise by lots of people but it feels a little contrived at times. As we watch us with far more regularity than pundits do, there's a clear pattern emerging of how we're playing, which is challenging sides in this division and only part of this is down to hard work.
Even if you look at the basic stats, we doubled their attempts at goal and they didn't register a single corner. To me that suggests an imbalance. |  | | |  |
| Was a draw a fair result? on 12:18 - Sep 30 with 2243 views | BlueBadger |
Villa had the best of the first half, we had the best of the second, so, yes. |  |
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| Was a draw a fair result? on 12:21 - Sep 30 with 2217 views | homer_123 |
By their own admission, Villa were not looking to go through the gears.
In fact the oppositive. Emery and Watkins are on record as saying they were trying to slow the game down, keep control and nullify us, especially after taking the lead.
Apart from a spell in the first half, after their 2nd (?) went in, where we had a 5 to 10 min spell of chasing - we really worked hard and pressed in the right places.
So, Villa were not really looking to do anything other than control, slow the game down and not concede - they never really pressed for a third goal - maybe something Emery might take away? He either needs to improve they side of Villa's game or be a little more ruthless, even away from home?
On balance, yes, a draw was fair but the team that looked most likely to win it at the end, was us. |  |
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| Was a draw a fair result? on 12:23 - Sep 30 with 2193 views | Dubtractor |
My view is that we deserved to win. Even first half, when they had lots of possession, we created much the better chances. We did an excellent job of stopping them from creating decent chances over the 90 minutes. |  |
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| Was a draw a fair result? on 12:26 - Sep 30 with 2157 views | _clive_baker_ |
I think if it was a boxing match we would've edged it on points personally, as you say 10 corners to their 0, more attempts, more on target, we asked more questions of Martinez than they did of Muric for sure. They looked dangerous coming forward though which wasn't a surprise, a Champions league team who score plenty of goals, and with quality players. They're a little porous defensively and we managed to expose that a few times.
But given its not a boxing match, but a football match a draw was about right. Their group have been pretty honest about that to be fair to them, Emery & Watkins said as much in their post match. |  | | |
| Was a draw a fair result? on 12:27 - Sep 30 with 2142 views | Illinoisblue |
Trying to think what Villa created second half. A stinging shot from Ross Barkley. And the laughably bad free kick from the ex budgie. Was that it? |  |
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| Was a draw a fair result? on 12:29 - Sep 30 with 2106 views | ibbleobble |
| Was a draw a fair result? on 12:23 - Sep 30 by Dubtractor |
My view is that we deserved to win. Even first half, when they had lots of possession, we created much the better chances. We did an excellent job of stopping them from creating decent chances over the 90 minutes. |
My sentiments too.
They had the best of the possession in the first half, not the best attacking threat. We've already seen a few sides dominating the ball in our half but doing little with it. If Martinez doesn't make two excellent saves, they go in 3-2 down. | | | |
| Was a draw a fair result? on 12:31 - Sep 30 with 2085 views | norfsufblue |
If every shot on goal had gone in we would have won by at least 2..... thats what football is ultimately about, creating shots on goal..... do that more consistently than the opposition on a weekly basis and I think it'll all be OK. |  | | |
| Was a draw a fair result? on 12:31 - Sep 30 with 2084 views | ReusersTown |
| Was a draw a fair result? on 12:18 - Sep 30 by BlueBadger |
Villa had the best of the first half, we had the best of the second, so, yes. |
Did they have the best of the first half though? They had possession, that doesn't equal being the better team. From my memory we had the majority of the better chances. | | | |
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| Was a draw a fair result? on 12:31 - Sep 30 with 2088 views | Europablue |
It felt like a typical established team playing away against a plucky newly promoted team. They controlled the game very well without being too stretched and came in 2-1 up at half time, the took advantage of a poor defensive error, but they were clinical and we shouldn't have let Watkins score no matter how good the cross and how well he headed it. We worked very hard for our goals, but we didn't really make Villa do the same. Villa definitely looked like they had more gears to go through, but they never did because we kept our shape fairly well in the first half and nullified Villa for most of the second half and were worthy winners of the second half and needed just a little bit more, like a moment of magic to deserve the win.
A draw was a fair result.
By the way, I agree with the lack of media attention. They would much rather talk about failure or how amazing the top players at Man City and Arsenal are and don't even do their research properly.
I think gradually pundits will take notice, and 4 draws in a row against 3 very good teams coming in four different ways, is starting to get us seen.
A win against West Ham next week and they will be singing our praises. | | | |
| Was a draw a fair result? on 12:32 - Sep 30 with 2072 views | NthQldITFC |
I'm never interested in praise one way or the other. The cold hard stats and the 'eye test' say we are getting better and better. What judgements pundits or press come to is of only fleeting interest, and very little importance. |  |
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| Was a draw a fair result? on 12:35 - Sep 30 with 2021 views | Europablue |
| Was a draw a fair result? on 12:21 - Sep 30 by homer_123 |
By their own admission, Villa were not looking to go through the gears.
In fact the oppositive. Emery and Watkins are on record as saying they were trying to slow the game down, keep control and nullify us, especially after taking the lead.
Apart from a spell in the first half, after their 2nd (?) went in, where we had a 5 to 10 min spell of chasing - we really worked hard and pressed in the right places.
So, Villa were not really looking to do anything other than control, slow the game down and not concede - they never really pressed for a third goal - maybe something Emery might take away? He either needs to improve they side of Villa's game or be a little more ruthless, even away from home?
On balance, yes, a draw was fair but the team that looked most likely to win it at the end, was us. |
I don't agree that trying to slow things down means that they were just holding out for the win. I think Watkins just meant that they wanted more control of the game and give them a chance to shine rather than have chaos. It felt like we lost control of the game against Southampton in the second half, and they were very happy to make the game ugly, whereas we would have benefited from playing our football, which is generally very positive. | | | |
| Was a draw a fair result? on 12:44 - Sep 30 with 1914 views | ibbleobble |
| Was a draw a fair result? on 12:35 - Sep 30 by Europablue |
I don't agree that trying to slow things down means that they were just holding out for the win. I think Watkins just meant that they wanted more control of the game and give them a chance to shine rather than have chaos. It felt like we lost control of the game against Southampton in the second half, and they were very happy to make the game ugly, whereas we would have benefited from playing our football, which is generally very positive. |
...which, by the way, happens very infrequently under KM and Pert.
I struggle to remember too many games over the last two years where we've come out and lost our way a little, normally it's the inverse of that, which is a great hallmark of KM and Pert's tactical nouse, as epitomised yesterday. [Post edited 30 Sep 2024 12:44]
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| Was a draw a fair result? on 12:53 - Sep 30 with 1818 views | Pinewoodblue |
| Was a draw a fair result? on 12:35 - Sep 30 by Europablue |
I don't agree that trying to slow things down means that they were just holding out for the win. I think Watkins just meant that they wanted more control of the game and give them a chance to shine rather than have chaos. It felt like we lost control of the game against Southampton in the second half, and they were very happy to make the game ugly, whereas we would have benefited from playing our football, which is generally very positive. |
We wouldn’t allow them to impose their match plan on us in the second half, we controlled how the game was played, they didn’t end to end play they wanted to slow things down ,stop it being end to end. They failed to do it.
KMc out thought a manager who ho admires.
There is a massive incentive to win next Saturday, we could go above Manchester United in the table, and stay there when Man U lose to Villa. Perfect way to go into the next international break. |  |
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| Was a draw a fair result? on 12:58 - Sep 30 with 1785 views | Europablue |
| Was a draw a fair result? on 12:53 - Sep 30 by Pinewoodblue |
We wouldn’t allow them to impose their match plan on us in the second half, we controlled how the game was played, they didn’t end to end play they wanted to slow things down ,stop it being end to end. They failed to do it.
KMc out thought a manager who ho admires.
There is a massive incentive to win next Saturday, we could go above Manchester United in the table, and stay there when Man U lose to Villa. Perfect way to go into the next international break. |
I'd imagine that West Ham would prefer to play us away at the moment. Whether we score early or not, we need to keep West Ham out and give their fans the chance to get on the backs of the players and manager. The thing is, none of the teams in this league are so bad that they can't beat you on a good day, we just need to do our best to make it a bad day for them! | | | |
| Was a draw a fair result? on 13:01 - Sep 30 with 1750 views | HighgateBlue |
Yeah we had twice the shots on goal and 10 corners to 0. They had more possession, despite being away from home.
On xG, it was 1.18 to 0.82, which perhaps indicates that they would have been slightly unlucky to lose, and neither side was flattered by the draw. How did they score 2 despite the xG being less than half that? Well, good finishing/individual errors I guess is normally the answer.
I think we would have been slightly fortunate to have won, but not as fortunate as a couple of our draws! If it was cricket, where the score you get has many more gradations, maybe we would have won by a few runs. As a football match, I think an entertaining draw with honours even is a reasonable way to describe it.
If we can score more goals from our corners, great. But Villa are well set up defensively, and (as has been said a fair bit of late), surprisingly few goals come from corners. |  | | |
| Was a draw a fair result? on 13:04 - Sep 30 with 1718 views | rkc123 |
| Was a draw a fair result? on 12:23 - Sep 30 by Dubtractor |
My view is that we deserved to win. Even first half, when they had lots of possession, we created much the better chances. We did an excellent job of stopping them from creating decent chances over the 90 minutes. |
I think if either team deserved to win then it was us, I don't really buy that 'they were better in the first half' either. Other than their two goals, one of which was very much from a single defensive error, they didn't really create a lot of opportunities, I think our first half XG was higher than theirs, obviously suggesting we created the better opportunities, and they really didn't do anything in the second half. [Post edited 30 Sep 2024 13:06]
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| Was a draw a fair result? on 13:10 - Sep 30 with 1666 views | bsw72 |
| Was a draw a fair result? on 12:32 - Sep 30 by NthQldITFC |
I'm never interested in praise one way or the other. The cold hard stats and the 'eye test' say we are getting better and better. What judgements pundits or press come to is of only fleeting interest, and very little importance. |
There is just so much coverage these days, live footy, highlights, 24 hour sports news, phone ins, social media etc. It's a wonder the players have anytime to train outside of their "media" duties.
As a result of the above, these hours upon hours have to be filled with micro analysis of everything vaguely linked to the club, down to what the managers are wearing, the way they walk etc. Every kick, every foul and every card looked at in micro detail, with assmption upon assumption being made and reinforced only to be torn down by the next "expert".
I think the way to enjoy the game is to block out as much of the noise as possible - I watch live footy and some highights, rarely listen to podcasts and rarely read reports outside of on TWTD, as I think for a fan site the reporting is less biased than others, and I know the reports will come from those who watched rather than via Associated press blurb.
Finally, was a draw a "fair" result, probably - neither side was impacted by a poor refereeing decision and I think that while we were better than Villa, when needed their players like ours did what was required to prevent either side from winning.
Well - that turned into a bigger rant than I was expecting :-) |  | | |
| Was a draw a fair result? on 13:56 - Sep 30 with 1460 views | Churchman |
| Was a draw a fair result? on 12:18 - Sep 30 by BlueBadger |
Villa had the best of the first half, we had the best of the second, so, yes. |
I agree. A draw was a fair result though like the Flum game, they couldn't have complained if we’d won it.
As for the pro top six media and stereotyping the lower orders as fodder, I find it annoying, disrespectful and at the end of it a waste of time. It’s their prerogative and who cares what they think. I don’t follow us to watch Villa, Liverpuddle or Watneys Red Barrel United. As it goes the longer we are dismissed as cr&p the better.
Referees are a different matter. Villa were clattering our players elbows n all to smiles from the ref. Morsy touches one of theirs and in the book he goes. It’d be easier and save time if the ref booked half our players including Sam in the tunnel before they come out. It wasn’t a dirty game but Villa definitely had the best of the dark arts. |  | | |
| Was a draw a fair result? on 13:58 - Sep 30 with 1445 views | Trequartista |
A draw was a fair result, although if you had to award the game to one team it would be us. |  |
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