| Met police challenge Derbysshire police on 07:41 - Mar 12 with 2145 views | tivo |
Why? We're at the tail end of a pandemic ffs.
I think you're ***** for thinking it's ok to potentially go out and start spreading something we've finally got under control and are weeks/months away from being free of.
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| Met police challenge Derbysshire police on 07:49 - Mar 12 with 2129 views | WD19 |
Nah. They have got this one right I think.
This one is/was going massive. My CEO was on a call with 2000 staff yesterday and said ‘I’m going, see you there’. Everyone my partner knows is talking about it on social media and were getting invited.
Whatever the cause, 50-100k ppl turning up in Clapham at the end of the first weeks of schools mixing again is not ideal. |  | | |
| Met police challenge Derbysshire police on 07:51 - Mar 12 with 2112 views | StokieBlue |
| Met police challenge Derbysshire police on 07:41 - Mar 12 by tivo |
Why? We're at the tail end of a pandemic ffs.
I think you're ***** for thinking it's ok to potentially go out and start spreading something we've finally got under control and are weeks/months away from being free of.
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Regardless of whether you disagree with his post is bang out of order.
BL is a good chap.
I do understand the context given he described the police like that but I think there is a difference between describing an organisation and an individual.
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| Met police challenge Derbysshire police on 07:52 - Mar 12 with 2102 views | homer_123 |
I really do not think a mass protest at this time is sensible, in any way, given the current the Covid situation.
That said, maybe some alternative situation can be found whereby people can show their anger and frustration? |  |
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| Met police challenge Derbysshire police on 07:54 - Mar 12 with 2090 views | StokieBlue |
| Met police challenge Derbysshire police on 07:52 - Mar 12 by homer_123 |
I really do not think a mass protest at this time is sensible, in any way, given the current the Covid situation.
That said, maybe some alternative situation can be found whereby people can show their anger and frustration? |
This is spot on.
A way needs to be found for people to show their views in solidarity with each other which doesn't require huge gatherings of a lot of travel.
Whilst transmission outside is far less likely, there is still a small risk and there is risk associated with everything else around such a gathering.
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| Met police challenge Derbysshire police on 07:56 - Mar 12 with 2081 views | lowhouseblue |
it's a very important issue and a show of the strength of public opinion is right. but how can something that is open to anyone to attend be run in covid safe way - the number could be huge plus everyone will travel there. doesn't seem worth the risk. |  |
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| Met police challenge Derbysshire police on 07:56 - Mar 12 with 2079 views | homer_123 |
| Met police challenge Derbysshire police on 07:49 - Mar 12 by WD19 |
Nah. They have got this one right I think.
This one is/was going massive. My CEO was on a call with 2000 staff yesterday and said ‘I’m going, see you there’. Everyone my partner knows is talking about it on social media and were getting invited.
Whatever the cause, 50-100k ppl turning up in Clapham at the end of the first weeks of schools mixing again is not ideal. |
We talked on this board yesterday about 'calling people out' about things that aren't right.
It's interesting because I think this highlights a real problem which I noted yesterday. In theory, calling people out over behaviour or words, should be very easy but the majority rarely do it.
I think you've nicely illustrated this WD.
A CEO (a position of power) has said they'll contravene guidelines and join a mass gathering. They should be called out - I bet no one of those 2,000 said a think yet many (maybe not all) would think it's the wrong thing to do (to gather)? And I suspect the reason being is that it was the CEO and they fear losing their job. | |
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| Met police challenge Derbysshire police on 08:01 - Mar 12 with 2032 views | mikeybloo88 |
The Met are right...no mass gatherings should be allowed no matter the cause...time for that is a few months away once vaccinations complete. I'm not sure the motives of all those attending would be simply to remember Sarah and highlight concerns for women's safety, judging by the anti police placards on view in some tv reports of small gatherings already. |  | | |
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| Met police challenge Derbysshire police on 08:03 - Mar 12 with 2062 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Met police challenge Derbysshire police on 07:41 - Mar 12 by tivo |
Why? We're at the tail end of a pandemic ffs.
I think you're ***** for thinking it's ok to potentially go out and start spreading something we've finally got under control and are weeks/months away from being free of.
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I disagree with BL on this. As I did his post regarding the nurses protest.
But there is no need to aim abuse in his direction. BL is one of the good ones on here. |  |
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| Met police challenge Derbysshire police on 08:11 - Mar 12 with 2036 views | WD19 |
| Met police challenge Derbysshire police on 07:56 - Mar 12 by homer_123 |
We talked on this board yesterday about 'calling people out' about things that aren't right.
It's interesting because I think this highlights a real problem which I noted yesterday. In theory, calling people out over behaviour or words, should be very easy but the majority rarely do it.
I think you've nicely illustrated this WD.
A CEO (a position of power) has said they'll contravene guidelines and join a mass gathering. They should be called out - I bet no one of those 2,000 said a think yet many (maybe not all) would think it's the wrong thing to do (to gather)? And I suspect the reason being is that it was the CEO and they fear losing their job. |
Now you say it, I think it might even be more complicated than that.
I have a very approachable CEO and the staff have no problem calling them out directly. The CEO practically encourages it.
So the reason people didn’t speak up on this is certainly not fear or losing their job for criticising. It is potentially fear of speaking out against the prevailing popular view. Or the fear of being labelled a misogynist for not supporting the event. Individuals are often struck dumb by not knowing if their opinion is considered acceptable so it is safer just to stay quiet. | | | |
| Met police challenge Derbysshire police on 08:17 - Mar 12 with 2010 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Met police challenge Derbysshire police on 07:41 - Mar 12 by tivo |
Why? We're at the tail end of a pandemic ffs.
I think you're ***** for thinking it's ok to potentially go out and start spreading something we've finally got under control and are weeks/months away from being free of.
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If only there was pretty much zero evidence of the virus being transmitted outdoors! |  |
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| Met police challenge Derbysshire police on 08:22 - Mar 12 with 1995 views | bluelagos |
| Met police challenge Derbysshire police on 07:49 - Mar 12 by WD19 |
Nah. They have got this one right I think.
This one is/was going massive. My CEO was on a call with 2000 staff yesterday and said ‘I’m going, see you there’. Everyone my partner knows is talking about it on social media and were getting invited.
Whatever the cause, 50-100k ppl turning up in Clapham at the end of the first weeks of schools mixing again is not ideal. |
If it can be done in a CV secure manner, as the BLM protests were in Ipswich in June, then I have no issues at all.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-england-suffolk-52951826 |  |
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| Met police challenge Derbysshire police on 08:24 - Mar 12 with 1988 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
Telling women who want to reclaim the night that they can't have the day is an interesting position! | |
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| Met police challenge Derbysshire police on 08:26 - Mar 12 with 1980 views | Pinewoodblue |
| Met police challenge Derbysshire police on 08:17 - Mar 12 by BanksterDebtSlave |
If only there was pretty much zero evidence of the virus being transmitted outdoors! |
It is impossible to have a large scale gathering and comply with social distancing rules. It isn’t OK to excuse people by saying but it is a for a good cause.
Stay at home means stay at home. |  |
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| Met police challenge Derbysshire police on 08:27 - Mar 12 with 1978 views | bluelagos |
| Met police challenge Derbysshire police on 08:24 - Mar 12 by BanksterDebtSlave |
Telling women who want to reclaim the night that they can't have the day is an interesting position! |
Isn't it just. Same police force for whom one of their officers is a prime suspect for killing a young lady.
Still, apparently standing in a field, socially distanced, masked up and holding a placard is a danger to our well being.
Yeah rightyo... | |
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| Met police challenge Derbysshire police on 08:29 - Mar 12 with 1967 views | bluelagos |
| Met police challenge Derbysshire police on 08:26 - Mar 12 by Pinewoodblue |
It is impossible to have a large scale gathering and comply with social distancing rules. It isn’t OK to excuse people by saying but it is a for a good cause.
Stay at home means stay at home. |
Perfectly possible to demonstrate in a CV safe manner.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-england-suffolk-52951826 | |
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| Met police challenge Derbysshire police on 08:31 - Mar 12 with 1953 views | bluelagos |
| Met police challenge Derbysshire police on 08:17 - Mar 12 by BanksterDebtSlave |
If only there was pretty much zero evidence of the virus being transmitted outdoors! |
Don't be letting facts get in the way of a load of men telling a load of women it is unacceptable to hold a vigil for a murdered young woman. | |
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| Met police challenge Derbysshire police on 08:36 - Mar 12 with 1899 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Met police challenge Derbysshire police on 08:31 - Mar 12 by bluelagos |
Don't be letting facts get in the way of a load of men telling a load of women it is unacceptable to hold a vigil for a murdered young woman. |
And in the Met's case led by a Dick! | |
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| Met police challenge Derbysshire police on 08:37 - Mar 12 with 1891 views | StokieBlue |
| Met police challenge Derbysshire police on 08:27 - Mar 12 by bluelagos |
Isn't it just. Same police force for whom one of their officers is a prime suspect for killing a young lady.
Still, apparently standing in a field, socially distanced, masked up and holding a placard is a danger to our well being.
Yeah rightyo... |
It's worth nothing that the example you are citing of the BLM protests was back in June 2020, that was during the summer when cases were very low (a fraction of what we have even now after lockdown) and the B117 UK variant didn't exist (it now accounts for 98% of all C19 in the UK).
With regards to the protest, how does everyone get to the field is somewhere like London? How many will share cars? How many will pack out public transport? How many will have a sneaky meetup for a tea or drink afterwards to recover from the cold?
It's also going to be far larger than some people standing in one field, it's going to be everywhere because the cause is a good one.
I don't think you can take the act of protesting in isolation, the full suite of activities need to be considered. Given this perhaps a different form of protest could be considered?
I haven't considered what form that protest could take and something should be done, nobody is questioning that, I am just not convinced by mass gatherings in centralised locations given where we are and the progress that has been made.
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| Met police challenge Derbysshire police on 08:39 - Mar 12 with 1872 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Met police challenge Derbysshire police on 08:03 - Mar 12 by GlasgowBlue |
I disagree with BL on this. As I did his post regarding the nurses protest.
But there is no need to aim abuse in his direction. BL is one of the good ones on here. |
Lucky he doesn't have "a warped and diseased racist mind" then isn't it! | |
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| Met police challenge Derbysshire police on 08:39 - Mar 12 with 1861 views | homer_123 |
| Met police challenge Derbysshire police on 08:11 - Mar 12 by WD19 |
Now you say it, I think it might even be more complicated than that.
I have a very approachable CEO and the staff have no problem calling them out directly. The CEO practically encourages it.
So the reason people didn’t speak up on this is certainly not fear or losing their job for criticising. It is potentially fear of speaking out against the prevailing popular view. Or the fear of being labelled a misogynist for not supporting the event. Individuals are often struck dumb by not knowing if their opinion is considered acceptable so it is safer just to stay quiet. |
Fair point WD. | |
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| Met police challenge Derbyshire police on 08:40 - Mar 12 with 1851 views | ghostofescobar |
If it's legal fine, if not, don't do it. |  |
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| Met police challenge Derbysshire police on 08:41 - Mar 12 with 1847 views | homer_123 |
| Met police challenge Derbysshire police on 08:31 - Mar 12 by bluelagos |
Don't be letting facts get in the way of a load of men telling a load of women it is unacceptable to hold a vigil for a murdered young woman. |
I don't think anyone is saying a vigil is unacceptable.
I asked if there were any alternative ways people can show their anger and frustration that doesn't involved a mass gathering at a time when we are trying to get Covid under control. | |
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| Met police challenge Derbysshire police on 08:41 - Mar 12 with 1843 views | Pinewoodblue |
The rules currently in force are different from those in force last summer. Like it, or not, it is unlawful to leave home for any reason other than those approved.
Just suppose 10,000 people decided to hold a socially distanced vigil on Clapham Common. How do they get there without being in close contact with others in a confined space? | |
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| Met police challenge Derbysshire police on 08:43 - Mar 12 with 1821 views | homer_123 |
Ipswich is very different to London - the likihood is many more people will attend. As Stokie has asked, how will people get their? Sharing public transport, sharing cars etc.
We should be able to gather and protest and air our grievances, I won't ever question that. Right now, I do question the sensibility given Covid and trying to get that under control.
No easy decisions here, again. | |
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