| Hurst/Shrews 2017/2018 13:49 - Sep 5 with 12654 views | FrimleyBlue |
Took a look at Shrews figures for last season, taking away the obvious winning rate which quite rightly took them to third place.
For example,
Average shots per match - 8.43
Average Shots on Target - 3.98
Average goals scored per game 2.12
32.7% Fixtures finished with just 1 goal scored by Shrews
20% Fixtures were won 1-0
18.4 % 1-1
Link, https://footystats.org/clubs/england/shrewsbury-town-fc
For me, if accurate figures, they are relatively low numbers and such figures in this league imo won't lead to success.
https://footystats.org/clubs/england/ipswich-town-fc
Again, these figures may be inaccurate, however, for me, showing an average of 12 shots per game, isn't enough. With just an average of 4 shots on target a game
There is of course the fact the season is new. However it will be interesting to look at these around December time.
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| Hurst/Shrews 2017/2018 on 13:55 - Sep 5 with 6090 views | pickles110564 |
Every thought about just enjoying the football now on offer and looking forward and not back? |  | | |
| Hurst/Shrews 2017/2018 on 13:56 - Sep 5 with 6090 views | Hoppersblue10 |
How do those stats match up against ours from last season.? |  |
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| Hurst/Shrews 2017/2018 on 13:59 - Sep 5 with 6069 views | WarkTheWarkITFC |
This appears to be classic Frimley.
You've taken Shrewsbury's 'low' shots per match and 'low' shots on target per match and decided that this won't lead to success in this division.
Whilst ignoring their high points per game, how low their goals conceded were, and 'taking away the obvious winning rate', which is also high and therefore very favourable for Hurst.
So you've cherry picked the things you think look poor and ignored all the impressive bits. You've mentioned two unfavourable statistics and ignored the three favourable ones that completely override them.
A bit like saying how great a team is when they average 3 goals a game whilst ignoring the fact they concede 10. [Post edited 5 Sep 2018 14:04]
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| Hurst/Shrews 2017/2018 on 13:59 - Sep 5 with 6070 views | hype313 |
| Hurst/Shrews 2017/2018 on 13:56 - Sep 5 by Hoppersblue10 |
How do those stats match up against ours from last season.? |
2.33 Goals / Match
Shots Per Match 12.67
Shots On Target / Match 4.00 |  |
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| Hurst/Shrews 2017/2018 on 14:01 - Sep 5 with 6053 views | Herbivore |
They were the 6th highest scorers in League 1. |  |
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| Hurst/Shrews 2017/2018 on 14:02 - Sep 5 with 6033 views | WarkTheWarkITFC |
| Hurst/Shrews 2017/2018 on 13:59 - Sep 5 by hype313 |
2.33 Goals / Match
Shots Per Match 12.67
Shots On Target / Match 4.00 |
3.98 shots on target this season with a new system and players getting used to this level compared to 4.00 last season with a settled manager and side.
Literally no difference. So Frimley is getting himself worked up over us having less shots off target, that can't go in basically.
Perhaps he could focus on the dramatic increase in the percentage of our shots that are on target now, pretty much 50% rather than 33%. Hooray for Hurst! | |
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| Hurst/Shrews 2017/2018 on 14:04 - Sep 5 with 6025 views | BryanPlug |
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| Hurst/Shrews 2017/2018 on 14:06 - Sep 5 with 6003 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Hurst/Shrews 2017/2018 on 13:59 - Sep 5 by WarkTheWarkITFC |
This appears to be classic Frimley.
You've taken Shrewsbury's 'low' shots per match and 'low' shots on target per match and decided that this won't lead to success in this division.
Whilst ignoring their high points per game, how low their goals conceded were, and 'taking away the obvious winning rate', which is also high and therefore very favourable for Hurst.
So you've cherry picked the things you think look poor and ignored all the impressive bits. You've mentioned two unfavourable statistics and ignored the three favourable ones that completely override them.
A bit like saying how great a team is when they average 3 goals a game whilst ignoring the fact they concede 10. [Post edited 5 Sep 2018 14:04]
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Took me off ignore already, bless ya Warky
I've added the links to the sites for people to have a gander too
There's been lots of talk on here over the past 48 hours regarding shot ratios etc, hence my thread.
The reason for me saying taking away the obvious win rate is of course as we know the shrews side was successful and i'm not questinning this. I was just sharing a view that should the low shot to goal ratios etc carry over from there to here.. I find the championship a bit more unforgiving. | |
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| Hurst/Shrews 2017/2018 on 14:07 - Sep 5 with 6001 views | itfcjoe |
You start out with half a point and then just don't flesh it out or bring it to any proper conclusion |  |
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| Hurst/Shrews 2017/2018 on 14:08 - Sep 5 with 5987 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Hurst/Shrews 2017/2018 on 14:04 - Sep 5 by BryanPlug |
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Nope not a manager
And not posting a barrage of posts either.
Stats have been discussed in numerous threads without any figures involved, i'm sharing some findings. | |
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| Hurst/Shrews 2017/2018 on 14:09 - Sep 5 with 5968 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Hurst/Shrews 2017/2018 on 14:02 - Sep 5 by WarkTheWarkITFC |
3.98 shots on target this season with a new system and players getting used to this level compared to 4.00 last season with a settled manager and side.
Literally no difference. So Frimley is getting himself worked up over us having less shots off target, that can't go in basically.
Perhaps he could focus on the dramatic increase in the percentage of our shots that are on target now, pretty much 50% rather than 33%. Hooray for Hurst! |
It's quite difficult to do a comparison on town this season compared to town last season as we've only played 6 fixtures.
Hence me saying it'll be interesting to have a look at the stats in December.
I'm unsure how I'm worked up? | |
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| Hurst/Shrews 2017/2018 on 14:10 - Sep 5 with 5953 views | WarkTheWarkITFC |
| Hurst/Shrews 2017/2018 on 14:04 - Sep 5 by BryanPlug |
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If his team is the one that I think it is then they are currently 12th out of 19 teams in the Combined Counties League One after 4 games and lost 5-0 at the weekend.
https://www.nonleaguematters.co.uk/divisions/27/
Rather wonderfully they have scored 4 and conceded 3 in their 4 games, so are averaging a goal a game and conceding 0.75 per game, which makes them the most boring team in the entire division to watch.
One team has scored 29 goals in 6 games, another has conceded 19 already. A team two places above them has already seen 25 goals go in.
Frimley appears to be complaining about Hurst and negativity, whilst being in charge of possibly the most boring to watch non-league side in England.
I wonder if he'll be sacking his manager this week. | |
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| Hurst/Shrews 2017/2018 on 14:11 - Sep 5 with 5949 views | tractorboy2000 |
Pretty sure Huddersfield didn't win a game by 2 goals until they beat us 2-0 in January the season they went up so you can be successful in this league without constantly peppering the goal. |  |
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| Hurst/Shrews 2017/2018 on 14:13 - Sep 5 with 5934 views | WarkTheWarkITFC |
| Hurst/Shrews 2017/2018 on 14:08 - Sep 5 by FrimleyBlue |
Nope not a manager
And not posting a barrage of posts either.
Stats have been discussed in numerous threads without any figures involved, i'm sharing some findings. |
Not a manager. An owner.
Any reason why you're not spending the time drawing up the paperwork to dismiss your own dull manager?
1.75 goals per game in a divisions where the average appears to be about 4.00. That must make your team very boring to watch.
How do you attract anyone to watch that? | |
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| Hurst/Shrews 2017/2018 on 14:16 - Sep 5 with 5911 views | BryanPlug |
| Hurst/Shrews 2017/2018 on 14:10 - Sep 5 by WarkTheWarkITFC |
If his team is the one that I think it is then they are currently 12th out of 19 teams in the Combined Counties League One after 4 games and lost 5-0 at the weekend.
https://www.nonleaguematters.co.uk/divisions/27/
Rather wonderfully they have scored 4 and conceded 3 in their 4 games, so are averaging a goal a game and conceding 0.75 per game, which makes them the most boring team in the entire division to watch.
One team has scored 29 goals in 6 games, another has conceded 19 already. A team two places above them has already seen 25 goals go in.
Frimley appears to be complaining about Hurst and negativity, whilst being in charge of possibly the most boring to watch non-league side in England.
I wonder if he'll be sacking his manager this week. |
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| Hurst/Shrews 2017/2018 on 14:16 - Sep 5 with 5912 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Hurst/Shrews 2017/2018 on 14:10 - Sep 5 by WarkTheWarkITFC |
If his team is the one that I think it is then they are currently 12th out of 19 teams in the Combined Counties League One after 4 games and lost 5-0 at the weekend.
https://www.nonleaguematters.co.uk/divisions/27/
Rather wonderfully they have scored 4 and conceded 3 in their 4 games, so are averaging a goal a game and conceding 0.75 per game, which makes them the most boring team in the entire division to watch.
One team has scored 29 goals in 6 games, another has conceded 19 already. A team two places above them has already seen 25 goals go in.
Frimley appears to be complaining about Hurst and negativity, whilst being in charge of possibly the most boring to watch non-league side in England.
I wonder if he'll be sacking his manager this week. |
You are correct Mr Wark
In our season it has included.
Away to Bedfont & Feltham who had scored 16 goals in the 2 games leading up to our visit, we drew 0-0. delighted with that
Away to ash, who had average 4+ goals per game, we drew 1-1 there, again delighted
Binfield Saturday was the FA vase, Binfield are in the league above and were one of the favs for their league so we didn't go with any expectations, especiall with 11 players unavailable for the weekend.
When we stat to play the Coves, Bagshots etc like the others have, we'll get to see where we are in regards to goals etc. | |
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| Hurst/Shrews 2017/2018 on 14:16 - Sep 5 with 5907 views | WarkTheWarkITFC |
| Hurst/Shrews 2017/2018 on 14:13 - Sep 5 by WarkTheWarkITFC |
Not a manager. An owner.
Any reason why you're not spending the time drawing up the paperwork to dismiss your own dull manager?
1.75 goals per game in a divisions where the average appears to be about 4.00. That must make your team very boring to watch.
How do you attract anyone to watch that? |
Results - August 2018
Saturday 4th August 2018
COCO1 Ash United 4 2 Kensington Borough 35
COCO1 Bedfont & Feltham 11 0 Bagshot 51
COCO1 Chessington & Hook United 0 3 Eversley & California 158
COCO1 Cove 0 2 Dorking Wanderers Reserves 34
COCO1 Fleet Spurs 1 2 British Airways 30
COCO1 Frimley Green 0 0 Tooting Bec 34
COCO1 Godalming Town 0 0 FC Deportivo Galicia 57
COCO1 Sandhurst Town 0 2 Epsom & Ewell 68
COCO1 Sheerwater 2 4 Farnham Town 78
Saturday 11th August 2018
COCO1 British Airways 1 2 Bagshot 25
COCO1 Chessington & Hook United 3 3 Ash United 0
COCO1 Dorking Wanderers Reserves 3 3 Bedfont & Feltham 52
COCO1 Eversley & California 2 0 AC London 0
COCO1 FC Deportivo Galicia 0 1 Tooting Bec 0
COCO1 Fleet Spurs 0 2 Sheerwater 0
COCO1 Kensington Borough 3 1 Cove 0
Saturday 18th August 2018
COCO1 AC London 1 1 Dorking Wanderers Reserves 18
COCO1 Bagshot 0 3 Epsom & Ewell 30
COCO1 Bedfont & Feltham 5 0 Sandhurst Town 34
COCO1 Cove 1 2 Chessington & Hook United 24
COCO1 FC Deportivo Galicia 7 2 Fleet Spurs 18
COCO1 Farnham Town 6 1 British Airways 37
COCO1 Frimley Green 3 2 Eversley & California 58
COCO1 Sheerwater 4 1 Kensington Borough 32
COCO1 Tooting Bec 1 2 Godalming Town 54
Tuesday 21st August 2018
COCO1 Ash United 4 1 Bagshot 0
COCO1 Bedfont & Feltham 0 0 Frimley Green 0
COCO1 Epsom & Ewell 1 2 Chessington & Hook United 0
COCO1 Godalming Town 2 5 Dorking Wanderers Reserves 0
COCO1 Sandhurst Town 2 1 Farnham Town 0
Wednesday 22nd August 2018
COCO1 British Airways 0 0 FC Deportivo Galicia 0
Saturday 25th August 2018
COCO1 British Airways 6 1 Cove 0
COCO1 Chessington & Hook United 2 0 Tooting Bec 0
COCO1 Eversley & California 1 5 Bedfont & Feltham 0
COCO1 FC Deportivo Galicia 1 3 AC London 0
COCO1 Godalming Town 0 4 Ash United 0
COCO1 Kensington Borough 0 3 Farnham Town 0
COCO1 Sandhurst Town 2 1 Fleet Spurs 0
Monday 27th August 2018
COCO1 AC London 6 4 Chessington & Hook United 0
COCO1 Bedfont & Feltham 5 0 British Airways 0
COCO1 Cove 1 2 Sandhurst Town 0
COCO1 Farnham Town 3 1 Godalming Town 0
COCO1 Fleet Spurs 1 2 Dorking Wanderers Reserves 0
COCO1 Sheerwater 1 0 FC Deportivo Galicia 0
COCO1 Tooting Bec 5 3 Kensington Borough 0
Tuesday 28th August 2018
COCO1 Ash United 1 1 Frimley Green 0
Is that your club? Frimley Green?
If so you've had two 0-0's and a 1-1 in your three matches in a division where it literally rains goals.
7-2, 5-2, 6-4, 5-3, 6-1, 11-0, 3-3, 3-3 - goals aplenty.
But not at Frimley. Quite funny if you're having a go at Hurst being negative just below the divisional average when your own team is a million miles under it. | |
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| Hurst/Shrews 2017/2018 on 14:17 - Sep 5 with 5899 views | itfcjoe |
| Hurst/Shrews 2017/2018 on 14:16 - Sep 5 by FrimleyBlue |
You are correct Mr Wark
In our season it has included.
Away to Bedfont & Feltham who had scored 16 goals in the 2 games leading up to our visit, we drew 0-0. delighted with that
Away to ash, who had average 4+ goals per game, we drew 1-1 there, again delighted
Binfield Saturday was the FA vase, Binfield are in the league above and were one of the favs for their league so we didn't go with any expectations, especiall with 11 players unavailable for the weekend.
When we stat to play the Coves, Bagshots etc like the others have, we'll get to see where we are in regards to goals etc. |
Delighted with a 0-0 draw, no wonder your average attendance is under 50 - boring | |
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| Hurst/Shrews 2017/2018 on 14:17 - Sep 5 with 5897 views | WarkTheWarkITFC |
| Hurst/Shrews 2017/2018 on 14:16 - Sep 5 by FrimleyBlue |
You are correct Mr Wark
In our season it has included.
Away to Bedfont & Feltham who had scored 16 goals in the 2 games leading up to our visit, we drew 0-0. delighted with that
Away to ash, who had average 4+ goals per game, we drew 1-1 there, again delighted
Binfield Saturday was the FA vase, Binfield are in the league above and were one of the favs for their league so we didn't go with any expectations, especiall with 11 players unavailable for the weekend.
When we stat to play the Coves, Bagshots etc like the others have, we'll get to see where we are in regards to goals etc. |
So hang on.
Hurst is to be judged pretty much on what has happened after a few games.
But the club you run should be judged later on when you have played more than a few games? | |
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| Hurst/Shrews 2017/2018 on 14:18 - Sep 5 with 5878 views | WarkTheWarkITFC |
| Hurst/Shrews 2017/2018 on 14:17 - Sep 5 by itfcjoe |
Delighted with a 0-0 draw, no wonder your average attendance is under 50 - boring |
What I have learned from this thread is not to moan about a football team not being involved in many goals, if I actually run a football club that is involved in even less goals in a division where matches end 6-4 and 7-2! [Post edited 5 Sep 2018 14:21]
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| Hurst/Shrews 2017/2018 on 14:20 - Sep 5 with 5861 views | WarkTheWarkITFC |
| Hurst/Shrews 2017/2018 on 14:16 - Sep 5 by FrimleyBlue |
You are correct Mr Wark
In our season it has included.
Away to Bedfont & Feltham who had scored 16 goals in the 2 games leading up to our visit, we drew 0-0. delighted with that
Away to ash, who had average 4+ goals per game, we drew 1-1 there, again delighted
Binfield Saturday was the FA vase, Binfield are in the league above and were one of the favs for their league so we didn't go with any expectations, especiall with 11 players unavailable for the weekend.
When we stat to play the Coves, Bagshots etc like the others have, we'll get to see where we are in regards to goals etc. |
Sounds to me like you are absolutely parking the bus against teams that score loads of goals and are bigger than you.
A bit like we could have chosen to do against Villa, Derby, Sheffield Wednesday and even Norwich, but didn't. | |
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| Hurst/Shrews 2017/2018 on 14:20 - Sep 5 with 5861 views | Steve_M |
So, yes, apart from being successful Shrewsbury weren't actually very good last season. |  |
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| Hurst/Shrews 2017/2018 on 14:21 - Sep 5 with 5829 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Hurst/Shrews 2017/2018 on 14:17 - Sep 5 by WarkTheWarkITFC |
So hang on.
Hurst is to be judged pretty much on what has happened after a few games.
But the club you run should be judged later on when you have played more than a few games? |
Depends how you're looking at it
Is this a football forum for football fans to discuss itfc or is it a non league forum?
If you want me to go into properly, firstly it's quite difficult because of the levels between us. But if you're asking me too.
There's a difference between us playing away to bedfont, ( averaged 5 goals scored per game and managing to get a point from the game, than Ipswich hosting Norwich and getting a point.. Of the 2 games... I'm disappointed in 1 of the results. | |
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| Hurst/Shrews 2017/2018 on 14:25 - Sep 5 with 5795 views | WarkTheWarkITFC |
| Hurst/Shrews 2017/2018 on 14:21 - Sep 5 by FrimleyBlue |
Depends how you're looking at it
Is this a football forum for football fans to discuss itfc or is it a non league forum?
If you want me to go into properly, firstly it's quite difficult because of the levels between us. But if you're asking me too.
There's a difference between us playing away to bedfont, ( averaged 5 goals scored per game and managing to get a point from the game, than Ipswich hosting Norwich and getting a point.. Of the 2 games... I'm disappointed in 1 of the results. |
I'm looking at it in the sense that you are sitting in a massive glass house and relentlessly throwing stones at it to the point where there's actually now no glass left. | |
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| Hurst/Shrews 2017/2018 on 14:26 - Sep 5 with 5774 views | hype313 |
| Hurst/Shrews 2017/2018 on 14:25 - Sep 5 by WarkTheWarkITFC |
I'm looking at it in the sense that you are sitting in a massive glass house and relentlessly throwing stones at it to the point where there's actually now no glass left. |
It's all a bit "Hiiii! Is that Mr Kettle? It's Pot..." | |
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