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Why people are anti-vaxxers, climate change deniers, etc 21:31 - Apr 20 with 1572 viewsfactual_blue

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Why people are anti-vaxxers, climate change deniers, etc on 00:53 - Apr 21 with 1512 viewsBlueBadger


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Why people are anti-vaxxers, climate change deniers, etc on 07:57 - Apr 21 with 1457 viewsWeWereZombies

'Oswald did not act alone in the Kennedy assassination.'



But then what do expect from someone who hangs around with The Band?
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Why people are anti-vaxxers, climate change deniers, etc on 08:12 - Apr 21 with 1439 viewsfactual_blue

Why people are anti-vaxxers, climate change deniers, etc on 07:57 - Apr 21 by WeWereZombies

'Oswald did not act alone in the Kennedy assassination.'



But then what do expect from someone who hangs around with The Band?
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In that song Dylan also alleges the Moonlight Sonata is in F♯, whereas it's in C♯ minor.


We'll allow the Nobel Laureate plenty of poetic licence I think.

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Why people are anti-vaxxers, climate change deniers, etc on 08:14 - Apr 21 with 1438 viewsfactual_blue

Why people are anti-vaxxers, climate change deniers, etc on 00:53 - Apr 21 by BlueBadger



Baddiel's response to a tweet in which somebody said they hoped they'd read Baddiel's obituary soon.

'Well, only one of us two is getting one, mate'.

(Or words to that effect).

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Why people are anti-vaxxers, climate change deniers, etc on 08:14 - Apr 21 with 1439 viewsHarry_Palmer

Have you got anything about why most people believe everything their Government tells them and follow their guidelines without question even though they have a long history of telling lies to the public? I'd like to see the psychology on that one.
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Why people are anti-vaxxers, climate change deniers, etc on 08:16 - Apr 21 with 1438 viewsbluelagos

Some interesting insights there.

And anyone who thinks they've never ever believed a conspiracy theory should ask yourself why you ever believed any of the lies propagated by the SYP and their apologists? Years of not only believing that conspiracy but repeating it...even for some when the evidence was staring them in the face.

I have often said it was an "uncomfortable truth" and that very much ties in with "The desire for understanding and certainty" aspect she highlights. Who would want to believe that those nice policemen (Who we all trust to keep us safe) killed innocent people and then lied for years about it?

Anyhow - don't wish to open a can or worms, just a food for thought if/when you get too judgemental of others for believing a "dishonest crock of sh1t", you might just have done so yourself once...

Time for some fresh air.
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Why people are anti-vaxxers, climate change deniers, etc on 08:24 - Apr 21 with 1426 viewsfactual_blue

Why people are anti-vaxxers, climate change deniers, etc on 08:14 - Apr 21 by Harry_Palmer

Have you got anything about why most people believe everything their Government tells them and follow their guidelines without question even though they have a long history of telling lies to the public? I'd like to see the psychology on that one.


If you're talking about why people follow the coronavirus guidelines, I'd say that it's because those guidelines are backed by a solid body of scientific evidence.

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Why people are anti-vaxxers, climate change deniers, etc on 08:25 - Apr 21 with 1425 viewsMullet

Why people are anti-vaxxers, climate change deniers, etc on 08:14 - Apr 21 by Harry_Palmer

Have you got anything about why most people believe everything their Government tells them and follow their guidelines without question even though they have a long history of telling lies to the public? I'd like to see the psychology on that one.


That assumes that they have no socialisation from parents, peers etc. before coming into contact with "the government". That they develop no critical thinking skills, or come into contact with a range of sources via the media and education before receiving direct input from "the government". Let alone that "the government" is a fixed entity with some sort of consistent staffing, approach and design.

Your comparison simply doesn't add up. The psychology of social consensus is fairly easy to observe and understand. The idea that conspiracy theorists are some equal but alternative form of intellectual powerhouses is just a contemporary twist on the religious cult.

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Why people are anti-vaxxers, climate change deniers, etc on 08:35 - Apr 21 with 1404 viewsGeoffSentence

"The researchers found that reasons for believing in conspiracy theories can be grouped into three categories:

The desire for understanding and certainty
The desire for control and security
The desire to maintain a positive self-image"

Could also explain religion.

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Why people are anti-vaxxers, climate change deniers, etc on 08:35 - Apr 21 with 1401 viewsGlasgowBlue

Why people are anti-vaxxers, climate change deniers, etc on 08:25 - Apr 21 by Mullet

That assumes that they have no socialisation from parents, peers etc. before coming into contact with "the government". That they develop no critical thinking skills, or come into contact with a range of sources via the media and education before receiving direct input from "the government". Let alone that "the government" is a fixed entity with some sort of consistent staffing, approach and design.

Your comparison simply doesn't add up. The psychology of social consensus is fairly easy to observe and understand. The idea that conspiracy theorists are some equal but alternative form of intellectual powerhouses is just a contemporary twist on the religious cult.


When things get back to normal I recommend this one man show which blows open the dangerous world of conspiracy theories.



Cotty pointed me in his direction a while ago. He’s from your part of the world. I caught up with the show in Edinburgh last year.
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Why people are anti-vaxxers, climate change deniers, etc on 08:41 - Apr 21 with 1389 viewsbluelagos

Why people are anti-vaxxers, climate change deniers, etc on 08:35 - Apr 21 by GeoffSentence

"The researchers found that reasons for believing in conspiracy theories can be grouped into three categories:

The desire for understanding and certainty
The desire for control and security
The desire to maintain a positive self-image"

Could also explain religion.


Or people joining the police?

*No, that is a joke on my part. I know a few (mainly ex) coppers and they are mostly good people, if blinkered.

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Why people are anti-vaxxers, climate change deniers, etc on 08:42 - Apr 21 with 1390 viewsHerbivore

Why people are anti-vaxxers, climate change deniers, etc on 08:14 - Apr 21 by Harry_Palmer

Have you got anything about why most people believe everything their Government tells them and follow their guidelines without question even though they have a long history of telling lies to the public? I'd like to see the psychology on that one.


I think you're starting with a false premise there, it's highly doubtful that most people believe everything their government tells them. Spend more than 5 minutes on this forum and you'll see that's not the case. People are more likely, though, to trust scientists and medical professionals.

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Why people are anti-vaxxers, climate change deniers, etc on 09:46 - Apr 21 with 1342 viewsWeWereZombies

Why people are anti-vaxxers, climate change deniers, etc on 08:12 - Apr 21 by factual_blue

In that song Dylan also alleges the Moonlight Sonata is in F♯, whereas it's in C♯ minor.


We'll allow the Nobel Laureate plenty of poetic licence I think.


Do you also post as ericclacton...?

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Why people are anti-vaxxers, climate change deniers, etc on 09:48 - Apr 21 with 1337 viewsHarry_Palmer

Why people are anti-vaxxers, climate change deniers, etc on 08:42 - Apr 21 by Herbivore

I think you're starting with a false premise there, it's highly doubtful that most people believe everything their government tells them. Spend more than 5 minutes on this forum and you'll see that's not the case. People are more likely, though, to trust scientists and medical professionals.


Yes I take that point. I was being slightly facetious in my comment which probably didn't really come across.
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Why people are anti-vaxxers, climate change deniers, etc on 11:17 - Apr 21 with 1286 viewsfactual_blue

Why people are anti-vaxxers, climate change deniers, etc on 09:46 - Apr 21 by WeWereZombies

Do you also post as ericclacton...?


No...it's just that I played the Moonlight Sonata appallingly when forced to have piano lessons as a youngster.

After about one million attempts, I'd more or less mastered (in the sense of getting to the end with relatively few mistakes) the first movement, and could have a passable stab at the second movement and it's tricky syncopations. Never even tried the third movement.

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Why people are anti-vaxxers, climate change deniers, etc on 12:01 - Apr 21 with 1258 viewsmanchego

Why people are anti-vaxxers, climate change deniers, etc on 11:17 - Apr 21 by factual_blue

No...it's just that I played the Moonlight Sonata appallingly when forced to have piano lessons as a youngster.

After about one million attempts, I'd more or less mastered (in the sense of getting to the end with relatively few mistakes) the first movement, and could have a passable stab at the second movement and it's tricky syncopations. Never even tried the third movement.


I've got a kid playing the 3rd mvt and it is indeed a nightmare.
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