| 2021- 2022 rules 14:05 - Aug 12 with 2064 views | Sharkey |
Have there been any changes to the rules this season? ( I normally make a fool of myself about six weeks into the season.) Or any official change in emphasis - I.e. things refs are going to be tougher on?
(Any sign that those quarter-circles near the corner-flags have got smaller, seeing as the ball doesn’t need to be inside them these days.)
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| 2021- 2022 rules on 14:11 - Aug 12 with 2035 views | Swansea_Blue |
Yeah, the posts and bar have to be the same shape. No more artistic mixing of triangular cross sections with dodecahedrons! (I doubt that ever happened, but I'm surprised they felt the need to legislate that the posts and bars should be the same shape).
https://www.thefa.com/football-rules-governance/lawsandrules/laws/football-11-11
There's some stuff in there about handball too, around intent (which presumably will continue to be a bit of a mess as it's still based largely around interpretation of the ref rather than a clear black and white position).
Something on not trying to to be clever through the use of 'tricks' to get around the keeper back pass rule. Again another rule open to interpretation with an opportunity for refs to mess up imo. [Post edited 12 Aug 2021 14:12]
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| 2021- 2022 rules on 14:13 - Aug 12 with 2016 views | WD19 |
We are no longer obliged to give up and roll over when we go behind. |  | | |
| 2021- 2022 rules on 14:29 - Aug 12 with 1987 views | Asa |
I’d initially assumed Saturday I must have missed a change to the back pass rule given how many people around me were certain Morecambe should have been penalised twice! |  | | |
| 2021- 2022 rules on 18:28 - Aug 12 with 1803 views | Durovigutum |
Biggest change is tidying up hand ball. It's more about unnatural position or making the body bigger and the accidental handball that doesn't setup an immediate chance is no longer penalised.
A trick to circumvented the backpass rule from a goal kick - the keeper flicking the ball to a defender who heads it back to the keeper gets the keeper a yellow and concedes an indirect free kick.
Backpass rule is a kick, not a pass from the knee or groin. I had to double check on Saturday too. |  | | |
| 2021- 2022 rules on 18:30 - Aug 12 with 1798 views | saffers12 |
| 2021- 2022 rules on 18:28 - Aug 12 by Durovigutum |
Biggest change is tidying up hand ball. It's more about unnatural position or making the body bigger and the accidental handball that doesn't setup an immediate chance is no longer penalised.
A trick to circumvented the backpass rule from a goal kick - the keeper flicking the ball to a defender who heads it back to the keeper gets the keeper a yellow and concedes an indirect free kick.
Backpass rule is a kick, not a pass from the knee or groin. I had to double check on Saturday too. |
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| 2021- 2022 rules on 21:07 - Aug 12 with 1692 views | longtimefan |
| 2021- 2022 rules on 18:28 - Aug 12 by Durovigutum |
Biggest change is tidying up hand ball. It's more about unnatural position or making the body bigger and the accidental handball that doesn't setup an immediate chance is no longer penalised.
A trick to circumvented the backpass rule from a goal kick - the keeper flicking the ball to a defender who heads it back to the keeper gets the keeper a yellow and concedes an indirect free kick.
Backpass rule is a kick, not a pass from the knee or groin. I had to double check on Saturday too. |
The laws you refer to in your second and third paragraphs are not new. The second one has though been extended to cover goal kicks in addition to open play and free kicks. It is the instigator that receives the caution, so not necessarily the keeper. | | | |
| 2021- 2022 rules on 22:18 - Aug 12 with 1652 views | ITFC_Forever |
The ball has never had to be inside the quarter-circle for corners… just some of the ball covering some of the line when viewed from above.
So yes, when viewed from the side, it can be possible to see green grass between the ball and line. |  |
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| 2021- 2022 rules on 22:25 - Aug 12 with 1640 views | BryanPlug |
| 2021- 2022 rules on 22:18 - Aug 12 by ITFC_Forever |
The ball has never had to be inside the quarter-circle for corners… just some of the ball covering some of the line when viewed from above.
So yes, when viewed from the side, it can be possible to see green grass between the ball and line. |
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| 2021- 2022 rules on 12:50 - Aug 13 with 1515 views | longtimefan |
| 2021- 2022 rules on 22:25 - Aug 12 by BryanPlug |
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As a referee the one that always amazed me was the number of captains, who on winning the toss, thought they could choose to kick-off (law since changed in the recent past to now allow this) | | | |
| 2021- 2022 rules on 13:03 - Aug 13 with 1501 views | Ewan_Oozami |
| 2021- 2022 rules on 12:50 - Aug 13 by longtimefan |
As a referee the one that always amazed me was the number of captains, who on winning the toss, thought they could choose to kick-off (law since changed in the recent past to now allow this) |
Before 1997 that was the case, and since 2019 that is the case. In between, the side winning the toss chose which end to attack, the losing team took the kick off.. |  |
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| 2021- 2022 rules on 13:04 - Aug 13 with 1501 views | Wallingford_Boy |
| 2021- 2022 rules on 12:50 - Aug 13 by longtimefan |
As a referee the one that always amazed me was the number of captains, who on winning the toss, thought they could choose to kick-off (law since changed in the recent past to now allow this) |
I thought that's exactly what they toss for?
Winner can decide to kick off or change ends?
Who decides who kicks off then? |  |
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| 2021- 2022 rules on 13:21 - Aug 13 with 1468 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| 2021- 2022 rules on 22:18 - Aug 12 by ITFC_Forever |
The ball has never had to be inside the quarter-circle for corners… just some of the ball covering some of the line when viewed from above.
So yes, when viewed from the side, it can be possible to see green grass between the ball and line. |
The whole of the ball over the whole of the line thing isn't it?
In the past players didn't realise how important the advantage of those few extra millimetres is. It explains why corners are so much more accurate now. (Joke by the way, in case it needs pointing out.) It is one of those things like having to earn a throw in by the corner flag from kick off. How much advantage has that ever brought a side? |  |
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| 2021- 2022 rules on 13:22 - Aug 13 with 1465 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| 2021- 2022 rules on 14:11 - Aug 12 by Swansea_Blue |
Yeah, the posts and bar have to be the same shape. No more artistic mixing of triangular cross sections with dodecahedrons! (I doubt that ever happened, but I'm surprised they felt the need to legislate that the posts and bars should be the same shape).
https://www.thefa.com/football-rules-governance/lawsandrules/laws/football-11-11
There's some stuff in there about handball too, around intent (which presumably will continue to be a bit of a mess as it's still based largely around interpretation of the ref rather than a clear black and white position).
Something on not trying to to be clever through the use of 'tricks' to get around the keeper back pass rule. Again another rule open to interpretation with an opportunity for refs to mess up imo. [Post edited 12 Aug 2021 14:12]
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Isn't that to do with a bowing crossbar will now need equally bent posts?
Going to make for some interesting park goals.
EDIT: BTW, great OP question. I guess there have been fewer changes this season as there has been too much else going on. [Post edited 13 Aug 2021 13:24]
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| 2021- 2022 rules on 13:43 - Aug 13 with 1430 views | longtimefan |
| 2021- 2022 rules on 13:04 - Aug 13 by Wallingford_Boy |
I thought that's exactly what they toss for?
Winner can decide to kick off or change ends?
Who decides who kicks off then? |
Winner had choice of ends, loser always kicked off. As I said law recently changed to allow winner to opt to kick off. | | | |
| 2021- 2022 rules on 13:54 - Aug 13 with 1412 views | Wallingford_Boy |
| 2021- 2022 rules on 13:43 - Aug 13 by longtimefan |
Winner had choice of ends, loser always kicked off. As I said law recently changed to allow winner to opt to kick off. |
So if you win toss you choose ends AND whether to kick off or not? | |
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| 2021- 2022 rules on 15:14 - Aug 13 with 1359 views | longtimefan |
| 2021- 2022 rules on 13:54 - Aug 13 by Wallingford_Boy |
So if you win toss you choose ends AND whether to kick off or not? |
Under the present laws, the winner of the toss has the choice to kick off OR choose ends. If they choose to kick off the loser has choice of ends. If the winner chooses ends, the loser kicks off. | | | |
| 2021- 2022 rules on 23:07 - Aug 14 with 1239 views | Sharkey |
| 2021- 2022 rules on 22:18 - Aug 12 by ITFC_Forever |
The ball has never had to be inside the quarter-circle for corners… just some of the ball covering some of the line when viewed from above.
So yes, when viewed from the side, it can be possible to see green grass between the ball and line. |
I know that - but it’s only recently that players have taken advantage of this. Until recently they put the ball inside the area marked out, rather than not (fully) outside it. I don’t see why those corner areas need to be so big. Are they a set size or is it up to the groundsman?
A rule I’m not sure about: can a player remove the corner-flag prior to taking a corner under any circumstances? | | | |
| 2021- 2022 rules on 23:09 - Aug 14 with 1237 views | ZXBlue |
| 2021- 2022 rules on 14:11 - Aug 12 by Swansea_Blue |
Yeah, the posts and bar have to be the same shape. No more artistic mixing of triangular cross sections with dodecahedrons! (I doubt that ever happened, but I'm surprised they felt the need to legislate that the posts and bars should be the same shape).
https://www.thefa.com/football-rules-governance/lawsandrules/laws/football-11-11
There's some stuff in there about handball too, around intent (which presumably will continue to be a bit of a mess as it's still based largely around interpretation of the ref rather than a clear black and white position).
Something on not trying to to be clever through the use of 'tricks' to get around the keeper back pass rule. Again another rule open to interpretation with an opportunity for refs to mess up imo. [Post edited 12 Aug 2021 14:12]
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Using refs judgment is far better than the absurd situation recently introduced of a binary offence. | | | |
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