| Baggot interest 14:26 - Jan 3 with 3987 views | George25 |
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| Baggot interest on 14:45 - Jan 3 with 3862 views | unstableblue |
One of the best academy prospects we’ve ever had.... again hope we bring him through and get a first team season out of him... and get his value to the right level |  |
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| Baggot interest on 15:02 - Jan 3 with 3774 views | Illinoisblue |
| Baggot interest on 14:45 - Jan 3 by unstableblue |
One of the best academy prospects we’ve ever had.... again hope we bring him through and get a first team season out of him... and get his value to the right level |
What is that based on? I fear once again our youth prospects are being hyped up. |  |
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| Baggot interest on 15:47 - Jan 3 with 3569 views | Parky |
| Baggot interest on 15:02 - Jan 3 by Illinoisblue |
What is that based on? I fear once again our youth prospects are being hyped up. |
I might be completely wrong, but I definitely think he’s an exciting prospect.
Factoring in the fact he is only 18 years old, is now a regular in our Under 23’s and by all accounts is excelling. Didn’t look out of place on his professional debut.
The way he’s built for an 18 year old gives him a massive advantage. Left footed centre backs are hard to come by these days as well, so that’s a massive plus.
If we don’t go up this season and are hindered by the salary cap, I would fully expect us to be looking at Baggott to make the step up. |  | | |
| Baggot interest on 16:00 - Jan 3 with 3481 views | wkj |
| Baggot interest on 15:02 - Jan 3 by Illinoisblue |
What is that based on? I fear once again our youth prospects are being hyped up. |
From what ive seen in reports he's definitely not without heaps of potential. |  |
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| Baggot interest on 16:31 - Jan 3 with 3365 views | jayessess |
| Baggot interest on 15:02 - Jan 3 by Illinoisblue |
What is that based on? I fear once again our youth prospects are being hyped up. |
As always, we're worrying about "cashing in" before the lad has even played a league match. Reality is we haven't sold an academy grad to a richer club in a decade. |  |
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| Baggot interest on 16:57 - Jan 3 with 3246 views | Illinoisblue |
| Baggot interest on 16:31 - Jan 3 by jayessess |
As always, we're worrying about "cashing in" before the lad has even played a league match. Reality is we haven't sold an academy grad to a richer club in a decade. |
Exactly. We either need youths to come into the squad and become a reliable part of that squad and/or come in and make an instant impact so impressive they’ll be sold for big money. Downes and Bishop (when fit) fall into the former category and Wickham years ago into the latter.
Our academy gets a lot of talk and hype but compare it to Forest and Norwich in terms of players making an impact and generating huge transfer fees... we don’t compare at all. | |
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| Baggot interest on 17:04 - Jan 3 with 3211 views | Ace_High1 |
| Baggot interest on 16:57 - Jan 3 by Illinoisblue |
Exactly. We either need youths to come into the squad and become a reliable part of that squad and/or come in and make an instant impact so impressive they’ll be sold for big money. Downes and Bishop (when fit) fall into the former category and Wickham years ago into the latter.
Our academy gets a lot of talk and hype but compare it to Forest and Norwich in terms of players making an impact and generating huge transfer fees... we don’t compare at all. |
if this lad is that good he should be In the team now.
We are League 1 FFS - 17/18 if they are any good get them in.
If he is rated and linked with Man Utd he must be a better bet than the Arsenal loanee (pointless signing) Nsiala or Wilson? |  | | |
| Baggot interest on 17:19 - Jan 3 with 3154 views | southnorfolkblue |
| Baggot interest on 17:04 - Jan 3 by Ace_High1 |
if this lad is that good he should be In the team now.
We are League 1 FFS - 17/18 if they are any good get them in.
If he is rated and linked with Man Utd he must be a better bet than the Arsenal loanee (pointless signing) Nsiala or Wilson? |
Not necessarily. Look at Dylan Crowe. He was linked a couple of years back with PL sides and he hasn’t kicked on. Being a promising youngster means nothing. We won the FA Youth Cup a few years back and most of that team never made the grade.
I haven’t seen enough of this guy to form a view on him either way but we do seem to get carried away by some of our youngsters on here sometimes. Its not as though we’re producing youngsters like Wright Dyer and Bramble is it | |
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| Baggot interest on 17:46 - Jan 3 with 3042 views | Herbivore |
| Baggot interest on 16:31 - Jan 3 by jayessess |
As always, we're worrying about "cashing in" before the lad has even played a league match. Reality is we haven't sold an academy grad to a richer club in a decade. |
The problem is our best young players will end up being poached before they can do enough in our side to earn a big move. Charlie Brown went to Chelsea, Ben Knight to Man City, the lad whose name I can't remember now went to Arsenal. All in the past few years, all amongst our brighter youth prospects. |  |
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| Baggot interest on 17:47 - Jan 3 with 3036 views | unstableblue |
| Baggot interest on 15:02 - Jan 3 by Illinoisblue |
What is that based on? I fear once again our youth prospects are being hyped up. |
‘Ever had’ did sound a bit exaggerated I’ll admit. But I’m not one for going large on academy players prospects...
I’d seen a lot of folami and McGavin and thought both wouldn’t have enough to challenge... wrong on the latter pleased to say
I’m basing baggie views on FA youth cup games and critically the Gillingham 2-0 trophy win. Baggot was alongside The Wolf... and he is a quality academy product, he’s almost too good for this Lambert team... as in we’re not giving the system and players around him to really shine. In that Gills game Baggot looked the classier more gifted player, and exuded confidence.
He’s also scoring and a regular U23
Of course only time will tell
I’m lucky enough to remember Dyer coming through... you know a real prospect where they make it look so much easier than even the experienced players around them. And of course are just so good technically. | |
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| Baggot interest on 18:06 - Jan 3 with 2948 views | positivity |
| Baggot interest on 16:31 - Jan 3 by jayessess |
As always, we're worrying about "cashing in" before the lad has even played a league match. Reality is we haven't sold an academy grad to a richer club in a decade. |
as well as brown, knight & chico flores that herbivore mentions, there was benyu to celtic & connor wickham to sunderland just in the decade.
you could argue that matt clarke was sold to a richer club too! | |
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| Baggot interest on 18:12 - Jan 3 with 2933 views | jayessess |
| Baggot interest on 17:46 - Jan 3 by Herbivore |
The problem is our best young players will end up being poached before they can do enough in our side to earn a big move. Charlie Brown went to Chelsea, Ben Knight to Man City, the lad whose name I can't remember now went to Arsenal. All in the past few years, all amongst our brighter youth prospects. |
I think we really over-estimate how much damage has been done by that. In the grander scheme of things losing 3 young teenagers over half a decade, all at an age where future ability is still very difficult to judge, isn't that big a deal. | |
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| Baggot interest on 18:13 - Jan 3 with 2928 views | itfcjoe |
It’s not exactly much interest, a random Twitter account posting things...... |  |
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| Baggot interest on 18:14 - Jan 3 with 2915 views | Herbivore |
| Baggot interest on 18:12 - Jan 3 by jayessess |
I think we really over-estimate how much damage has been done by that. In the grander scheme of things losing 3 young teenagers over half a decade, all at an age where future ability is still very difficult to judge, isn't that big a deal. |
If you say so. | |
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| Baggot interest on 18:24 - Jan 3 with 2876 views | jayessess |
| Baggot interest on 18:14 - Jan 3 by Herbivore |
If you say so. |
Charlie Brown's the eldest of the three. He's now 21, got the best of the best coaching at Chelsea and we could probably have him on loan now if we wanted. | |
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| Baggot interest on 18:30 - Jan 3 with 2851 views | Herbivore |
| Baggot interest on 18:24 - Jan 3 by jayessess |
Charlie Brown's the eldest of the three. He's now 21, got the best of the best coaching at Chelsea and we could probably have him on loan now if we wanted. |
I'm not sure what point you think you're making. | |
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| Baggot interest on 18:55 - Jan 3 with 2777 views | jayessess |
| Baggot interest on 18:30 - Jan 3 by Herbivore |
I'm not sure what point you think you're making. |
Well, Charlie Brown is the same age as Andre Dozzell, Luke Woolfenden and Flynn Downes. Despite his early promise and his access to elite coaching, he's not as good as any of them and couldn't get a game on loan to a Belgian 2nd Division team. So, my point is that losing the odd 15-year-old who looks very promising, probably isn't going to have much of an effect on the overall productivity of the academy. The chances that we'll actually lose a player who turns out to be a genius are incredibly small. | |
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| Baggot interest on 19:02 - Jan 3 with 2748 views | Herbivore |
| Baggot interest on 18:55 - Jan 3 by jayessess |
Well, Charlie Brown is the same age as Andre Dozzell, Luke Woolfenden and Flynn Downes. Despite his early promise and his access to elite coaching, he's not as good as any of them and couldn't get a game on loan to a Belgian 2nd Division team. So, my point is that losing the odd 15-year-old who looks very promising, probably isn't going to have much of an effect on the overall productivity of the academy. The chances that we'll actually lose a player who turns out to be a genius are incredibly small. |
All.of the players you mention had earlier exposure to senior football through staying here. Who knows how Charlie Brown might have developed if we'd been able to keep him? Big clubs can afford to gamble a few hundred thousand on players who may or may not end up making it, whereas for us to have any success we really need to be able to keep and nurture our best young talent. If you don't think it really matters that's fine, but I disagree. | |
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| Baggot interest on 19:09 - Jan 3 with 2730 views | Wickets |
| Baggot interest on 18:55 - Jan 3 by jayessess |
Well, Charlie Brown is the same age as Andre Dozzell, Luke Woolfenden and Flynn Downes. Despite his early promise and his access to elite coaching, he's not as good as any of them and couldn't get a game on loan to a Belgian 2nd Division team. So, my point is that losing the odd 15-year-old who looks very promising, probably isn't going to have much of an effect on the overall productivity of the academy. The chances that we'll actually lose a player who turns out to be a genius are incredibly small. |
And Why do we think that is? although he has likely made himself a large nest egg and which of us as a youngster would not have been swayed by joining a big club and earning lots of money, would he just on footballing progress alone have been better off to stay at Ipswich and take his chances on success on the route that Dozzell, Ect have taken ? |  | | |
| Baggot interest on 19:16 - Jan 3 with 2706 views | C_HealyIsAPleasure |
| Baggot interest on 19:09 - Jan 3 by Wickets |
And Why do we think that is? although he has likely made himself a large nest egg and which of us as a youngster would not have been swayed by joining a big club and earning lots of money, would he just on footballing progress alone have been better off to stay at Ipswich and take his chances on success on the route that Dozzell, Ect have taken ? |
Obviously things may have panned out better if he had stayed here, but statistically he was far more likely to have a career in the league by going to Chelsea than he was staying here... |  |
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| Baggot interest on 19:16 - Jan 3 with 2706 views | itfcjoe |
| Baggot interest on 19:02 - Jan 3 by Herbivore |
All.of the players you mention had earlier exposure to senior football through staying here. Who knows how Charlie Brown might have developed if we'd been able to keep him? Big clubs can afford to gamble a few hundred thousand on players who may or may not end up making it, whereas for us to have any success we really need to be able to keep and nurture our best young talent. If you don't think it really matters that's fine, but I disagree. |
Brown was a fair way behind Morris and Folami here, he really isn’t in the same category as Knight and Flores, or Harry Clarke previously | |
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| Baggot interest on 19:32 - Jan 3 with 2655 views | MrTown |
I’m not sure he’s concretely linked with any of these clubs.
I’ve seen him a couple of times for the yuff, probably 3 times.
He’s ok, but let’s not get carried away with ourselves and over hype the kid.
Not to say he won’t be a good player, but he’s not ready yet. |  |
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| Baggot interest on 19:36 - Jan 3 with 2629 views | jayessess |
| Baggot interest on 19:09 - Jan 3 by Wickets |
And Why do we think that is? although he has likely made himself a large nest egg and which of us as a youngster would not have been swayed by joining a big club and earning lots of money, would he just on footballing progress alone have been better off to stay at Ipswich and take his chances on success on the route that Dozzell, Ect have taken ? |
Maybe? Maybe if Dozzell were at the Chelsea Academy he'd have had access to better coaching? Maybe he'd have got a loan to a Championship club like Mason Mount did?
Brown doesn't seem to have made any England youth squad appearances, so he seems to have fallen behind our lads before they got into our first team. | |
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| One thing to consider on 19:54 - Jan 3 with 2584 views | ScottCandage |
And I'm sure Evans of all people has his eye on this - Baggott is VERY popular in his home country of Indonesia. Whoever owns Baggott could be selling a LOT of gear in Indonesia. I'd like that to be us, for once. |  | | |
| Baggot interest on 22:15 - Jan 3 with 2376 views | tractorboy1978 |
| Baggot interest on 18:55 - Jan 3 by jayessess |
Well, Charlie Brown is the same age as Andre Dozzell, Luke Woolfenden and Flynn Downes. Despite his early promise and his access to elite coaching, he's not as good as any of them and couldn't get a game on loan to a Belgian 2nd Division team. So, my point is that losing the odd 15-year-old who looks very promising, probably isn't going to have much of an effect on the overall productivity of the academy. The chances that we'll actually lose a player who turns out to be a genius are incredibly small. |
I can assure you that the club and academy staff will not want to be losing our best prospects for a relative pittance after they've put 6, 7, 8 years of hard work into developing them. The fact the normally dormant Evans issued a statement on Knight being poached is evidence enough of that. | | | |
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