| Forgive me if this has been suggested before 17:43 - Apr 14 with 3204 views | BlueNomad |
One way of resolving the outstanding games of the season, which it appears, is some way off. Issues such as what will basically be a pre-season etc will delay their resumption further. So would the following work?
Scrap the cup competitions next season, thus freeing up dates. Carry this season over to create a double-season which counts the games played and points earned and add them to games from the 2020/21 season. In our case, for example, we would play eight extra league games by May 2021. The fact that hitting a good run might see us back in the reckoning, or even help Norwich stay up, is not my main consideration but seems fair. [Post edited 14 Apr 2020 17:50]
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| Forgive me if this has been suggested before on 17:51 - Apr 14 with 2534 views | longtimefan |
My personal view is that anything that changes the rules for the current season is unfair. You complete this season whever that becomes possible and however long it takes. You start next season with rule changes if necessary, such as only playing each team on a home or away basis. Whatever way you do it though, you do it with rule changes upfront, so that every team knows the rules when the season starts. |  | | |
| Forgive me if this has been suggested before on 18:01 - Apr 14 with 2519 views | BlueNomad |
| Forgive me if this has been suggested before on 17:51 - Apr 14 by longtimefan |
My personal view is that anything that changes the rules for the current season is unfair. You complete this season whever that becomes possible and however long it takes. You start next season with rule changes if necessary, such as only playing each team on a home or away basis. Whatever way you do it though, you do it with rule changes upfront, so that every team knows the rules when the season starts. |
There is no precedent, WW2 had only just started when it was stopped, so it might be necessary to be creative rather than cling to the rules that never foresaw this situation. Games played behind closed doors into July would be an anti-climax and if they were to continue that long next season would be extremely long, leading to injuries etc. | | | |
| Forgive me if this has been suggested before on 18:09 - Apr 14 with 2506 views | longtimefan |
| Forgive me if this has been suggested before on 18:01 - Apr 14 by BlueNomad |
There is no precedent, WW2 had only just started when it was stopped, so it might be necessary to be creative rather than cling to the rules that never foresaw this situation. Games played behind closed doors into July would be an anti-climax and if they were to continue that long next season would be extremely long, leading to injuries etc. |
That's my point - continue this season once safe to do so, and set the rules for next season when this one is finished. If games continue into next season access the situation then, and if neccesary have a short layoff and then only play half the games ie. only play each team either home of away. | | | |
| Forgive me if this has been suggested before on 18:24 - Apr 14 with 2481 views | BlueNomad |
| Forgive me if this has been suggested before on 18:09 - Apr 14 by longtimefan |
That's my point - continue this season once safe to do so, and set the rules for next season when this one is finished. If games continue into next season access the situation then, and if neccesary have a short layoff and then only play half the games ie. only play each team either home of away. |
Then there will be loads of grizzling over who has the “easiest” fixtures. | | | |
| Forgive me if this has been suggested before on 18:28 - Apr 14 with 2468 views | C_HealyIsAPleasure |
| Forgive me if this has been suggested before on 18:09 - Apr 14 by longtimefan |
That's my point - continue this season once safe to do so, and set the rules for next season when this one is finished. If games continue into next season access the situation then, and if neccesary have a short layoff and then only play half the games ie. only play each team either home of away. |
So ruin 2 seasons instead of 1? [Post edited 14 Apr 2020 18:31]
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| Forgive me if this has been suggested before on 18:30 - Apr 14 with 2468 views | Ftnfwest |
Don’t Argentina do some sort of thing where titles and qualifications/relegations work out over a two year course or something? |  | | |
| Forgive me if this has been suggested before on 18:39 - Apr 14 with 2444 views | factual_blue |
I'd have thought the answer is obvious
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| Forgive me if this has been suggested before on 21:25 - Apr 14 with 2331 views | longtimefan |
| Forgive me if this has been suggested before on 18:28 - Apr 14 by C_HealyIsAPleasure |
So ruin 2 seasons instead of 1? [Post edited 14 Apr 2020 18:31]
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But would this season be strictly ruined? It will have an extended break but will be completed with promotions and relegations decided by the rules in place at the start of the season, which in my view is the fairest approach. Unless we get a vaccine I suspect even next season is likely to affected by starts and stops as infection rates grow and diminish. [Post edited 14 Apr 2020 21:28]
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| Forgive me if this has been suggested before on 21:31 - Apr 14 with 2319 views | BlueBadger |
| Forgive me if this has been suggested before on 21:25 - Apr 14 by longtimefan |
But would this season be strictly ruined? It will have an extended break but will be completed with promotions and relegations decided by the rules in place at the start of the season, which in my view is the fairest approach. Unless we get a vaccine I suspect even next season is likely to affected by starts and stops as infection rates grow and diminish. [Post edited 14 Apr 2020 21:28]
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Given the way Lambert's been managing us, this season has been ruined long before that |  |
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| Forgive me if this has been suggested before on 21:45 - Apr 14 with 2301 views | Pinewoodblue |
FA rules used to be that the season ends on 1st June. They should rescind the decision to extend it,
When I was a kid you were not allowed to kick a football on the recreation ground after 31st May. |  |
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| Forgive me if this has been suggested before on 08:33 - Apr 15 with 2068 views | itfcjoe |
| Forgive me if this has been suggested before on 18:28 - Apr 14 by C_HealyIsAPleasure |
So ruin 2 seasons instead of 1? [Post edited 14 Apr 2020 18:31]
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I don't see how setting the parameters for next season in advance of it, when we know where we are would ruin it |  |
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| Forgive me if this has been suggested before on 08:48 - Apr 15 with 2043 views | BloomBlue |
| Forgive me if this has been suggested before on 18:09 - Apr 14 by longtimefan |
That's my point - continue this season once safe to do so, and set the rules for next season when this one is finished. If games continue into next season access the situation then, and if neccesary have a short layoff and then only play half the games ie. only play each team either home of away. |
But if you only play half the games it's going to kill many clubs financially. For example Ipswich would only be able to sell half price season tickets because only half the games would be at home but players would still be earning the same amount of money.
Void the season now (as there are only a few games left) and have a full season next season. |  | | |
| Forgive me if this has been suggested before on 09:10 - Apr 15 with 2007 views | C_HealyIsAPleasure |
| Forgive me if this has been suggested before on 21:25 - Apr 14 by longtimefan |
But would this season be strictly ruined? It will have an extended break but will be completed with promotions and relegations decided by the rules in place at the start of the season, which in my view is the fairest approach. Unless we get a vaccine I suspect even next season is likely to affected by starts and stops as infection rates grow and diminish. [Post edited 14 Apr 2020 21:28]
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Unless the season can resume quickly, it will be restarted after an extensive break, with players not up to match fitness playing games coming at breakneck speed. Some teams will benefit getting key players back and squads will inevitably have changed as a number of player contracts will expire at the end of June
Clearly the Premier League will end up dictating what the FL does, and at the moment all the noises are clubs are looking to find a way to finish the season as dropping games will mean losing/giving back a chunk of TV money. However, if the delay is prolonged and it becomes inevitable that a season is going to have to be cut somewhere, I expect there will be a big shift to abandoning this one and preserving next season, on the basis that:
1) whether this season is completed or not will be moot to most clubs (and in some cases in their interests)
2) completing a season where one team is 15+ points clear will be less attractive to TV companies than the brand new one
Question would then be what happens to this one - ie. void or considered complete, or some arbitrary hybrid where a small selection of games are played to decide key positions (completely unsatisfactory and unlikely to be agreeable)
Of course, if things can restart in time to complete this season and play next year in full then great, however if not working out how to resolve things becomes a lot easier once you let go of the idea that this season must be completed at all costs, IMO | |
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| Forgive me if this has been suggested before on 09:11 - Apr 15 with 2000 views | C_HealyIsAPleasure |
| Forgive me if this has been suggested before on 08:33 - Apr 15 by itfcjoe |
I don't see how setting the parameters for next season in advance of it, when we know where we are would ruin it |
It will ruined as it won’t be a full season, and and solution without each team playing each other twice at home and away will lead to some teams having an unfair advantage, quite obviously | |
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| Forgive me if this has been suggested before on 09:17 - Apr 15 with 1987 views | Ely_Blue |
| Forgive me if this has been suggested before on 08:48 - Apr 15 by BloomBlue |
But if you only play half the games it's going to kill many clubs financially. For example Ipswich would only be able to sell half price season tickets because only half the games would be at home but players would still be earning the same amount of money.
Void the season now (as there are only a few games left) and have a full season next season. |
And then ruin 2 seasons? Why cut short this season and start next season in the same place as this one started? Those teams who were strong at the start of this season or who have had the season of their lives (or a mare in the opposite scenario) would have an unfair advantage/disadvantage.
The only way would be to finish this season whenever that is and re assess the timelines for next season after that |  |
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| Forgive me if this has been suggested before on 09:21 - Apr 15 with 1979 views | BloomBlue |
| Forgive me if this has been suggested before on 09:17 - Apr 15 by Ely_Blue |
And then ruin 2 seasons? Why cut short this season and start next season in the same place as this one started? Those teams who were strong at the start of this season or who have had the season of their lives (or a mare in the opposite scenario) would have an unfair advantage/disadvantage.
The only way would be to finish this season whenever that is and re assess the timelines for next season after that |
But we would only ruin one season, this season. We start next season as normal and play a full season. | | | |
| Forgive me if this has been suggested before on 09:31 - Apr 15 with 1960 views | BlueNomad |
| Forgive me if this has been suggested before on 09:17 - Apr 15 by Ely_Blue |
And then ruin 2 seasons? Why cut short this season and start next season in the same place as this one started? Those teams who were strong at the start of this season or who have had the season of their lives (or a mare in the opposite scenario) would have an unfair advantage/disadvantage.
The only way would be to finish this season whenever that is and re assess the timelines for next season after that |
Nothing is perfect and no solution will be great. In the context of what is going on in the world that must be accepted. I feel that my OP would mean that by May 2021 football will be back in balance and the efforts of clubs in this abortive season will still be rewarded. If a particular club are having the season of their lives or a nightmare then so be it - for example if Sheff Utd finish midtable next year as a result of combining the seasons then it is hardly going to change the world. | | | |
| Forgive me if this has been suggested before on 09:31 - Apr 15 with 1960 views | Ely_Blue |
| Forgive me if this has been suggested before on 09:21 - Apr 15 by BloomBlue |
But we would only ruin one season, this season. We start next season as normal and play a full season. |
But you don’t start next season as “normal” do you.
Imagine what a let off Bolton would get, do we reinstate Bury? Will Liverpool ever hit the form that has seen them trounce everything in front of them? Will Sheff Utd ever get into that position where they are challenging for a CL place? Will Wolves ever have such a chance to win the Europa league....... where do you stop with that? | |
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| Forgive me if this has been suggested before on 09:55 - Apr 15 with 1932 views | itfcjoe |
| Forgive me if this has been suggested before on 09:11 - Apr 15 by C_HealyIsAPleasure |
It will ruined as it won’t be a full season, and and solution without each team playing each other twice at home and away will lead to some teams having an unfair advantage, quite obviously |
It might be a full season, on a different schedule, there might be other ways around it.
If something is agreed in advance by all competitors and it plays out as such then it is by it's nature 'fair' | |
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| Forgive me if this has been suggested before on 09:56 - Apr 15 with 1931 views | itfcjoe |
| Forgive me if this has been suggested before on 09:21 - Apr 15 by BloomBlue |
But we would only ruin one season, this season. We start next season as normal and play a full season. |
How do we know we are ready to go in August to start as normal? How do we know there won't be a second wave?
These questions can't be answered - there is no need to prioritise a season that hasn't started over one that is nearly finished. | |
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| Forgive me if this has been suggested before on 10:15 - Apr 15 with 1904 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Forgive me if this has been suggested before on 18:39 - Apr 14 by factual_blue |
I'd have thought the answer is obvious
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Portman Road’s the place to go if you want both of those. |  |
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| Forgive me if this has been suggested before on 10:41 - Apr 15 with 1877 views | C_HealyIsAPleasure |
| Forgive me if this has been suggested before on 09:55 - Apr 15 by itfcjoe |
It might be a full season, on a different schedule, there might be other ways around it.
If something is agreed in advance by all competitors and it plays out as such then it is by it's nature 'fair' |
Clearly if this season can be completed and next season played in full then great. Clearly any conversation around cutting short a season is on the premise that won’t be possible though
It clearly wouldn’t be fair if teams have different sets of fixtures - some teams would wind up with an easier fixture list and the season would forever have an asterisk against it as a result | |
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| Forgive me if this has been suggested before on 10:44 - Apr 15 with 1868 views | mrshallisfit |
I think we should take a lead from Jimmy Bullard. Rock, Paper, Scissors. | | | |
| Forgive me if this has been suggested before on 10:44 - Apr 15 with 1868 views | itfcjoe |
| Forgive me if this has been suggested before on 10:41 - Apr 15 by C_HealyIsAPleasure |
Clearly if this season can be completed and next season played in full then great. Clearly any conversation around cutting short a season is on the premise that won’t be possible though
It clearly wouldn’t be fair if teams have different sets of fixtures - some teams would wind up with an easier fixture list and the season would forever have an asterisk against it as a result |
Football is never fair, teams play others in different conditions with different injury or suspension lists or game pressures. The teams that played Leicester over Xmas when they made 11 changes didn't get a fair game compared to teams playing them with a weeks rest etc.
I'd personally play everyone home or away, split the table in 2 and then play the reverse fixture - all your competitors will have played the same fixtures, and a quarter of the season is gone, lose the cup games to an extent.
But depends when we can get playing - but for me the priority needs to be finish this season then sort out next | |
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| Forgive me if this has been suggested before on 10:47 - Apr 15 with 1852 views | Radlett_blue |
| Forgive me if this has been suggested before on 10:44 - Apr 15 by itfcjoe |
Football is never fair, teams play others in different conditions with different injury or suspension lists or game pressures. The teams that played Leicester over Xmas when they made 11 changes didn't get a fair game compared to teams playing them with a weeks rest etc.
I'd personally play everyone home or away, split the table in 2 and then play the reverse fixture - all your competitors will have played the same fixtures, and a quarter of the season is gone, lose the cup games to an extent.
But depends when we can get playing - but for me the priority needs to be finish this season then sort out next |
Yes, as & when football can resume - and domestic leagues should be easier to start then European competitions - get the leagues finished & scrap the FA Cup. A good case also for scrapping the play offs & promoting the team which finished highest. |  |
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