| Subs 06:29 - Apr 3 with 3029 views | WolfieAtTheBack |
What a game last night, bloody brilliant. If we can really tonk Wolves on Saturday you just never know do you.
However, should we not be keeping Encisco and Delap on for 90 mins win, lose or draw given the fact they are our best players and neither will be here next season so we get everything out of it that we can whilst performing the great escape? [Post edited 3 Apr 6:31]
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| Subs on 06:37 - Apr 3 with 2738 views | ArnieM |
McKenna is Mr Tinkerman. He really needs to STICK with last nights team for the rest of the season, but of course he won’t. That back four is our strongest defensive unit. He’ll probably rip it up for the Wolves game. |  |
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| Subs on 06:51 - Apr 3 with 2690 views | BarcaBlue |
They were clearly knackered, the front 3 put in a real shift, Delap and Enciso in particular. Leaving them on would make little sense when they were flagging and at risk of injury. |  | | |
| Subs on 07:11 - Apr 3 with 2581 views | BlueBadger |
| Subs on 06:37 - Apr 3 by ArnieM |
McKenna is Mr Tinkerman. He really needs to STICK with last nights team for the rest of the season, but of course he won’t. That back four is our strongest defensive unit. He’ll probably rip it up for the Wolves game. |
As many others have pointed out, our success was built upon a consistent, solid side.
Which he haven't be able to field this year due to a horrific injury list and some not being able to meet the standards demanded.
Cookie isn't coming back Arn, he isn't coming back. |  |
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| Subs on 07:18 - Apr 3 with 2530 views | BarcaBlue |
| Subs on 06:37 - Apr 3 by ArnieM |
McKenna is Mr Tinkerman. He really needs to STICK with last nights team for the rest of the season, but of course he won’t. That back four is our strongest defensive unit. He’ll probably rip it up for the Wolves game. |
So you'd have Johnson over Hutchinson, Morsy over Phillips for the rest of the season? You've been moaning that we don't try mixing things up, not having Plan B, playing Hirst with Delap yet accuse him of tinkering.
We're third in the table for injuries in the Premier this season, replacing injured players and managing those who might be close to the limit isn't tinkering. | | | |
| Subs on 07:19 - Apr 3 with 2524 views | Nutkins_Return |
| Subs on 07:11 - Apr 3 by BlueBadger |
As many others have pointed out, our success was built upon a consistent, solid side.
Which he haven't be able to field this year due to a horrific injury list and some not being able to meet the standards demanded.
Cookie isn't coming back Arn, he isn't coming back. |
Agree. And it was built on rotating/ bringing on fresh forwards after 60-65 mins. McKenna has held on a bit longer if anything this season but it's critical to the way we play to keep pressing and apply pressure rather than falling deeper and deeper which can still happen at this level even with the fresh legs. It's why we had so many late goals etc last season. | |
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| Subs on 07:21 - Apr 3 with 2514 views | WolfieAtTheBack |
| Subs on 06:51 - Apr 3 by BarcaBlue |
They were clearly knackered, the front 3 put in a real shift, Delap and Enciso in particular. Leaving them on would make little sense when they were flagging and at risk of injury. |
Maybe I am not up with the modern game, but, at 2-1 up in a relegation battle I would want to keep the best players on the pitch regardless of fatigue just to have that presence about them on the pitch.
Bournemouth did not enjoy playing Delap, he was brilliant last night and whatever he goes on to do in his career fair play to him, he is a top top player.
If we were 2-0 down and relegated last night, by all mean bring on the full subs and get them some game time. | | | |
| Subs on 07:26 - Apr 3 with 2483 views | BarcaBlue |
| Subs on 07:21 - Apr 3 by WolfieAtTheBack |
Maybe I am not up with the modern game, but, at 2-1 up in a relegation battle I would want to keep the best players on the pitch regardless of fatigue just to have that presence about them on the pitch.
Bournemouth did not enjoy playing Delap, he was brilliant last night and whatever he goes on to do in his career fair play to him, he is a top top player.
If we were 2-0 down and relegated last night, by all mean bring on the full subs and get them some game time. |
The subs weren't down to give out game time but to manage the pressure and intensity. Keeping on fatigued players would not have helped regardless of how good they are at the start of the match. | | | |
| Subs on 07:30 - Apr 3 with 2470 views | EastTownBlue |
| Subs on 06:51 - Apr 3 by BarcaBlue |
They were clearly knackered, the front 3 put in a real shift, Delap and Enciso in particular. Leaving them on would make little sense when they were flagging and at risk of injury. |
Plus there is another match on Saturday that will have come into consideration. | | | |
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| Subs on 07:41 - Apr 3 with 2379 views | bsw72 |
| Subs on 06:51 - Apr 3 by BarcaBlue |
They were clearly knackered, the front 3 put in a real shift, Delap and Enciso in particular. Leaving them on would make little sense when they were flagging and at risk of injury. |
Not to mention that Delap is on 9 yellow cards, if he gets his 10th before the Arsenal game we lose him for 2 matches. Tired players make mistakes, including mis-timed challenges.
Encisco is still coming back from a knee injury and has to be managed.
These players aren’t robots and their body/workload has to be controlled for the best of them and the team in the mid to long term. |  | | |
| Subs on 07:49 - Apr 3 with 2324 views | bsw72 |
| Subs on 07:11 - Apr 3 by BlueBadger |
As many others have pointed out, our success was built upon a consistent, solid side.
Which he haven't be able to field this year due to a horrific injury list and some not being able to meet the standards demanded.
Cookie isn't coming back Arn, he isn't coming back. |
Our success was built on a core of 14-15 players who would easily switch between starting XI and subs, with changes coming at around 65 mins.
We were incredibly lucky with the lack of serious injuries in the last couple of seasons combined with a squad which had 15+ players who you could argue could be in the starting XI of in most Champ sides.
This season our injuries have been severe and our comparative squad depth to the rest of the division is light.
Considering everything, the fact we are above Southampton is credit to McKenna and the players who have had to learn and develop pretty quickly.
EDIT: Changed first line due to misinterpretation. [Post edited 3 Apr 7:55]
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| Subs on 07:50 - Apr 3 with 2299 views | BlueBadger |
| Subs on 07:49 - Apr 3 by bsw72 |
Our success was built on a core of 14-15 players who would easily switch between starting XI and subs, with changes coming at around 65 mins.
We were incredibly lucky with the lack of serious injuries in the last couple of seasons combined with a squad which had 15+ players who you could argue could be in the starting XI of in most Champ sides.
This season our injuries have been severe and our comparative squad depth to the rest of the division is light.
Considering everything, the fact we are above Southampton is credit to McKenna and the players who have had to learn and develop pretty quickly.
EDIT: Changed first line due to misinterpretation. [Post edited 3 Apr 7:55]
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| Subs on 07:54 - Apr 3 with 2257 views | bsw72 |
| Subs on 07:50 - Apr 3 by BlueBadger |
'A core of 14-15 players' IS a settled side. |
Fair enough. My interpretation of settled side is same starting XI, but you’re right. I’ve deleted the first sentence as we are saying the same thing. [Post edited 3 Apr 7:55]
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| Subs on 07:54 - Apr 3 with 2239 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Subs on 07:21 - Apr 3 by WolfieAtTheBack |
Maybe I am not up with the modern game, but, at 2-1 up in a relegation battle I would want to keep the best players on the pitch regardless of fatigue just to have that presence about them on the pitch.
Bournemouth did not enjoy playing Delap, he was brilliant last night and whatever he goes on to do in his career fair play to him, he is a top top player.
If we were 2-0 down and relegated last night, by all mean bring on the full subs and get them some game time. |
"regardless of fatigue"
You're not up with the modern game, or any era of game frankly. |  |
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| Subs on 08:39 - Apr 3 with 2048 views | WolfieAtTheBack |
| Subs on 07:54 - Apr 3 by The_Flashing_Smile |
"regardless of fatigue"
You're not up with the modern game, or any era of game frankly. |
That's me told, Thank you kindly. | | | |
| Subs on 09:00 - Apr 3 with 1964 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
I like your username though! | |
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| Subs on 09:21 - Apr 3 with 1855 views | FifeITFC |
| Subs on 07:21 - Apr 3 by WolfieAtTheBack |
Maybe I am not up with the modern game, but, at 2-1 up in a relegation battle I would want to keep the best players on the pitch regardless of fatigue just to have that presence about them on the pitch.
Bournemouth did not enjoy playing Delap, he was brilliant last night and whatever he goes on to do in his career fair play to him, he is a top top player.
If we were 2-0 down and relegated last night, by all mean bring on the full subs and get them some game time. |
So what would you say if Delap, Ensico stayed on. But because they were knackered etc, they couldn't track back or did something that resulted in a goal because they were running on empty and not able to maintain the stamina levels and we lost the game etc?
Would that be OK or would you complain we didn't have a fresh pair of legs that could maintain the intensity levels required? |  |
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| Subs on 09:23 - Apr 3 with 1842 views | TRUE_BLUE123 |
| Subs on 06:37 - Apr 3 by ArnieM |
McKenna is Mr Tinkerman. He really needs to STICK with last nights team for the rest of the season, but of course he won’t. That back four is our strongest defensive unit. He’ll probably rip it up for the Wolves game. |
After a win, some people really want to come on here and moan and jab at Mckenna. Its pathetic it really is.
He tinkered with the team last night and we won. So if we didnt tinker we wouldn't have got that result last night? |  |
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| Subs on 09:47 - Apr 3 with 1742 views | Guthrum |
The last three years have taught us that McKenna's 60-70th minute substitutions are of a similar standard to those they are replacing and that the latter are told to put in extra effort knowing they won't have to last the whole game.
Do we no longer trust Hirst to do Delap's job (which he pretty successfully accomplished last night)? |  |
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| Subs on 12:01 - Apr 3 with 1485 views | TractorFrog |
| Subs on 07:18 - Apr 3 by BarcaBlue |
So you'd have Johnson over Hutchinson, Morsy over Phillips for the rest of the season? You've been moaning that we don't try mixing things up, not having Plan B, playing Hirst with Delap yet accuse him of tinkering.
We're third in the table for injuries in the Premier this season, replacing injured players and managing those who might be close to the limit isn't tinkering. |
I think yes to those first two. We have consistently got better results with Morsy than with Phillips, and Johnson is perhaps the weakest link of the team but he is the only one that can play that role and not look out of position. I wish Burns or Ogbene were available to play there but without them, it has to be Johnson. |  |
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| Subs on 12:16 - Apr 3 with 1433 views | Radlett_blue |
| Subs on 07:21 - Apr 3 by WolfieAtTheBack |
Maybe I am not up with the modern game, but, at 2-1 up in a relegation battle I would want to keep the best players on the pitch regardless of fatigue just to have that presence about them on the pitch.
Bournemouth did not enjoy playing Delap, he was brilliant last night and whatever he goes on to do in his career fair play to him, he is a top top player.
If we were 2-0 down and relegated last night, by all mean bring on the full subs and get them some game time. |
If anything, McKenna tends to delay his substitutions too long, especially if the game is going OK. I think this is partly because our bench players generally aren't as good as the ones they are replacing, but I have seen a large number of what look like reactive substitutions, just after we have conceded a goal that we could see was coming. |  |
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| Subs on 12:51 - Apr 3 with 1336 views | ArnieM |
| Subs on 07:18 - Apr 3 by BarcaBlue |
So you'd have Johnson over Hutchinson, Morsy over Phillips for the rest of the season? You've been moaning that we don't try mixing things up, not having Plan B, playing Hirst with Delap yet accuse him of tinkering.
We're third in the table for injuries in the Premier this season, replacing injured players and managing those who might be close to the limit isn't tinkering. |
There's tinkering, and there's tinkering isn't there. Changing 5-6 players every game is on the heavy side of tinkering ..changing 1-2 is trying something different. But to be at this stage of the season , and still making wholesale changes , suggests to me he still doesn't know his best side . Surely you'd agree that changing 5-6 players just about every game is not going to help continuity ?
I wonder if he'll change again, for Sat , what was a very good solid defensive unit last night? | |
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| Subs on 12:54 - Apr 3 with 1325 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Subs on 12:51 - Apr 3 by ArnieM |
There's tinkering, and there's tinkering isn't there. Changing 5-6 players every game is on the heavy side of tinkering ..changing 1-2 is trying something different. But to be at this stage of the season , and still making wholesale changes , suggests to me he still doesn't know his best side . Surely you'd agree that changing 5-6 players just about every game is not going to help continuity ?
I wonder if he'll change again, for Sat , what was a very good solid defensive unit last night? |
But most of his changes are enforced. Without the injuries we probably would have a settled side! | |
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| Subs on 12:56 - Apr 3 with 1315 views | BarcaBlue |
| Subs on 12:51 - Apr 3 by ArnieM |
There's tinkering, and there's tinkering isn't there. Changing 5-6 players every game is on the heavy side of tinkering ..changing 1-2 is trying something different. But to be at this stage of the season , and still making wholesale changes , suggests to me he still doesn't know his best side . Surely you'd agree that changing 5-6 players just about every game is not going to help continuity ?
I wonder if he'll change again, for Sat , what was a very good solid defensive unit last night? |
We haven't been changing 5 to 6 players from match to match. | | | |
| Subs on 13:00 - Apr 3 with 1291 views | Kieran_Knows |
| Subs on 07:18 - Apr 3 by BarcaBlue |
So you'd have Johnson over Hutchinson, Morsy over Phillips for the rest of the season? You've been moaning that we don't try mixing things up, not having Plan B, playing Hirst with Delap yet accuse him of tinkering.
We're third in the table for injuries in the Premier this season, replacing injured players and managing those who might be close to the limit isn't tinkering. |
I agree with the wider point, but I would definitely rather see Morsy start over Phillips for every game going forward. |  |
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| Subs on 13:48 - Apr 3 with 1160 views | LeightonBuzzardBlue |
I have to say, I thought the subs yesterday we pretty spot on bar bringing on Philogene when we were so pinned back (we almost suffered the consequence of that decision).
Special shout out to both Jacks - I thought they came on and played really, really maturely and sensibly |  | | |
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