| Questionable / Marginal Decision Count For and Against 16:29 - Oct 27 with 10191 views | ibbleobble |
KM said there’s no point reflecting on questionable decisions as they even out during the course of the season. Let’s keep this thread going and add to it as the season progresses to see where it nets out:
AGAINST:
1 - vs Man City: Sam Alisson awards a free-kick for a Davis foul on Savio. VAR overrules and awards a penalty, which Haaland converts (VAR official: David Coote).
2 - vs Man City: Sam Alisson fails to award a penalty for a trip on Davis in the box (VAR official: David Coote).
3 - vs Everton: Michael Oliver awards a penalty for a trip on Clarke but VAR overrules it (VAR official: Graham Scott).
4 - vs Brentford: Lewis Smith awards a free kick and yellow card for a foul outside of the box but VAR overrules and awards a penalty, which Mbuemo converts (VAR official: Peter Bankes).
5 - vs Brentford: Lewis Smith awards Clarke a second yellow for a foul on the edge of the box and sends him off (VAR official: Peter Bankes).
6 - vs Leicester: Fatawu bundles Chaplin over in the box in the 77th minute without making an attempt to win the ball but Tim Robinson and VAR fail to award a penalty (VAR official: Stuart Attwell).
7 - vs Leicester: Phillips leaves a leg out as Pereira clears the ball and a second yellow is issued by Tim Robinson and Phillips is dismissed despite looking to pull out of the tackle seconds after the penalty failed to be awarded (VAR official: Stuart Attwell).
8 - vs Nottingham Forest: Szmodics leaves a leg trailing in the box and despite minimal contact, Jota makes a meal of it, goes down and VAR doesn’t overrule Matt Harrington’s penalty decision (VAR official: Matt Donohue)
9 - vs Bournemouth: Burgess heads the ball into the net but Michael Salisbury blows for a foul, an infringement by Delap when there seemed little to anything in it. No VAR intervention. (VAR official: Paul Tierney).
10 - vs Newcastle: VAR intervene in an offside call after Isak scores and after a 3-minute delay overrule the lineswoman’s decision allowing Newcastle’s goal to stand despite the initial angle looking offside and the line call very marginal. A precedent was set earlier in the season with such close call in favour of an offside ruling. Referee was Stuart Atwell (VAR official: Craig Taylor)
11 - vs Brighton: Joao Pedro clatters in to Walton after he’s played the ball seemingly with no intention to avoid the clash, slow his momentum or pull out of the challenge requiring Walton to need treatment. A yellow card was brandished by Tony Harrington when many feel it should have been a red (VAR official: Michael Salisbury).
12 - vs Aston Villa: Referee Robert Jones issues Tuanzebe a yellow card for a foul on Rogers after clearly winning the ball. The yellow is later followed by a second yellow, reducing the side to ten-men.(VAR official: Michael Oliver)
FOR:
1 - vs Liverpool: Burns on a yellow deliberately handles the ball on the ground when contesting possession with Jota but Tim Robinson fails to see it to issue a second yellow.
2 - vs Villa: Morsy tackles Onana and goes over the ball and despite being on a yellow card, gets away without a second yellow from Stuart Atwell (VAR official: Darren England)
3 - vs Chelsea: John Brooks awards a penalty after Delap goes through on goal and despite a stumble and the ball running out of play, he’s caught by Jorgensen whilst getting back to his feet and goes over for a penalty upheld by VAR (VAR official: Michael Oliver) [Post edited 16 Feb 6:02]
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| Questionable / Marginal Decision Count For and Against on 16:37 - Oct 27 with 6874 views | Garv |
Burns not seeing red against Liverpool. Not that it actually benefitted us in the game. |  |
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| Questionable / Marginal Decision Count For and Against on 16:43 - Oct 27 with 6846 views | ibbleobble |
| Questionable / Marginal Decision Count For and Against on 16:37 - Oct 27 by Garv |
Burns not seeing red against Liverpool. Not that it actually benefitted us in the game. |
Ah yeah. Forgot that little hand ball. Will add that as a For. [Post edited 27 Oct 2024 17:07]
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| Questionable / Marginal Decision Count For and Against on 16:46 - Oct 27 with 6797 views | FrimleyBlue |
Morsy somehow not being sent off.. was a plus. |  |
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| Questionable / Marginal Decision Count For and Against on 18:37 - Oct 27 with 6659 views | gringoblue |
| Questionable / Marginal Decision Count For and Against on 16:46 - Oct 27 by FrimleyBlue |
Morsy somehow not being sent off.. was a plus. |
Although the yellow card he got in that game was a result of Morgan Rogers kicking the back of Morsy's leg. We now know that should have been awarded to us as a foul by Rogers. |  | | |
| Questionable / Marginal Decision Count For and Against on 20:01 - Nov 2 with 6263 views | ibbleobble |
Updated with today’s two questionable decisions. In truth, I wasn’t expecting to make any so soon yet here we are again seven days on… | | | |
| Questionable / Marginal Decision Count For and Against on 20:22 - Nov 2 with 6154 views | GeoffSentence |
If he did say that they even out over the course of a season he's absolutely wrong. Some teams will come out on top, some will come out behind. |  |
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| Questionable / Marginal Decision Count For and Against on 20:25 - Nov 2 with 6140 views | pointofblue |
Being pedantic, as it still counted against us, but VAR couldn't intervene on the second yellows to Clarke and Phillips. | |
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| Questionable / Marginal Decision Count For and Against on 20:32 - Nov 2 with 6106 views | GeoffSentence |
8 sht decisions there. Tim Robinson features in 3 of them. He's pants isn't he.
The new Keith Stroud. | |
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| Questionable / Marginal Decision Count For and Against on 22:14 - Nov 2 with 5977 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
Going to be a cracking second half of the season when they do even out, isn't it? |  |
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| Questionable / Marginal Decision Count For and Against on 21:37 - Nov 10 with 5628 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
One for us today at last, although it was fairly clear (just like a couple that didn't get given by VAR for us). | |
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| Questionable / Marginal Decision Count For and Against on 21:57 - Nov 10 with 5532 views | ibbleobble |
| Questionable / Marginal Decision Count For and Against on 21:37 - Nov 10 by Nthsuffolkblue |
One for us today at last, although it was fairly clear (just like a couple that didn't get given by VAR for us). |
This is a list of all the wrong or very controversial decisions though. As you say, today’s was pretty clear so it doesn’t make the cut. | | | |
| Questionable / Marginal Decision Count For and Against on 07:19 - Dec 1 with 5081 views | ibbleobble |
Updated with yesterday’s relatively soft pen decision. | | | |
| Questionable / Marginal Decision Count For and Against on 07:58 - Dec 1 with 5012 views | tractorshark |
Agree about number 5 but VAR couldn’t intervene on a second yellow | | | |
| Questionable / Marginal Decision Count For and Against on 08:16 - Dec 1 with 4974 views | ibbleobble |
| Questionable / Marginal Decision Count For and Against on 07:58 - Dec 1 by tractorshark |
Agree about number 5 but VAR couldn’t intervene on a second yellow |
It’s more that it didn’t warrant a sending off than a VAR intervention and it changed the course of the game. | | | |
| Questionable / Marginal Decision Count For and Against on 21:40 - Dec 1 with 4723 views | Chris_ITFC |
| Questionable / Marginal Decision Count For and Against on 07:19 - Dec 1 by ibbleobble |
Updated with yesterday’s relatively soft pen decision. |
To actually do this properly, you’d need to consider if you’d add it in a vice versa way.
Yesterday’s penalty was annoying, but very much a penalty. If that had been Chaplin going down, I doubt you’d have put that in our FOR column. |  |
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| Questionable / Marginal Decision Count For and Against on 22:28 - Dec 1 with 4677 views | reusersfreekicks |
| Questionable / Marginal Decision Count For and Against on 07:19 - Dec 1 by ibbleobble |
Updated with yesterday’s relatively soft pen decision. |
Def a penalty |  | | |
| Questionable / Marginal Decision Count For and Against on 01:25 - Dec 2 with 4600 views | IPS_wich |
| Questionable / Marginal Decision Count For and Against on 22:28 - Dec 1 by reusersfreekicks |
Def a penalty |
I agree - we might not like it but the penalties for Man City and Forest don't deserve to be on the list - they were both sadly clear penalties. Does Jota make a meal of it - absolutely; but there's no denying Szmodics made contact.
The yellow to Cajuste shortly after was a much more egregious decision. | | | |
| Questionable / Marginal Decision Count For and Against on 05:37 - Dec 2 with 4535 views | ibbleobble |
| Questionable / Marginal Decision Count For and Against on 01:25 - Dec 2 by IPS_wich |
I agree - we might not like it but the penalties for Man City and Forest don't deserve to be on the list - they were both sadly clear penalties. Does Jota make a meal of it - absolutely; but there's no denying Szmodics made contact.
The yellow to Cajuste shortly after was a much more egregious decision. |
The penalty for City was over turned by VAR so it goes on the list given they stepped in to correct a decision in favour against us. The penalty for Forest could easily have been overturned as a free kick and a yellow for simulation but it wasn’t so that stays too. The title is “marginal decisions”. | | | |
| Questionable / Marginal Decision Count For and Against on 06:13 - Dec 2 with 4507 views | C_HealyIsAPleasure |
| Questionable / Marginal Decision Count For and Against on 05:37 - Dec 2 by ibbleobble |
The penalty for City was over turned by VAR so it goes on the list given they stepped in to correct a decision in favour against us. The penalty for Forest could easily have been overturned as a free kick and a yellow for simulation but it wasn’t so that stays too. The title is “marginal decisions”. |
You’ve included the City penalty on the basis it was overturned but earlier on the thread refused to do the same for the Tottenham one that was overturned in our favour
Those other posters are correct, there’s no consistency with your list and a few of the decisions against were ultimately correct. We’ve undoubtedly had some bad luck but skewing the list in this way completely undermines that argument |  |
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| Questionable / Marginal Decision Count For and Against on 06:42 - Dec 2 with 4488 views | TractorWood |
Saturday was clear. |  |
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| Questionable / Marginal Decision Count For and Against on 08:05 - Dec 2 with 4387 views | Chris_ITFC |
| Questionable / Marginal Decision Count For and Against on 05:37 - Dec 2 by ibbleobble |
The penalty for City was over turned by VAR so it goes on the list given they stepped in to correct a decision in favour against us. The penalty for Forest could easily have been overturned as a free kick and a yellow for simulation but it wasn’t so that stays too. The title is “marginal decisions”. |
No, it “easily” couldn’t.
There was contact and it was given on pitch, so it was never getting overturned.
If the analysis is that biased, this thread is pretty pointless, sorry. | |
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| Questionable / Marginal Decision Count For and Against on 08:08 - Dec 2 with 4382 views | bluefunk |
While the decisions were debatable numbers 5 and 7 against us and 1 for us can’t be reviewed by VAR, they don’t review bookings. Your original point still stands however. |  | | |
| Questionable / Marginal Decision Count For and Against on 19:28 - Dec 8 with 3996 views | ibbleobble |
| Questionable / Marginal Decision Count For and Against on 08:05 - Dec 2 by Chris_ITFC |
No, it “easily” couldn’t.
There was contact and it was given on pitch, so it was never getting overturned.
If the analysis is that biased, this thread is pretty pointless, sorry. |
I didn’t mean to say “over turned”, I meant to say could have been given the other way for simulation.
As I said, the point of this thread is to collate “marginal decisions” whether VAR or not. It’s hardly pointless given we’re 9-1 down and KM said at the start of the season, “these things even themselves out”….they’ve got a long to go to do that!
It’s also not weighted to show bias, merely to catalogue the seasons marginal decisions, whichever way they swing for an objective viewpoint in May. [Post edited 8 Dec 2024 19:30]
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| Questionable / Marginal Decision Count For and Against on 19:35 - Dec 8 with 3961 views | ibbleobble |
| Questionable / Marginal Decision Count For and Against on 06:13 - Dec 2 by C_HealyIsAPleasure |
You’ve included the City penalty on the basis it was overturned but earlier on the thread refused to do the same for the Tottenham one that was overturned in our favour
Those other posters are correct, there’s no consistency with your list and a few of the decisions against were ultimately correct. We’ve undoubtedly had some bad luck but skewing the list in this way completely undermines that argument |
I don’t recall a Tottenham penalty being over turned. Point me to it and I’ll add it if it was a marginal call whichever way it dropped. | | | |
| Questionable / Marginal Decision Count For and Against on 19:43 - Dec 8 with 3908 views | pelles321 |
| Questionable / Marginal Decision Count For and Against on 19:35 - Dec 8 by ibbleobble |
I don’t recall a Tottenham penalty being over turned. Point me to it and I’ll add it if it was a marginal call whichever way it dropped. |
In the Tottenham game we had two decisions go in our favour. The first was when VAR intervened to disallow Solanke’s goal for handball. The second was VAR reviewing a possible handball against Davis and deciding it was not a penalty.
I haven’t seen Bournemouth’s penalty appeal in the first half back (from which they hit the post from).VAR didn’t intervene although Bournemouth thought it was a penalty. |  | | |
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