| Brexit: No 10 'considering' election amid no-deal battle with MPs 12:56 - Sep 2 with 4591 views | homer_123 |
'Boris Johnson is considering seeking an early general election if rebel Conservative MPs proceed with plans to try and block a no-deal Brexit.
The BBC understands "live discussions" are going on in No 10 about asking Parliament to approve a snap poll.'
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| Brexit: No 10 'considering' election amid no-deal battle with MPs on 12:59 - Sep 2 with 2684 views | BlueRaider |
Remain side need to be careful, they may win the battle this week, but then lose the war. A GE following Parliament being seen to obstruct brexit could see a reasonable Tory majority. If the Brexit party stand aside then leavers only have one option, whereas the remain side is much more fragmented. First past the post and a 'single issue' election would work for Johnson. |  |
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| Brexit: No 10 'considering' election amid no-deal battle with MPs on 13:01 - Sep 2 with 2673 views | Guthrum |
What if the HoC refuses, in case he sets a 1st November date? Needs a two-thirds majority. |  |
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| Brexit: No 10 'considering' election amid no-deal battle with MPs on 13:02 - Sep 2 with 2664 views | homer_123 |
| Brexit: No 10 'considering' election amid no-deal battle with MPs on 13:01 - Sep 2 by Guthrum |
What if the HoC refuses, in case he sets a 1st November date? Needs a two-thirds majority. |
I am sure the correct term for our current political situation is 'clusterf*ck'? | |
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| Brexit: No 10 'considering' election amid no-deal battle with MPs on 13:10 - Sep 2 with 2634 views | Guthrum |
| Brexit: No 10 'considering' election amid no-deal battle with MPs on 13:02 - Sep 2 by homer_123 |
I am sure the correct term for our current political situation is 'clusterf*ck'? |
Yes, a complete deadlock.
The Johnson-Cummings clique is desperately trying to hold on until 1st November.
Labour are desperately hedging and maneuvering to get Corbyn into No. 10 by any means possible.
The LibDems and the SNP (plus Greens and Plaid) are desperately trying to find a way of mounting and winning a second Referendum.
Other factions of Conservatives are desperately trying to hold a moderate line without utterly betraying their party.
Plus there is the usual mob of place-servers desperately trying to end up on the winning side with ministerial job intact. | |
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| Brexit: No 10 'considering' election amid no-deal battle with MPs on 13:24 - Sep 2 with 2581 views | jas0999 |
| Brexit: No 10 'considering' election amid no-deal battle with MPs on 12:59 - Sep 2 by BlueRaider |
Remain side need to be careful, they may win the battle this week, but then lose the war. A GE following Parliament being seen to obstruct brexit could see a reasonable Tory majority. If the Brexit party stand aside then leavers only have one option, whereas the remain side is much more fragmented. First past the post and a 'single issue' election would work for Johnson. |
A GE would likely be bad for Labour. The Tories are remarkably ahead in most polls, although whether they can be believed is another thing! | | | |
| Brexit: No 10 'considering' election amid no-deal battle with MPs on 13:25 - Sep 2 with 2577 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Brexit: No 10 'considering' election amid no-deal battle with MPs on 13:01 - Sep 2 by Guthrum |
What if the HoC refuses, in case he sets a 1st November date? Needs a two-thirds majority. |
Corbyn has called for a General election every day since 2017. He's backed himself into a corner on this. |  |
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| Brexit: No 10 'considering' election amid no-deal battle with MPs on 13:26 - Sep 2 with 2576 views | Guthrum |
| Brexit: No 10 'considering' election amid no-deal battle with MPs on 13:24 - Sep 2 by jas0999 |
A GE would likely be bad for Labour. The Tories are remarkably ahead in most polls, although whether they can be believed is another thing! |
How the campaigns are conducted will also make a difference. | |
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| Brexit: No 10 'considering' election amid no-deal battle with MPs on 13:28 - Sep 2 with 2562 views | StokieBlue |
| Brexit: No 10 'considering' election amid no-deal battle with MPs on 13:25 - Sep 2 by GlasgowBlue |
Corbyn has called for a General election every day since 2017. He's backed himself into a corner on this. |
He's said it today as well.
He won't be able to say no which could mean a no deal brexit by default wouldn't it?
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| Brexit: No 10 'considering' election amid no-deal battle with MPs on 13:28 - Sep 2 with 2562 views | Guthrum |
| Brexit: No 10 'considering' election amid no-deal battle with MPs on 13:25 - Sep 2 by GlasgowBlue |
Corbyn has called for a General election every day since 2017. He's backed himself into a corner on this. |
He might insist that the date is specified as early October at the latest, or that there should be a request for an A50 extension (the latter having the advantage of undermining Johnson's position). | |
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| Brexit: No 10 'considering' election amid no-deal battle with MPs on 13:30 - Sep 2 with 2553 views | StokieBlue |
| Brexit: No 10 'considering' election amid no-deal battle with MPs on 13:28 - Sep 2 by Guthrum |
He might insist that the date is specified as early October at the latest, or that there should be a request for an A50 extension (the latter having the advantage of undermining Johnson's position). |
In which case surely the Tories just don't call one. He's in a bit of a positional pickle isn't he?
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| Brexit: No 10 'considering' election amid no-deal battle with MPs on 13:31 - Sep 2 with 2537 views | C_HealyIsAPleasure |
| Brexit: No 10 'considering' election amid no-deal battle with MPs on 13:28 - Sep 2 by Guthrum |
He might insist that the date is specified as early October at the latest, or that there should be a request for an A50 extension (the latter having the advantage of undermining Johnson's position). |
Would have to be the latter surely? Even if early October is logistically possible, Labour’s best chance is to have a longer run up, they’d most likely get crushed if it’s early October |  |
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| Brexit: No 10 'considering' election amid no-deal battle with MPs on 13:37 - Sep 2 with 2515 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Brexit: No 10 'considering' election amid no-deal battle with MPs on 13:28 - Sep 2 by Guthrum |
He might insist that the date is specified as early October at the latest, or that there should be a request for an A50 extension (the latter having the advantage of undermining Johnson's position). |
A date can be agreed but then the Government can change it by proclamation. | |
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| Brexit: No 10 'considering' election amid no-deal battle with MPs on 13:38 - Sep 2 with 2507 views | Guthrum |
| Brexit: No 10 'considering' election amid no-deal battle with MPs on 13:30 - Sep 2 by StokieBlue |
In which case surely the Tories just don't call one. He's in a bit of a positional pickle isn't he?
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So Labour call a vote of No Confidence and try to form a governing alliance in the 14-day window. There's not a lot of precedent I can think of for a PM, having lost control of the House to a formal opposition grouping, being able to maintain his position.
Besides which, to offer an election then, by withdrawing, expose it as another blatant attempt to force No Deal through using procedure, would be just as damaging for the government. | |
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| Brexit: No 10 'considering' election amid no-deal battle with MPs on 13:39 - Sep 2 with 2503 views | No9 |
Any sitting MP doesn't need the permission of the HoC to hold a G.E. does it?
IF he sh!t cans a whole bunch of his party he will engage with Farage & Tice who are keeping him awake at night | | | |
| Brexit: No 10 'considering' election amid no-deal battle with MPs on 13:42 - Sep 2 with 2488 views | jaykay |
| Brexit: No 10 'considering' election amid no-deal battle with MPs on 13:31 - Sep 2 by C_HealyIsAPleasure |
Would have to be the latter surely? Even if early October is logistically possible, Labour’s best chance is to have a longer run up, they’d most likely get crushed if it’s early October |
like in the last general election you mean? there was a proper w@nkfest going on here that night ,with talk of thats the end of the labour party they will be wiped out. one even gave the tories over 100 seat majority . then next day to save they face all said' yeah but no yeah but yeah' anyways they would have won it but corby yeah' |  |
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| Brexit: No 10 'considering' election amid no-deal battle with MPs on 13:49 - Sep 2 with 2456 views | TractorWood |
| Brexit: No 10 'considering' election amid no-deal battle with MPs on 13:24 - Sep 2 by jas0999 |
A GE would likely be bad for Labour. The Tories are remarkably ahead in most polls, although whether they can be believed is another thing! |
I think this is the problem. According to the polls, most people see a Corbyn government as the worst possible outcome regardless. |  |
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| Brexit: No 10 'considering' election amid no-deal battle with MPs on 13:55 - Sep 2 with 2441 views | Ryorry |
All playing kindergarten games with the future of the UK. What a bunch of totally irresponsible, selfish, greeedy, arrogant, uncaring wonkers. Makes you despair. A pox on their houses. Ten year old children would run things better & obtain a better outcome for the country.
Time for a second English Revolution - and one that will work this time!! |  |
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| Brexit: No 10 'considering' election amid no-deal battle with MPs on 13:56 - Sep 2 with 2439 views | C_HealyIsAPleasure |
| Brexit: No 10 'considering' election amid no-deal battle with MPs on 13:42 - Sep 2 by jaykay |
like in the last general election you mean? there was a proper w@nkfest going on here that night ,with talk of thats the end of the labour party they will be wiped out. one even gave the tories over 100 seat majority . then next day to save they face all said' yeah but no yeah but yeah' anyways they would have won it but corby yeah' |
The last General Election had a run up of 2 months during which time Labour were able to whittle down the Tories lead considerably. This would be a much shorter run up - so much less time for Boris to alienate the electorate or for Labour to build some err, momentum | |
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| Brexit: No 10 'considering' election amid no-deal battle with MPs on 14:02 - Sep 2 with 2424 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Brexit: No 10 'considering' election amid no-deal battle with MPs on 13:56 - Sep 2 by C_HealyIsAPleasure |
The last General Election had a run up of 2 months during which time Labour were able to whittle down the Tories lead considerably. This would be a much shorter run up - so much less time for Boris to alienate the electorate or for Labour to build some err, momentum |
May also took her core support for granted by putting her social care plans in the manifesto and then spent the entire campaign in hiding. | |
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| Brexit: No 10 'considering' election amid no-deal battle with MPs on 14:14 - Sep 2 with 2389 views | Guthrum |
| Brexit: No 10 'considering' election amid no-deal battle with MPs on 14:02 - Sep 2 by GlasgowBlue |
May also took her core support for granted by putting her social care plans in the manifesto and then spent the entire campaign in hiding. |
If his leadership campaign is anything to go by, Johnson will do much the same. | |
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| Brexit: No 10 'considering' election amid no-deal battle with MPs on 14:18 - Sep 2 with 2374 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Brexit: No 10 'considering' election amid no-deal battle with MPs on 14:14 - Sep 2 by Guthrum |
If his leadership campaign is anything to go by, Johnson will do much the same. |
Then he will lose. | |
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| Brexit: No 10 'considering' election amid no-deal battle with MPs on 14:26 - Sep 2 with 2360 views | Guthrum |
| Brexit: No 10 'considering' election amid no-deal battle with MPs on 13:55 - Sep 2 by Ryorry |
All playing kindergarten games with the future of the UK. What a bunch of totally irresponsible, selfish, greeedy, arrogant, uncaring wonkers. Makes you despair. A pox on their houses. Ten year old children would run things better & obtain a better outcome for the country.
Time for a second English Revolution - and one that will work this time!! |
Problem is, the alternative parties people can vote for (if not in Scotland, Wales or NI) are limited to Farage's mob, the niche and sometimes rather odd Greens or the Remainery and still-tainted-by-Coalition LibDems. A few seats have the option of an independent or a Tigger, but not many.
Think all of those will do better than normal on the wave of disaffection, but doubt even the LibDems will be strong enough to actually form a government. | |
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| Brexit: No 10 'considering' election amid no-deal battle with MPs on 14:27 - Sep 2 with 2351 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Brexit: No 10 'considering' election amid no-deal battle with MPs on 13:10 - Sep 2 by Guthrum |
Yes, a complete deadlock.
The Johnson-Cummings clique is desperately trying to hold on until 1st November.
Labour are desperately hedging and maneuvering to get Corbyn into No. 10 by any means possible.
The LibDems and the SNP (plus Greens and Plaid) are desperately trying to find a way of mounting and winning a second Referendum.
Other factions of Conservatives are desperately trying to hold a moderate line without utterly betraying their party.
Plus there is the usual mob of place-servers desperately trying to end up on the winning side with ministerial job intact. |
It's fine, they've got a new dog. |  |
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| Brexit: No 10 'considering' election amid no-deal battle with MPs on 14:31 - Sep 2 with 2340 views | nodge_blue |
| Brexit: No 10 'considering' election amid no-deal battle with MPs on 12:59 - Sep 2 by BlueRaider |
Remain side need to be careful, they may win the battle this week, but then lose the war. A GE following Parliament being seen to obstruct brexit could see a reasonable Tory majority. If the Brexit party stand aside then leavers only have one option, whereas the remain side is much more fragmented. First past the post and a 'single issue' election would work for Johnson. |
But Brexit party won't stand aside as farage has already said he won't accept anything but no deal for end of October. |  |
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| Brexit: No 10 'considering' election amid no-deal battle with MPs on 14:33 - Sep 2 with 2337 views | Ryorry |
| Brexit: No 10 'considering' election amid no-deal battle with MPs on 14:26 - Sep 2 by Guthrum |
Problem is, the alternative parties people can vote for (if not in Scotland, Wales or NI) are limited to Farage's mob, the niche and sometimes rather odd Greens or the Remainery and still-tainted-by-Coalition LibDems. A few seats have the option of an independent or a Tigger, but not many.
Think all of those will do better than normal on the wave of disaffection, but doubt even the LibDems will be strong enough to actually form a government. |
Needs all moderates to get together, including Lab & Tories as well as LD & Greens, with something & someone a bit less feeble than the silly limp lettuce leaf of 'Change'. People would unite behind a heavyweight like Ken Clarke - his chance to go out on a historic high! | |
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