| Daniel Sloss nailing it... 15:29 - Mar 11 with 6488 views | monytowbray |
This doing the rounds today for all the obvious reasons.
Worth remembering individuals not being part of the problem is not really doing enough to fix the problem either. [Post edited 11 Mar 2021 15:35]
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| Daniel Sloss nailing it... on 15:31 - Mar 11 with 2778 views | J2BLUE |
What are we supposed to do? Genuinely asking. |  |
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| Daniel Sloss nailing it... on 15:34 - Mar 11 with 2760 views | monytowbray |
| Daniel Sloss nailing it... on 15:31 - Mar 11 by J2BLUE |
What are we supposed to do? Genuinely asking. |
Listening and paying attention is always a good start.
Someone yesterday posted a good link on how to not give off accidental vibes when out and about.
Honestly, this topic is something I am overly embarrassed about because up until 4 years ago I was quite dismissive of it myself.
But f**k me, if the world worked discrimination based on actual levels/numbers of social issues caused men would probably top it. | |
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| Daniel Sloss nailing it... on 15:46 - Mar 11 with 2656 views | Steve_M |
I saw that earlier. That bit at the end should make everyone think, groups of blokes easily descend into some level of bantz. Most of us would like to think it's unthreatening but I'm quite sure it isn't all the time. |  |
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| Daniel Sloss nailing it... on 15:57 - Mar 11 with 2589 views | homer_123 |
| Daniel Sloss nailing it... on 15:31 - Mar 11 by J2BLUE |
What are we supposed to do? Genuinely asking. |
Well, I guess the most obvious thing is to call out behaviour or language that isn't on?
The easy path is to do nothing. I suspect we all take that path or at least very few haven't, sadly. |  |
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| Daniel Sloss nailing it... on 16:00 - Mar 11 with 2580 views | Half_Idiot |
| Daniel Sloss nailing it... on 15:31 - Mar 11 by J2BLUE |
What are we supposed to do? Genuinely asking. |
Challenge anyone you see behaving inappropriately or saying inappropriate things, whether they are friends, family or complete strangers. Whether it's just "bants" or "flirting" a zero tolerance approach needs to be taken. |  | | |
| Chop your cock off. (n/t) on 16:01 - Mar 11 with 2566 views | Bloots |
| Daniel Sloss nailing it... on 15:31 - Mar 11 by J2BLUE |
What are we supposed to do? Genuinely asking. |
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| Daniel Sloss nailing it... on 16:02 - Mar 11 with 2550 views | homer_123 |
| Daniel Sloss nailing it... on 16:00 - Mar 11 by Half_Idiot |
Challenge anyone you see behaving inappropriately or saying inappropriate things, whether they are friends, family or complete strangers. Whether it's just "bants" or "flirting" a zero tolerance approach needs to be taken. |
It's extremely easy to say but inherently more difficult to do - which is why the majority won't do it.
The easy option is not to address it. | |
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| Daniel Sloss nailing it... on 16:03 - Mar 11 with 2545 views | J2BLUE |
| Daniel Sloss nailing it... on 16:00 - Mar 11 by Half_Idiot |
Challenge anyone you see behaving inappropriately or saying inappropriate things, whether they are friends, family or complete strangers. Whether it's just "bants" or "flirting" a zero tolerance approach needs to be taken. |
I was more talking things which are going beyond. Challenging inappropriate stuff is just normal. I'm not claiming i'm a saint but the vast majority of the time that's something i'd do anyway.
I know it's not about me, and it's about the collective. Just making a point. | |
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| Daniel Sloss nailing it... on 16:05 - Mar 11 with 2532 views | homer_123 |
| Daniel Sloss nailing it... on 16:03 - Mar 11 by J2BLUE |
I was more talking things which are going beyond. Challenging inappropriate stuff is just normal. I'm not claiming i'm a saint but the vast majority of the time that's something i'd do anyway.
I know it's not about me, and it's about the collective. Just making a point. |
I suspect, J2, that puts you in the minority though. Which is very much the first hurdle to get over. | |
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| Chop your cock off. (n/t) on 16:07 - Mar 11 with 2502 views | J2BLUE |
| Chop your cock off. (n/t) on 16:01 - Mar 11 by Bloots |
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Can't I sell it?
Barely used, one responsible owner, etc. | |
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| Chop your cock off. (n/t) on 16:10 - Mar 11 with 2462 views | SpruceMoose |
| Chop your cock off. (n/t) on 16:07 - Mar 11 by J2BLUE |
Can't I sell it?
Barely used, one responsible owner, etc. |
How big is it? |  |
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| Daniel Sloss nailing it... on 16:12 - Mar 11 with 2459 views | bluelagos |
| Daniel Sloss nailing it... on 15:31 - Mar 11 by J2BLUE |
What are we supposed to do? Genuinely asking. |
I think the first thing is challenging sexism/misogyny. We hear it, we hear it a lot, but how often does it get challenged? By you? By me? By any of us?
If a racist comment is made on here, people quite rightly call it out, people back up those calling it out and the racist poster knows damn well it is not welcome here. Pretty much 100% of the time.
But if a sexist post is made? We largely do and say sfa. Is that good enough? Is it good enough for young impressionable posters to feel misogynistic views/attitudes are ok? Cos I am guessing that rapists etc. aren't exactly all that up on women's rights.
So maybe it's as simple as that to start with, recognising that those people who are violent towards women are almost certainly sexist pricks. Sexist pricks who feel emboldened and empowered by being a sexist prick and not being called out for it... [Post edited 11 Mar 2021 16:13]
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| Daniel Sloss nailing it... on 16:12 - Mar 11 with 2451 views | J2BLUE |
| Daniel Sloss nailing it... on 16:05 - Mar 11 by homer_123 |
I suspect, J2, that puts you in the minority though. Which is very much the first hurdle to get over. |
Again not trying to come across as a saint but it's like the "i'm a feminist" thing. I was just raised to treat people the same. I don't need to think that I need to be a feminist. It's just a natural thing.
I suppose that's why it tends to mildly irritate me when I see things like not being part of the problem isn't enough. What else can you do? You can be respectful and hold others to account. | |
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| Chop your cock off. (n/t) on 16:13 - Mar 11 with 2440 views | J2BLUE |
| Chop your cock off. (n/t) on 16:10 - Mar 11 by SpruceMoose |
How big is it? |
Microscope included. | |
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| Daniel Sloss nailing it... on 16:16 - Mar 11 with 2423 views | J2BLUE |
| Daniel Sloss nailing it... on 16:12 - Mar 11 by bluelagos |
I think the first thing is challenging sexism/misogyny. We hear it, we hear it a lot, but how often does it get challenged? By you? By me? By any of us?
If a racist comment is made on here, people quite rightly call it out, people back up those calling it out and the racist poster knows damn well it is not welcome here. Pretty much 100% of the time.
But if a sexist post is made? We largely do and say sfa. Is that good enough? Is it good enough for young impressionable posters to feel misogynistic views/attitudes are ok? Cos I am guessing that rapists etc. aren't exactly all that up on women's rights.
So maybe it's as simple as that to start with, recognising that those people who are violent towards women are almost certainly sexist pricks. Sexist pricks who feel emboldened and empowered by being a sexist prick and not being called out for it... [Post edited 11 Mar 2021 16:13]
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I'm not defending anyone, just to be clear.
I think on here sexist posts are often let go because of the poster and the fact we know that it's a joke. I can think of a few on here i'd suggest are racist. Can't think of anyone i'd say is sexist though.. | |
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| Daniel Sloss nailing it... on 16:16 - Mar 11 with 2417 views | bluelagos |
| Daniel Sloss nailing it... on 16:12 - Mar 11 by J2BLUE |
Again not trying to come across as a saint but it's like the "i'm a feminist" thing. I was just raised to treat people the same. I don't need to think that I need to be a feminist. It's just a natural thing.
I suppose that's why it tends to mildly irritate me when I see things like not being part of the problem isn't enough. What else can you do? You can be respectful and hold others to account. |
I am not sure we have the same opinion of what being a feminist means.
Do you believe women should have the exact same rights are men? If so, like me, you are a feminist.
If not, you're a sexist prick. It really is that simple imho. | |
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| Daniel Sloss nailing it... on 16:17 - Mar 11 with 2398 views | J2BLUE |
| Daniel Sloss nailing it... on 16:16 - Mar 11 by bluelagos |
I am not sure we have the same opinion of what being a feminist means.
Do you believe women should have the exact same rights are men? If so, like me, you are a feminist.
If not, you're a sexist prick. It really is that simple imho. |
Why do I need a label for a value I was brought up with? Do you need to consciously remind yourself that you're a feminist and believe everyone is equal? I find it quite odd. | |
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| Daniel Sloss nailing it... on 16:20 - Mar 11 with 2374 views | homer_123 |
| Daniel Sloss nailing it... on 16:12 - Mar 11 by bluelagos |
I think the first thing is challenging sexism/misogyny. We hear it, we hear it a lot, but how often does it get challenged? By you? By me? By any of us?
If a racist comment is made on here, people quite rightly call it out, people back up those calling it out and the racist poster knows damn well it is not welcome here. Pretty much 100% of the time.
But if a sexist post is made? We largely do and say sfa. Is that good enough? Is it good enough for young impressionable posters to feel misogynistic views/attitudes are ok? Cos I am guessing that rapists etc. aren't exactly all that up on women's rights.
So maybe it's as simple as that to start with, recognising that those people who are violent towards women are almost certainly sexist pricks. Sexist pricks who feel emboldened and empowered by being a sexist prick and not being called out for it... [Post edited 11 Mar 2021 16:13]
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Would everyone do the same though, if it were not from behind a keyboard?
Would the same people call it out if it were face-to-face?
We would all like to say yes, but the reality is......most wouldn't and don't.....which is the main reason why it is so rife. [Post edited 11 Mar 2021 16:29]
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| Daniel Sloss nailing it... on 16:23 - Mar 11 with 2359 views | bluelagos |
| Daniel Sloss nailing it... on 16:16 - Mar 11 by J2BLUE |
I'm not defending anyone, just to be clear.
I think on here sexist posts are often let go because of the poster and the fact we know that it's a joke. I can think of a few on here i'd suggest are racist. Can't think of anyone i'd say is sexist though.. |
Then you having been paying attention.
Leave aside the countless threads on "Would you shag x" - how about one discussing the size of the nipples of a British female tennis star? Maybe you missed that particular thread.
They are regular threads on here that objectify women and hey, maybe TWTD female posters are cool with a load of middle aged men going full on cyber leching, but I'd argue they probably aren't.
Harmless fun? Maybe. But it does rather send the message that women are there for "our pleasure" doesn't it? | |
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| Daniel Sloss nailing it... on 16:26 - Mar 11 with 2317 views | Ewan_Oozami |
| Daniel Sloss nailing it... on 16:17 - Mar 11 by J2BLUE |
Why do I need a label for a value I was brought up with? Do you need to consciously remind yourself that you're a feminist and believe everyone is equal? I find it quite odd. |
“Once you stop learning, you start dying”
Albert Einstein. |  |
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| Daniel Sloss nailing it... on 16:30 - Mar 11 with 2290 views | J2BLUE |
| Daniel Sloss nailing it... on 16:23 - Mar 11 by bluelagos |
Then you having been paying attention.
Leave aside the countless threads on "Would you shag x" - how about one discussing the size of the nipples of a British female tennis star? Maybe you missed that particular thread.
They are regular threads on here that objectify women and hey, maybe TWTD female posters are cool with a load of middle aged men going full on cyber leching, but I'd argue they probably aren't.
Harmless fun? Maybe. But it does rather send the message that women are there for "our pleasure" doesn't it? |
"Would you shag x"
Is that the sort of thing we are talking about? This is hardly exclusively on men is it? If this is truly unacceptable then i'll hold my hands up and say i've learnt something. To me if that was happening in a pub about someone there then it's inappropriate. If it's happening online tagging someone on Twitter it's inappropriate. On a forum I admit i'd say that was bantz. So genuinely if that is something betting flagged up then like I say, i've learnt something.
Yes I did miss the tennis thread as far as I can remember. That would have been inappropriate, I agree.
What female poster gets that treatment? Again, educate me if i'm missing something. | |
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| Daniel Sloss nailing it... on 16:30 - Mar 11 with 2284 views | bluelagos |
| Daniel Sloss nailing it... on 16:20 - Mar 11 by homer_123 |
Would everyone do the same though, if it were not from behind a keyboard?
Would the same people call it out if it were face-to-face?
We would all like to say yes, but the reality is......most wouldn't and don't.....which is the main reason why it is so rife. [Post edited 11 Mar 2021 16:29]
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And that lack of speaking out needs challenging. What do they say, "if you are not part of the solution you are part of the problem."
35 odd years ago, I recall a racist fan at Portman Rd shouting racist filth week in week out near where I stood in the North. He went unchallenged by me and everyone else stood near where we would stand.
He wouldn't go unchallenged today, am 100% sure.
So attitudes change over time, and it is not easy to challenge those who still hold old attitudes.
But if you are decent man, then it really is time to speak up. Cos who else is going to do it? | |
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| Daniel Sloss nailing it... on 16:34 - Mar 11 with 2267 views | bluelagos |
| Daniel Sloss nailing it... on 16:17 - Mar 11 by J2BLUE |
Why do I need a label for a value I was brought up with? Do you need to consciously remind yourself that you're a feminist and believe everyone is equal? I find it quite odd. |
Do I need a label? Not particularly.
But you seemed to imply being called a "feminist" is a bad thing? I have no issues with anyone (male or female) being proud to be a feminist. Why would I?
Like I say, it is the radical idea that women and men are equal. No more, no less. | |
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| Daniel Sloss nailing it... on 16:35 - Mar 11 with 2256 views | homer_123 |
| Daniel Sloss nailing it... on 16:30 - Mar 11 by bluelagos |
And that lack of speaking out needs challenging. What do they say, "if you are not part of the solution you are part of the problem."
35 odd years ago, I recall a racist fan at Portman Rd shouting racist filth week in week out near where I stood in the North. He went unchallenged by me and everyone else stood near where we would stand.
He wouldn't go unchallenged today, am 100% sure.
So attitudes change over time, and it is not easy to challenge those who still hold old attitudes.
But if you are decent man, then it really is time to speak up. Cos who else is going to do it? |
Oh I'm as guilty as the next, easy option is to not challenge.
As you rightly say, times need to change....us men need to grow some! | |
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| Daniel Sloss nailing it... on 16:36 - Mar 11 with 2244 views | homer_123 |
| Daniel Sloss nailing it... on 16:26 - Mar 11 by Ewan_Oozami |
“Once you stop learning, you start dying”
Albert Einstein. |
What would he think of the UK education system? | |
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