| Birmingham trying to do an ipswich 07:13 - Jul 7 with 3069 views | BondiBlue |
I wonder if they're accidentally doing a 24-25 ipswich instead of a 23-24 ipswich though. |  |
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| Birmingham trying to do an ipswich on 10:02 - Jul 7 with 2582 views | Rimsy |
It never works, wholesale changes. Our Championship year was a continuation with the odd addition. Birmingham will find it much harder than they're thinking. |  |
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| Birmingham trying to do an ipswich on 10:06 - Jul 7 with 2545 views | squiz |
| Birmingham trying to do an ipswich on 10:02 - Jul 7 by Rimsy |
It never works, wholesale changes. Our Championship year was a continuation with the odd addition. Birmingham will find it much harder than they're thinking. |
We hope.... |  | | |
| Birmingham trying to do an ipswich on 10:16 - Jul 7 with 2476 views | itfcsuth |
You cannot deny individually they are bringing in real good players, some of which I would take here, Kyogo & T.Doyle, as well as Iwata & Stansfield who I would also take.
But there of course is a list as long as time that shows wholesale turnover of squads are quite difficult to hit the ground running, I think we saw it a little last year, I remember Forest being the same in their first year of the PL, I also distinctively remember ourselves doing it in L1 under Paul Cook, individually had real top L1 players that didn't hit the ground running.
Their business looks strong, will be fascinating to see how it unfolds. |  | | |
| Birmingham trying to do an ipswich on 10:20 - Jul 7 with 2426 views | Sarge |
They seem to be buying players who on paper are at least cut out for this level if not perhaps too good. They don’t seem to be cherry picking the best talent from the division below and hoping they can make the step up so currently it’s probably more like 22-23 than 24-25. [Post edited 7 Jul 10:21]
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| Birmingham trying to do an ipswich on 10:23 - Jul 7 with 2404 views | Smoresy |
| Birmingham trying to do an ipswich on 10:02 - Jul 7 by Rimsy |
It never works, wholesale changes. Our Championship year was a continuation with the odd addition. Birmingham will find it much harder than they're thinking. |
It works sometimes. We reached the Championship through changing 4 of the starting 11 in January with no bedding-in time available. When I think of success stories from Championship to PL, they would include the wholesale changes made by Villa, Forest, Wolves, and arguably Leeds.
Continuity and cohesion can be / are valuable assets no doubt, but so too are signings of real quality. Lots of quantity, less of quality isn't the way forward of course and that was our main undoing last season, for the high level we were trying to compete at. Brum look to have signed players who are very capable at the level they're entering, on the other hand, so I'd be very wary of discounting them myself. | | | |
| Birmingham trying to do an ipswich on 10:29 - Jul 7 with 2356 views | bournemouthblue |
Cook's bomb squad work did a lot of the job for McKenna, obviously he added some quality on top
Last year would have been the biggest overturn of players since that season, hopefully this year he is tuning this one up
At the moment it's been very underwhelming losing Delap, Axel, Burgess and then bringing in a veteran substitute keeper [Post edited 7 Jul 11:16]
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| Birmingham trying to do an ipswich on 10:36 - Jul 7 with 2286 views | Smoresy |
| Birmingham trying to do an ipswich on 10:23 - Jul 7 by Smoresy |
It works sometimes. We reached the Championship through changing 4 of the starting 11 in January with no bedding-in time available. When I think of success stories from Championship to PL, they would include the wholesale changes made by Villa, Forest, Wolves, and arguably Leeds.
Continuity and cohesion can be / are valuable assets no doubt, but so too are signings of real quality. Lots of quantity, less of quality isn't the way forward of course and that was our main undoing last season, for the high level we were trying to compete at. Brum look to have signed players who are very capable at the level they're entering, on the other hand, so I'd be very wary of discounting them myself. |
Burnley brought in 17 players last summer, as another example. | | | |
| Birmingham trying to do an ipswich on 10:38 - Jul 7 with 2276 views | BlueBlood90 |
I like Kyogo but scoring goals against Kilmarnock and St Mirren is a different prospect to the Championship.
He got 0 goals in 6 apps for Rennes last season. It's a huge gamble for a 30 year old with no real resale value in my opinion. |  |
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| Birmingham trying to do an ipswich on 10:45 - Jul 7 with 2221 views | baxterbasics |
Fingers crossed it's the former. Could go either way though, unlike our PL result (which honestly anyone without blue tinted specs should have seen coming), the Championship is so unpredictable. |  |
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| Birmingham trying to do an ipswich on 11:29 - Jul 7 with 1977 views | Bellevue_Blue |
It's interesting and I certainly do not begrudge them for getting excited. It's what every Football fan wants, money and ambition.
They really do need to be promoted quickly though. The whole commercial model is based on sponsors paying into the quick upward trajectory and ultimately PL football. A few seasons in the Champ and that commercial energy will fade, millions in the bank that cant be spent due to PSR etc.
It's exactly the same as Wrexham. If they don't get up quickly, that imaginary valuation becomes exactly that and sponsors suddenly are no longer interested in plowing money into a stagnant Champ team.
It's no different with us though. We are no doubt amplified by the Ed Sheeran effect which makes it important that we get straight back up.
On B'ham trasnfers specifically, I'm not sure 10M on a 30YO with big wages is particularly great business. A player who was very quickly deemed not to be good enough for the team that finished 12th in Ligue 1.
Equally, I'm yet to be very impressed with Stansfield. He was very very average for England U21s and hardly pulled up trees last season, scoring 19 goals of which 9 where pens. Compare that to our final season in L1, where Chappers scored 26 with no penalty goals. | | | |
| Birmingham trying to do an ipswich on 11:37 - Jul 7 with 1925 views | BondiBlue |
| Birmingham trying to do an ipswich on 10:23 - Jul 7 by Smoresy |
It works sometimes. We reached the Championship through changing 4 of the starting 11 in January with no bedding-in time available. When I think of success stories from Championship to PL, they would include the wholesale changes made by Villa, Forest, Wolves, and arguably Leeds.
Continuity and cohesion can be / are valuable assets no doubt, but so too are signings of real quality. Lots of quantity, less of quality isn't the way forward of course and that was our main undoing last season, for the high level we were trying to compete at. Brum look to have signed players who are very capable at the level they're entering, on the other hand, so I'd be very wary of discounting them myself. |
It's a good point. If the army of footballers we signed last summer were all established PL players, we probably would have stayed up.
Problem is that costs a fortune and there are financial fair play rules to stop that from happening. Which makes me wonder what birmingham are up to*.
*very aware that everyone was asking the same question about us in league one. | |
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| Birmingham trying to do an ipswich on 13:08 - Jul 7 with 1704 views | BloomBlue |
They've purchased some good players but none of them are better than the players we have.
I can see them being top 10, maybe nibbling at 6th |  | | |
| Birmingham trying to do an ipswich on 13:43 - Jul 7 with 1588 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| Birmingham trying to do an ipswich on 11:37 - Jul 7 by BondiBlue |
It's a good point. If the army of footballers we signed last summer were all established PL players, we probably would have stayed up.
Problem is that costs a fortune and there are financial fair play rules to stop that from happening. Which makes me wonder what birmingham are up to*.
*very aware that everyone was asking the same question about us in league one. |
Let’s be honest the different rules between different tiers, as well as pitiful points deductions means you might as well just go for it. See Leicester, Forest, and now Brum - chance of a £200m promotion, or a downside of a possible 2 point deduction if you fail, seems good odds to me.
Maybe we should have done it last year like Forest. I don’t like cheating, but sometimes feel we are the only club following the rules and effectively penalised for it. Are we too sporting, a bit like when Britain was in the EU following the rule book, whilst France did whatever they felt like (eg illegal state subsidies). Just venting I guess, at cheating with few consequences. | | | |
| Birmingham trying to do an ipswich on 14:15 - Jul 7 with 1519 views | SuffolkPunchFC |
| Birmingham trying to do an ipswich on 10:38 - Jul 7 by BlueBlood90 |
I like Kyogo but scoring goals against Kilmarnock and St Mirren is a different prospect to the Championship.
He got 0 goals in 6 apps for Rennes last season. It's a huge gamble for a 30 year old with no real resale value in my opinion. |
Lots of people miss this point - the Scottish Premiership is not the English Premiership level.
Celtic would be a very different prospect in the EPL, and many of the better Championship teams would have beaten them in recent years.
Yes, some very good players have come out of the SPL, but not that many, and we're looking a level or two above what one might recruit from any SPL team right now. | | | |
| Birmingham trying to do an ipswich on 14:39 - Jul 7 with 1442 views | flykickingbybgunn |
Seems to me that the team that are bringing in the Brum players are very good at spending other peoples money. |  | | |
| Birmingham trying to do an ipswich on 18:11 - Jul 7 with 1168 views | bournemouthblue |
| Birmingham trying to do an ipswich on 13:08 - Jul 7 by BloomBlue |
They've purchased some good players but none of them are better than the players we have.
I can see them being top 10, maybe nibbling at 6th |
A lot of people would have said that about us | |
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| Birmingham trying to do an ipswich on 18:15 - Jul 7 with 1152 views | FrimleyBlue |
Im actually taking a different view at the moment
whilst teams are readily spending money, that means there's less money available to spend later in the window when potential top quality players become available for loans etc
We could be one of very few clubs looking for promotion who have cash available |  |
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| Birmingham trying to do an ipswich on 06:50 - Jul 8 with 835 views | Churchman |
| Birmingham trying to do an ipswich on 13:43 - Jul 7 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
Let’s be honest the different rules between different tiers, as well as pitiful points deductions means you might as well just go for it. See Leicester, Forest, and now Brum - chance of a £200m promotion, or a downside of a possible 2 point deduction if you fail, seems good odds to me.
Maybe we should have done it last year like Forest. I don’t like cheating, but sometimes feel we are the only club following the rules and effectively penalised for it. Are we too sporting, a bit like when Britain was in the EU following the rule book, whilst France did whatever they felt like (eg illegal state subsidies). Just venting I guess, at cheating with few consequences. |
Ignore the rules. That’s what all ambitious moneyed clubs should do. I think maybe we are a little fixated by them here. But are right - a couple of points penalty at worse or a paltry chump change fine v £200m. No brainer. Half the time you can just bully the blazers with legal action and they’ll go away anyway. It is wrong, but it’s how it is.
I think we are a bit behind the times on fees too. They look astronomical because poor old Mick was left barrel scraping for hasbeens, players made of glass and the odd punt the others might have missed. All hail Polish Pete and Cokey!
With regard to transfer pricing in L1 we whistled when players were brought in for £1m. We still have those kind of valuations in our heads, or at least I do. However the PL showed £20m might get you a speculative punt, young player or a bench warmer for the established clubs.
Prices have gone up since then and in true trickle down fashion they have for the Championship too. £10m - £15m doesn’t look out of the ordinary for ambitious clubs with a few shillings in the purse. If Stansfield a year ago is anything to go by, I suspect Birmingham have bought well.
They’ll be up there, especially if they’ve bought ready made players that can withstand the Championship marathon. That way a team will settle and emerge if they’ve recruited right. No point in bringing in talented injury prone people. That was one of our problems last season.
So are we too sporting? Yes, I believe we are on and off the pitch. A desperately sad view, but having seen the circus of the Premier League a lot of the rules to protect the game appear to be an illusion. |  | | |
| Birmingham trying to do an ipswich on 07:11 - Jul 8 with 771 views | bobbyramsey |
"No point in bringing in talented injury prone people. That was one of our problems last season"
I'm slightly disappointed that we're revisiting Cajuste for this very reason....we seem to get fixated on certain players and find it hard to move on. [Post edited 8 Jul 7:13]
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| Birmingham trying to do an ipswich on 07:46 - Jul 8 with 703 views | Churchman |
| Birmingham trying to do an ipswich on 07:11 - Jul 8 by bobbyramsey |
"No point in bringing in talented injury prone people. That was one of our problems last season"
I'm slightly disappointed that we're revisiting Cajuste for this very reason....we seem to get fixated on certain players and find it hard to move on. [Post edited 8 Jul 7:13]
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I agree. I would leave Cajuste well alone. | | | |
| Birmingham trying to do an ipswich on 09:33 - Jul 8 with 577 views | tractorboy1978 |
| Birmingham trying to do an ipswich on 10:16 - Jul 7 by itfcsuth |
You cannot deny individually they are bringing in real good players, some of which I would take here, Kyogo & T.Doyle, as well as Iwata & Stansfield who I would also take.
But there of course is a list as long as time that shows wholesale turnover of squads are quite difficult to hit the ground running, I think we saw it a little last year, I remember Forest being the same in their first year of the PL, I also distinctively remember ourselves doing it in L1 under Paul Cook, individually had real top L1 players that didn't hit the ground running.
Their business looks strong, will be fascinating to see how it unfolds. |
I think keeping momentum is key for them. It is what we managed to do so well and no doubt making minimal changes helped with that. Getting through that game at Sunderland by hook or by crook was a huge point in our season even though only one game in. If you have automatic promotion hopes, the Championship isn't the sort of league you can take half a dozen games to warm up/click in. | | | |
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