| Lockdown it is then. (n/t) 20:33 - Mar 23 with 2701 views | homer_123 |
As I've been saying since last week.
This was always the end game. [Post edited 23 Mar 2020 20:37]
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| Lockdown it is then. (n/t) on 20:45 - Mar 23 with 2383 views | Girthyguy |
It had to come. This still does not seem real. But we really are going to take a catastrophic battering in term of loss of life. The NHS will be overwhelmed and will not cope. It's inevitable even with these new measures in place. |  | | |
| Lockdown it is then. (n/t) on 20:47 - Mar 23 with 2377 views | Trequartista |
Not happy at having to go out and exercise once a day. |  |
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| Lockdown it is then. (n/t) on 20:50 - Mar 23 with 2352 views | Westover |
It's about time it should have been done a couple of weeks ago. | | | |
| Lockdown it is then. (n/t) on 20:51 - Mar 23 with 2340 views | Herbivore |
Bit late but there we go, it was always coming. |  |
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| Lockdown it is then. (n/t) on 20:53 - Mar 23 with 2320 views | eireblue |
| Lockdown it is then. (n/t) on 20:47 - Mar 23 by Trequartista |
Not happy at having to go out and exercise once a day. |
Proper out loud laugh. Good work. |  | | |
| Lockdown it is then. (n/t) on 20:54 - Mar 23 with 2303 views | homer_123 |
| Lockdown it is then. (n/t) on 20:51 - Mar 23 by Herbivore |
Bit late but there we go, it was always coming. |
It's been the Govs approach to eek this out as long as possible.
It has always been where we would end.
The timing could still be right. | |
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| Lockdown it is then. (n/t) on 20:56 - Mar 23 with 2297 views | Herbivore |
| Lockdown it is then. (n/t) on 20:54 - Mar 23 by homer_123 |
It's been the Govs approach to eek this out as long as possible.
It has always been where we would end.
The timing could still be right. |
We're on the Italy trajectory. I'd say the timing could definitely have been sooner. Eeking it out has been pointless and a waste of time. | |
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| Lockdown it is then. (n/t) on 21:01 - Mar 23 with 2273 views | pointofblue |
| Lockdown it is then. (n/t) on 20:56 - Mar 23 by Herbivore |
We're on the Italy trajectory. I'd say the timing could definitely have been sooner. Eeking it out has been pointless and a waste of time. |
I don’t think they could have initiated it much sooner; if the numbers were lower when this occurred people wouldn’t have taken it seriously and police will only be able to disperse so many crowds. People’s actions have played a part in this. | |
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| Lockdown it is then. (n/t) on 21:03 - Mar 23 with 2268 views | homer_123 |
| Lockdown it is then. (n/t) on 20:56 - Mar 23 by Herbivore |
We're on the Italy trajectory. I'd say the timing could definitely have been sooner. Eeking it out has been pointless and a waste of time. |
Italy went into lockdown on the 9th March we are 2 to3 weeks behind them.
What's the date today Herbs? | |
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| Lockdown it is then. (n/t) on 21:04 - Mar 23 with 2244 views | Herbivore |
| Lockdown it is then. (n/t) on 21:03 - Mar 23 by homer_123 |
Italy went into lockdown on the 9th March we are 2 to3 weeks behind them.
What's the date today Herbs? |
We shouldn't be aspiring to be like Italy ffs. | |
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| Lockdown it is then. (n/t) on 21:05 - Mar 23 with 2242 views | pointofblue |
| Lockdown it is then. (n/t) on 21:03 - Mar 23 by homer_123 |
Italy went into lockdown on the 9th March we are 2 to3 weeks behind them.
What's the date today Herbs? |
To counter my previous post, I think the point is we needed to try and take ourselves off the Italy trajectory into a reduction of numbers. As it is we’re simply following the same path.
Intriguingly we’re the first country to put a time limit on this - three weeks then review. I can’t recall any review dates from elsewhere? | |
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| Lockdown it is then. (n/t) on 21:08 - Mar 23 with 2224 views | itfcjoe |
Still doesn’t shut down industries though, guess that will be next |  |
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| Lockdown it is then. (n/t) on 21:08 - Mar 23 with 2222 views | homer_123 |
| Lockdown it is then. (n/t) on 21:04 - Mar 23 by Herbivore |
We shouldn't be aspiring to be like Italy ffs. |
Herbs...I've called you out on this before. Stop being obtuse.
We are NOT aspiring to be like Italy. | |
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| Lockdown it is then. (n/t) on 21:11 - Mar 23 with 2201 views | uppersirbob |
| Lockdown it is then. (n/t) on 21:08 - Mar 23 by itfcjoe |
Still doesn’t shut down industries though, guess that will be next |
Strange that still got loads of blokes on building sites
But can’t go to the pub ? | | | |
| Lockdown it is then. (n/t) on 21:16 - Mar 23 with 2156 views | itfcjoe |
| Lockdown it is then. (n/t) on 21:11 - Mar 23 by uppersirbob |
Strange that still got loads of blokes on building sites
But can’t go to the pub ? |
Yep, people will work for as long as they can and try to adhere the 2m rules etc - even though will likely travel to work together | |
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| Lockdown it is then. (n/t) on 21:16 - Mar 23 with 2155 views | eireblue |
| Lockdown it is then. (n/t) on 21:03 - Mar 23 by homer_123 |
Italy went into lockdown on the 9th March we are 2 to3 weeks behind them.
What's the date today Herbs? |
The issue that is to be considered is, did what Italy do prior to the lockdown work?
It didn’t, the growth was still too much.
In the papers that experts were using, as posted by GB, one thing was clear, past a certain point, trace and isolate based on known cases, will not work. The first phase of trying to stop the spread is basically over.
One of those points is a death, without large number of known positive cases. At that point the progress cannot be slowed without proper intervention.
I think today Johnson finally did a competent address. But it could have been done earlier.
Whether the public would have accepted it two weeks ago is another matter. | | | |
| Lockdown it is then. (n/t) on 21:17 - Mar 23 with 2143 views | Herbivore |
| Lockdown it is then. (n/t) on 21:08 - Mar 23 by homer_123 |
Herbs...I've called you out on this before. Stop being obtuse.
We are NOT aspiring to be like Italy. |
You're very angsty today. I'm not being obtuse. We're following their trajectory and have done nothing to avoid following it. [Post edited 23 Mar 2020 21:18]
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| Lockdown it is then. (n/t) on 21:19 - Mar 23 with 2132 views | pointofblue |
| Lockdown it is then. (n/t) on 21:16 - Mar 23 by eireblue |
The issue that is to be considered is, did what Italy do prior to the lockdown work?
It didn’t, the growth was still too much.
In the papers that experts were using, as posted by GB, one thing was clear, past a certain point, trace and isolate based on known cases, will not work. The first phase of trying to stop the spread is basically over.
One of those points is a death, without large number of known positive cases. At that point the progress cannot be slowed without proper intervention.
I think today Johnson finally did a competent address. But it could have been done earlier.
Whether the public would have accepted it two weeks ago is another matter. |
The public weren’t accepted it at the weekend. Though I wonder how much of that was knowing what was coming so attending something ‘normal’ whilst they could - a bit like the queues at McDonalds today! | |
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| Lockdown it is then. (n/t) on 21:25 - Mar 23 with 2098 views | eireblue |
| Lockdown it is then. (n/t) on 21:19 - Mar 23 by pointofblue |
The public weren’t accepted it at the weekend. Though I wonder how much of that was knowing what was coming so attending something ‘normal’ whilst they could - a bit like the queues at McDonalds today! |
Yep, those images maybe what helps make this lockdown more acceptable.
But, it may have been better to try earlier. | | | |
| Lockdown it is then. (n/t) on 21:26 - Mar 23 with 2090 views | BloomBlue |
| Lockdown it is then. (n/t) on 21:16 - Mar 23 by eireblue |
The issue that is to be considered is, did what Italy do prior to the lockdown work?
It didn’t, the growth was still too much.
In the papers that experts were using, as posted by GB, one thing was clear, past a certain point, trace and isolate based on known cases, will not work. The first phase of trying to stop the spread is basically over.
One of those points is a death, without large number of known positive cases. At that point the progress cannot be slowed without proper intervention.
I think today Johnson finally did a competent address. But it could have been done earlier.
Whether the public would have accepted it two weeks ago is another matter. |
When you say experts in the papers, are you saying the health experts including the NHS advising Boris aren't experts ? |  | | |
| Lockdown it is then. (n/t) on 21:27 - Mar 23 with 2077 views | syntaxerror |
| Lockdown it is then. (n/t) on 21:05 - Mar 23 by pointofblue |
To counter my previous post, I think the point is we needed to try and take ourselves off the Italy trajectory into a reduction of numbers. As it is we’re simply following the same path.
Intriguingly we’re the first country to put a time limit on this - three weeks then review. I can’t recall any review dates from elsewhere? |
Poland and Czech Rep put 2 weeks on theirs a week ago.
It will be extended |  | | |
| Lockdown it is then. (n/t) on 21:28 - Mar 23 with 2063 views | strikalite |
"you must stay at home"
Well, in the evening, during the day millions of us must trundle off to work, but don't worry the four hours in the evening will make all the difference.. |  | | |
| Lockdown it is then. (n/t) on 21:57 - Mar 23 with 1959 views | eireblue |
| Lockdown it is then. (n/t) on 21:26 - Mar 23 by BloomBlue |
When you say experts in the papers, are you saying the health experts including the NHS advising Boris aren't experts ? |
No. I am referring to the scientific advice that was supplied to the Government. Some of their advice has been published. GB posted a link.
It is what I referenced in another thread when critiquing Johnson’s previous attempts at communicating with the public. E.g. the advice was to prioritise clear and transparent reasons for actions rather than reassuring the public. In Johnson’s previous announcements, he wasn’t clear and tried to blister his way through the important messages.
Similarly, the early talk about “herd immunity”, that now seems to have been dropped may well be seen as a mistake.
From the advice given to the government
“It is a political decision to consider whether it is preferable to enact stricter measures at first, lifting them gradually as required, or to start with fewer measures and add further measures if required.” | | | |
| Lockdown it is then. (n/t) on 22:33 - Mar 23 with 1896 views | Theonlywayisup |
| Lockdown it is then. (n/t) on 21:04 - Mar 23 by Herbivore |
We shouldn't be aspiring to be like Italy ffs. |
Italy are now on the decline. The maths say everyday will now be a decline for them. If we end up with similar figures to Italy that will be a success. I fear we will not though. | | | |
| Lockdown it is then. (n/t) on 22:55 - Mar 23 with 1832 views | pointofblue |
| Lockdown it is then. (n/t) on 22:33 - Mar 23 by Theonlywayisup |
Italy are now on the decline. The maths say everyday will now be a decline for them. If we end up with similar figures to Italy that will be a success. I fear we will not though. |
At the time of the national lockdown in Italy the stats were:
Persons tested - 53826
Positive cases - 9172
Deaths - 463
Our record reads at:
Persons tested - 83945
Positive cases - 5605
Deaths - 335
Our figures are lower than Italy's at the point each country has locked down; the hope is that will continue. | |
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