| Mysterious Missing Managers 14:02 - Sep 2 with 5020 views | ArnoldMoorhen |
All this talk of managers got me thinking about managers of the past who seemed to be doing, or have done, a good job, then they seemingly disappeared and weren't considered again.
I mean, I could Google, but it might take an age to find out, and the TWTD hive mind might know, why on earth weren't the following offered jobs? Or did they choose to retire?
I'll start with:
David O'Leary
Brian Little
Alan Curbishley |  | | |  |
| Mysterious Missing Managers on 14:07 - Sep 2 with 2286 views | hype313 |
O'Leary is at Arsenal in some capacity, Little went through the leagues, and ended up at Jersey and Curbishley never seemed to get the appetite back after his battles in court with West Ham (Which he walked away with a decent sum)
Gary Megson's the one we all need to make sure has officially retired. |  |
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| Mysterious Missing Managers on 14:27 - Sep 2 with 2242 views | ArnoldMoorhen |
| Mysterious Missing Managers on 14:07 - Sep 2 by hype313 |
O'Leary is at Arsenal in some capacity, Little went through the leagues, and ended up at Jersey and Curbishley never seemed to get the appetite back after his battles in court with West Ham (Which he walked away with a decent sum)
Gary Megson's the one we all need to make sure has officially retired. |
Thank you.
Do you know why O'Leary didn't continue in management? He did a good job at Leeds, iirc. | | | |
| Mysterious Missing Managers on 14:34 - Sep 2 with 2215 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| Mysterious Missing Managers on 14:27 - Sep 2 by ArnoldMoorhen |
Thank you.
Do you know why O'Leary didn't continue in management? He did a good job at Leeds, iirc. |
Didn't he manage Villa after that?
When he was at Leeds I think him and Ridsdale believed their own hype too much, and they gambled to whole future of Leeds on getting into the Champions League. They lost their gamble and destroyed the club in the process. |  |
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| Mysterious Missing Managers on 14:35 - Sep 2 with 2211 views | Herbivore |
I always thought Trevor Francis disappeared from management fairly abruptly and without spending several years on the one to two year merry-go-round of ever decreasing returns. |  |
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| Mysterious Missing Managers on 14:36 - Sep 2 with 2209 views | Pique |
I’d add O’Leary’s predecessor at Leeds to that list: George Graham.
He’s 75 now, but he was only 56 when Spurs sacked him and never managed since, despite a trophy laden managerial career. |  | | |
| Mysterious Missing Managers on 14:37 - Sep 2 with 2197 views | Pique |
| Mysterious Missing Managers on 14:35 - Sep 2 by Herbivore |
I always thought Trevor Francis disappeared from management fairly abruptly and without spending several years on the one to two year merry-go-round of ever decreasing returns. |
Yeah, he did well at Sheffield Wednesday and then vanished. | | | |
| Mysterious Missing Managers on 14:38 - Sep 2 with 2188 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| Mysterious Missing Managers on 14:37 - Sep 2 by Pique |
Yeah, he did well at Sheffield Wednesday and then vanished. |
...to Birmingham. | |
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| Mysterious Missing Managers on 14:40 - Sep 2 with 2172 views | Herbivore |
| Mysterious Missing Managers on 14:38 - Sep 2 by Marshalls_Mullet |
...to Birmingham. |
Where he also did a pretty good job overall. I think he was under 50 when he left his last managerial job. | |
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| Mysterious Missing Managers on 14:42 - Sep 2 with 2164 views | Pique |
| Mysterious Missing Managers on 14:38 - Sep 2 by Marshalls_Mullet |
...to Birmingham. |
Lol, I’d completely forgotten his Birmingham stint.
Gerry Francis is another one who seemed to disappear - his QPR team was quite impressive and I thought he did OK at Spurs (although clearly my memory is on the blink). | | | |
| Mysterious Missing Managers on 14:47 - Sep 2 with 2133 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| Mysterious Missing Managers on 14:42 - Sep 2 by Pique |
Lol, I’d completely forgotten his Birmingham stint.
Gerry Francis is another one who seemed to disappear - his QPR team was quite impressive and I thought he did OK at Spurs (although clearly my memory is on the blink). |
Seem to recall he got replaced by Steve Bruce who was given a big transfer budget. | |
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| Mysterious Missing Managers on 14:49 - Sep 2 with 2129 views | Pique |
| Mysterious Missing Managers on 14:47 - Sep 2 by Marshalls_Mullet |
Seem to recall he got replaced by Steve Bruce who was given a big transfer budget. |
Yes - I think Francis actually signed Bruce to play for a season didn’t he? | | | |
| Mysterious Missing Managers on 14:55 - Sep 2 with 2104 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| Mysterious Missing Managers on 14:49 - Sep 2 by Pique |
Yes - I think Francis actually signed Bruce to play for a season didn’t he? |
Yes, I think you're right. Big signing at the time.
I might be wrong about Bruce replacing Francis, it maybe been Fry that he replaced. | |
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| Mysterious Missing Managers on 14:59 - Sep 2 with 2094 views | ArnoldMoorhen |
| Mysterious Missing Managers on 14:42 - Sep 2 by Pique |
Lol, I’d completely forgotten his Birmingham stint.
Gerry Francis is another one who seemed to disappear - his QPR team was quite impressive and I thought he did OK at Spurs (although clearly my memory is on the blink). |
Yes. He's a very good example.
I've done some Wikipediaing now. Reading Gerry Francis' wiki, he did better with Spurs than he did with lower division clubs, in the main, and settled back into a number 2 role.
O'Leary wrote a book, Leeds United on Trial, about the Bowyer/Woodcote etc assault, and this alienated fans who accused him of cashing in. Ridsdale was responsible for the money side of things at Leeds. Although O'Leary had them finishing never lower than 5th, Ridsdale had budgeted for Champions League finishes.
O'Leary then did a decent job at Villa. In his final season things had faded, but they still retained Prem status. Not enough for deadly Doug Ellis.
A waste of a good manager who promoted and developed youth, in my opinion. | | | |
| Mysterious Missing Managers on 15:06 - Sep 2 with 2075 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| Mysterious Missing Managers on 14:59 - Sep 2 by ArnoldMoorhen |
Yes. He's a very good example.
I've done some Wikipediaing now. Reading Gerry Francis' wiki, he did better with Spurs than he did with lower division clubs, in the main, and settled back into a number 2 role.
O'Leary wrote a book, Leeds United on Trial, about the Bowyer/Woodcote etc assault, and this alienated fans who accused him of cashing in. Ridsdale was responsible for the money side of things at Leeds. Although O'Leary had them finishing never lower than 5th, Ridsdale had budgeted for Champions League finishes.
O'Leary then did a decent job at Villa. In his final season things had faded, but they still retained Prem status. Not enough for deadly Doug Ellis.
A waste of a good manager who promoted and developed youth, in my opinion. |
To be fair, Oleary probably spent as much as anyone else during that period. So top 5 was not above expectations. | |
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| Mysterious Missing Managers on 15:14 - Sep 2 with 2063 views | Pique |
| Mysterious Missing Managers on 15:06 - Sep 2 by Marshalls_Mullet |
To be fair, Oleary probably spent as much as anyone else during that period. So top 5 was not above expectations. |
Not that he was a top, top manager, but Frank Clark at Forest is one I always find a bit odd. Takes over from Clough (not easy), gets them promoted first time, buys Collymore, Bryan Roy, turns Steve Stone into an England player, finishes third in their first season back in the Premiership, gets to the quarter finals (I think) of the UEFA Cup the next year...and that’s it. Think he might have had a brief stint at Man City, then vanished. | | | |
| Mysterious Missing Managers on 15:15 - Sep 2 with 2054 views | ArnoldMoorhen |
| Mysterious Missing Managers on 14:36 - Sep 2 by Pique |
I’d add O’Leary’s predecessor at Leeds to that list: George Graham.
He’s 75 now, but he was only 56 when Spurs sacked him and never managed since, despite a trophy laden managerial career. |
Graham was found guilty of receiving illegal payments whilst at Arsenal. Then bailed on Leeds (where he worked with Ridsdale) when Spurs came in. Spurs new owners sacked him for leaking information, which he denied.
He got a job with Sky. So it looks like it was a combination of easy media money for him and Boards of other clubs being wary. | | | |
| Mysterious Missing Managers on 15:20 - Sep 2 with 2035 views | Illinoisblue |
John Gregory. Paul Jewell. |  |
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| Mysterious Missing Managers on 15:35 - Sep 2 with 2004 views | BlueandTruesince82 |
| Mysterious Missing Managers on 14:36 - Sep 2 by Pique |
I’d add O’Leary’s predecessor at Leeds to that list: George Graham.
He’s 75 now, but he was only 56 when Spurs sacked him and never managed since, despite a trophy laden managerial career. |
Wasnt the issue with Graham some brown envelopes.... Muxh like El Tel who vanished after England despite delivering our best Tournament since Robson... no one cane close since? |  |
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| Mysterious Missing Managers on 15:38 - Sep 2 with 1986 views | BLUEBEAT |
| Mysterious Missing Managers on 14:42 - Sep 2 by Pique |
Lol, I’d completely forgotten his Birmingham stint.
Gerry Francis is another one who seemed to disappear - his QPR team was quite impressive and I thought he did OK at Spurs (although clearly my memory is on the blink). |
Gerry Francis left the spotlight due to hair shaming |  |
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| Mysterious Missing Managers on 15:43 - Sep 2 with 1980 views | Ftnfwest |
it always used to be the case that the majority of players who left us in the 'glory years' of the mid/late 70's - early 80's never did a huge amount elsewhere (or at least not exceed what they did here with one or two exceptions - Jonno/Muhren) but since Bobby in terms of managers they've all been pretty dire as well since leaving haven't they? Apart from MM who went on to take Gibraltar apart of course. |  | | |
| Mysterious Missing Managers on 15:44 - Sep 2 with 1970 views | Herbivore |
| Mysterious Missing Managers on 15:43 - Sep 2 by Ftnfwest |
it always used to be the case that the majority of players who left us in the 'glory years' of the mid/late 70's - early 80's never did a huge amount elsewhere (or at least not exceed what they did here with one or two exceptions - Jonno/Muhren) but since Bobby in terms of managers they've all been pretty dire as well since leaving haven't they? Apart from MM who went on to take Gibraltar apart of course. |
Burley did pretty well at Saints, Hearts and Derby. Never quite reached the heights he did with us but did well enough in those jobs. | |
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| Mysterious Missing Managers on 15:45 - Sep 2 with 1973 views | Ftnfwest |
| Mysterious Missing Managers on 15:44 - Sep 2 by Herbivore |
Burley did pretty well at Saints, Hearts and Derby. Never quite reached the heights he did with us but did well enough in those jobs. |
and i guess managed the jocks no worse than anyone else! | | | |
| Mysterious Missing Managers on 15:48 - Sep 2 with 1952 views | Swansea_Blue |
Pochettino's not gone anywhere since leaving Spurs nearly a year ago.
Sign him up Marcus!! |  |
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| Mysterious Missing Managers on 15:49 - Sep 2 with 1955 views | Ace_High1 |
Not quite the same level and he is back now but Andre Villas -Boas? Seemed to ride off this wave of being Mourinho Mk II and got both the Chelsea and Tottenham jobs with no really credentials?
Another amusing one was Avram Grant - how or why he got both the Chelsea and West Ham jobs - wow! |  | | |
| Mysterious Missing Managers on 15:54 - Sep 2 with 1940 views | BlueandTruesince82 |
| Mysterious Missing Managers on 15:49 - Sep 2 by Ace_High1 |
Not quite the same level and he is back now but Andre Villas -Boas? Seemed to ride off this wave of being Mourinho Mk II and got both the Chelsea and Tottenham jobs with no really credentials?
Another amusing one was Avram Grant - how or why he got both the Chelsea and West Ham jobs - wow! |
Boas has kicked around, was in Russia for a while.... poss back in Portugal now? | |
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