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I see Liam Fox is betraying Brexit now 08:48 - Jun 26 with 2455 views

Liam Fox has just published an article called The Facts About GATT 24 which dismantles the claim that the UK could use it to keep tariffs at zero in a no-deal Brexit

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I see Liam Fox is betraying Brexit now on 08:55 - Jun 26 with 2412 views

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He needs to just believe in it more

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I see Liam Fox is betraying Brexit now on 09:14 - Jun 26 with 2362 views

xrayspecs

Not sure how that is betraying Brexit?

He is stating some facts about future trading arrangements and reiterating that the government have a duty to enact the result of the referendum

I see Liam Fox is betraying Brexit now on 09:14 - Jun 26 with 2354 views

Marshalls_Mullet

"Betraying brexit" is not a thing.

It's just another soundbite.

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I see Liam Fox is betraying Brexit now on 09:16 - Jun 26 with 2350 views

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I see Liam Fox is betraying Brexit now on 09:14 - Jun 26 by Marshalls_Mullet
"Betraying brexit" is not a thing. It's just another soundbite.

Brextray means Brextray?

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I see Liam Fox is betraying Brexit now on 09:20 - Jun 26 with 2339 views

Steve_M

I see Liam Fox is betraying Brexit now on 09:14 - Jun 26 by xrayspecs
Not sure how that is betraying Brexit? He is stating some facts about future trading arrangements and reiterating that the government have a duty to enact the result of the referendum

Because Article 24 is the zealots soundbite of choice and anything less than the maximum Brexit position is seen as betraying Brexit. See also May's deal and Tory MPs who voted for it but refuse to accept crashing out without a deal.

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xrayspecs

I see Liam Fox is betraying Brexit now on 09:20 - Jun 26 by Steve_M
Because Article 24 is the zealots soundbite of choice and anything less than the maximum Brexit position is seen as betraying Brexit. See also May's deal and Tory MPs who voted for it but refuse to accept crashing out without a deal.

That is one view. There are plenty of others that support Brexit. The majority of Brexiteers want to leave with a deal.

Liam Fox is undermining Boris as he supports Hunt for PM.

I see Liam Fox is betraying Brexit now on 09:43 - Jun 26 with 2275 views

chicoazul

I wonder what's happened between Fox and "Boris". They used to be mates.

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I see Liam Fox is betraying Brexit now on 09:24 - Jun 26 by xrayspecs
That is one view. There are plenty of others that support Brexit. The majority of Brexiteers want to leave with a deal. Liam Fox is undermining Boris as he supports Hunt for PM.

It's just a shame that the zealots* have managed to sieze the media and control the debate, that people like Farage and Rees-Mogg have been allowed to claim they represent "all Brexiteers".

Such is often the way with revolutionary movements, when moderates become afraid to question the zealots, lest their own dedication to the cause is called into doubt. There is often, eventually, a moderate backlash, tho frequently only after much bloodshed, with many fine people cut down as "traitors" or forced into exile.

* An excellent term, as describing a blind, ideological fanatic who, shunning all reason and compromise, is prepared to sacrifice everything - including their own and others' lives - for the cause.

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I see Liam Fox is betraying Brexit now on 09:58 - Jun 26 with 2238 views

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I see Liam Fox is betraying Brexit now on 09:43 - Jun 26 by chicoazul
I wonder what's happened between Fox and "Boris". They used to be mates.

Often happens, where two revolutionary fellow-travellers will fall out when one considers the other to have gone beyond reason. Think Desmoulins and Robespierre.

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I see Liam Fox is betraying Brexit now on 10:09 - Jun 26 with 2207 views

Steve_M

I see Liam Fox is betraying Brexit now on 09:24 - Jun 26 by xrayspecs
That is one view. There are plenty of others that support Brexit. The majority of Brexiteers want to leave with a deal. Liam Fox is undermining Boris as he supports Hunt for PM.

And as soon as deal is written down, it's inherent weaknesses compared to the fantasy Brexit become apparent and the whole process starts again. We would have left the EU by now if not for the ERG.

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I see Liam Fox is betraying Brexit now on 09:58 - Jun 26 by Guthrum
Often happens, where two revolutionary fellow-travellers will fall out when one considers the other to have gone beyond reason. Think Desmoulins and Robespierre.

Was thinking more Trotsky and Stalin and wondering who is going to end up with the ice pick in their head.

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I see Liam Fox is betraying Brexit now on 11:13 - Jun 26 with 2098 views

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I see Liam Fox is betraying Brexit now on 10:09 - Jun 26 by Steve_M
And as soon as deal is written down, it's inherent weaknesses compared to the fantasy Brexit become apparent and the whole process starts again. We would have left the EU by now if not for the ERG.

The problem is the erg have to trace the shapes of each letter in the deal with their fingers and mouth the word sounds.

It takes them a long time....

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I see Liam Fox is betraying Brexit now on 11:22 - Jun 26 with 2077 views

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I see Liam Fox is betraying Brexit now on 10:09 - Jun 26 by Steve_M
And as soon as deal is written down, it's inherent weaknesses compared to the fantasy Brexit become apparent and the whole process starts again. We would have left the EU by now if not for the ERG.

While I agree with you about the ERG, I suspect the same charge can also be levelled at those MPs - across all parties - who simply do not want to support the referendum result or want to oppose Brexit for purely political reasons.

I see Liam Fox is betraying Brexit now on 12:00 - Jun 26 with 2034 views

factual_blue

I see Liam Fox is betraying Brexit now on 09:46 - Jun 26 by Guthrum

The original Zealots were Jewish terrorists.

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If Liam Fox is the voice of reason we really are in the clarts.

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Swansea_Blue

I see Liam Fox is betraying Brexit now on 09:14 - Jun 26 by xrayspecs
Not sure how that is betraying Brexit? He is stating some facts about future trading arrangements and reiterating that the government have a duty to enact the result of the referendum

You know that, I know that, most of the people on here know that.

But I imagine the zealots (borrowing Guther's term) will see it as a massive betrayal as it doesn't fit to their fantasy view.

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factual_blue

The question to ask in such circumstances is 'What Would Adam Werritty Think?'

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I see Liam Fox is betraying Brexit now on 14:46 - Jun 26 with 1877 views

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I see Liam Fox is betraying Brexit now on 09:58 - Jun 26 by Guthrum
Often happens, where two revolutionary fellow-travellers will fall out when one considers the other to have gone beyond reason. Think Desmoulins and Robespierre.

This is more Cannon and Ball though, is n't it?

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I see Liam Fox is betraying Brexit now on 11:22 - Jun 26 by xrayspecs
While I agree with you about the ERG, I suspect the same charge can also be levelled at those MPs - across all parties - who simply do not want to support the referendum result or want to oppose Brexit for purely political reasons.

I think a lot of people, including some MPs, remain opposed to Brexit because it's a terrible idea.

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I see Liam Fox is betraying Brexit now on 15:20 - Jun 26 by Herbivore
I think a lot of people, including some MPs, remain opposed to Brexit because it's a terrible idea.

When a no deal Brexit goes tit up, the Brexiteers will still blame ‘Remoaners’. We may as well just cancel it and blame Remoaners for that so we don’t all suffer too

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I see Liam Fox is betraying Brexit now on 15:26 - Jun 26 by itfcjoe
When a no deal Brexit goes tit up, the Brexiteers will still blame ‘Remoaners’. We may as well just cancel it and blame Remoaners for that so we don’t all suffer too

Yep. It's incredible really, they say with a straight face that the reason we haven't left is because of Remoaners not backing Brexit, and yet it was the hard Brexit supporters in the ERG who voted against us leaving in March. If they won't accept responsibility for that you can guarantee they won't accept responsibility for anything.

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