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Interesting little titbit in there. Was it wise for the Manager in person to be going all the way up to Tyneside on a scouting mission the day before a game, especially when the team is struggling a bit?

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This on 09:52 - Dec 5 with 3291 views

Herbivore

Sadly these days it takes more than enthusiasm to be a capable manager. Always came across as a decent bloke and I don't feel any ill will towards him, it just didn't work here for him at all.

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This on 09:53 - Dec 5 with 3267 views

hadleighboyblue

Absolutely agree , well said .

Pc's downfall was not being able to bring Richardson with him , the 2 of them together would have worked .

I wish PC well , he's a real football man but was let down by poor coaching / tactical awareness .

Liam Manning looks like a good fit for what we need , someone with new ideas

This on 09:54 - Dec 5 with 3248 views

pointofblue

This on 09:50 - Dec 5 by Guthrum
Interesting little titbit in there. Was it wise for the Manager in person to be going all the way up to Tyneside on a scouting mission the day before a game, especially when the team is struggling a bit?

Especially when the game was live on ITV4 so he could have watched it from home.

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This on 10:17 - Dec 5 with 3060 views

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This on 09:50 - Dec 5 by Guthrum
Interesting little titbit in there. Was it wise for the Manager in person to be going all the way up to Tyneside on a scouting mission the day before a game, especially when the team is struggling a bit?

Or was it the mark of PC, he must have known that the appointment of JM without his agreement signalled the end was fast approaching, but still went and watched a player live where you see his work off the all as well as on it.

This on 10:25 - Dec 5 with 2971 views

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This on 09:52 - Dec 5 by Herbivore
Sadly these days it takes more than enthusiasm to be a capable manager. Always came across as a decent bloke and I don't feel any ill will towards him, it just didn't work here for him at all. [Post edited 5 Dec 2021 9:55]

I find this repeated notion from some that Cook is/was somehow a not very good manager because it didn’t work for him here strange. Football has not evolved that much in 12-18 months.

The key but is ‘why’ it did not work for him here….and of all the possibilities ‘because he lost all of ability overnight’ is one of the less likely answers.

This on 10:26 - Dec 5 with 2922 views

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This on 10:25 - Dec 5 by WD19
I find this repeated notion from some that Cook is/was somehow a not very good manager because it didn’t work for him here strange. Football has not evolved that much in 12-18 months. The key but is ‘why’ it did not work for him here….and of all the possibilities ‘because he lost all of ability overnight’ is one of the less likely answers.

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This on 09:54 - Dec 5 by pointofblue
Especially when the game was live on ITV4 so he could have watched it from home.

Tbf you'd always want to be watching in person if you wanted to get an idea of a team's shape and habits.

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This on 10:28 - Dec 5 with 2877 views

OsborneOneNil

This on 09:54 - Dec 5 by pointofblue
Especially when the game was live on ITV4 so he could have watched it from home.

Haha! You can’t scout a player watching a game on tv. Not the same as being there in person. Lots of off the ball stuff you miss.

This on 10:35 - Dec 5 with 2783 views

pointofblue

This on 10:28 - Dec 5 by SomethingBlue
Tbf you'd always want to be watching in person if you wanted to get an idea of a team's shape and habits.

Was Cook worried about team shape and habits? He’d still play 4-2-3-1 and expecting attacking play out wide with Donacien and Clements. Did he really think Charlton would approach Gateshead away the same as us at home? Actually, he probably did.

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This on 10:25 - Dec 5 by WD19
I find this repeated notion from some that Cook is/was somehow a not very good manager because it didn’t work for him here strange. Football has not evolved that much in 12-18 months. The key but is ‘why’ it did not work for him here….and of all the possibilities ‘because he lost all of ability overnight’ is one of the less likely answers.

Cook had to go because he would not or could not, react to what was happening in front of him on the pitch, when the initial game plan was not working we all knew Town would throw away a lead to draw or lose. When even Crewe and Cambridge were able to make a change that put us on the back foot and PC had no idea how to gain control of the game back again. The next manager just has to be able to make changes to dominate the second half of games in the same way as we did in so many first half's.

This on 10:39 - Dec 5 with 2727 views

billlm

This on 09:53 - Dec 5 by hadleighboyblue
Absolutely agree , well said . Pc's downfall was not being able to bring Richardson with him , the 2 of them together would have worked . I wish PC well , he's a real football man but was let down by poor coaching / tactical awareness . Liam Manning looks like a good fit for what we need , someone with new ideas

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This on 10:52 - Dec 5 with 2586 views

andytown

This on 10:17 - Dec 5 by Basuco
Or was it the mark of PC, he must have known that the appointment of JM without his agreement signalled the end was fast approaching, but still went and watched a player live where you see his work off the all as well as on it.

Do we know for definite that JM was appointed without Cook’s agreement?

This on 11:51 - Dec 5 with 2383 views

stonojnr

This on 10:28 - Dec 5 by OsborneOneNil
Haha! You can’t scout a player watching a game on tv. Not the same as being there in person. Lots of off the ball stuff you miss.

and thats why you employ club scouts who live in that region to do that job for you, the manager shouldnt have been wasting his time & energy on that kind of travelling when he had much bigger problems to fix here and needed to focus on that.

and it wasnt about scouting a player, it was supposedly to scout Charlton ahead of Tuesdays game, which as they played a different team to the one we'll face,even if they stick to the same style, it probably wont have been that informative, or anything he didnt already know about them.

This on 11:57 - Dec 5 with 2323 views

gordon

I bet Ashton's sending him loads of emails now demanding that he upload a copy of his Gateshead scouting report onto the ITFC google drive.

This on 12:16 - Dec 5 with 2222 views

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This on 10:25 - Dec 5 by WD19
I find this repeated notion from some that Cook is/was somehow a not very good manager because it didn’t work for him here strange. Football has not evolved that much in 12-18 months. The key but is ‘why’ it did not work for him here….and of all the possibilities ‘because he lost all of ability overnight’ is one of the less likely answers.

I think he has failed here because of what was missing - Leam Richardson or an equal replacement. Not saying that Cook is not a good manager, but don't think he's adapted to working without an effective number 2. These days it takes more people than just a good manager to be successful. Even the most successful managers have quality technical staff working with them.

This on 12:23 - Dec 5 with 2177 views

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This on 10:25 - Dec 5 by WD19
I find this repeated notion from some that Cook is/was somehow a not very good manager because it didn’t work for him here strange. Football has not evolved that much in 12-18 months. The key but is ‘why’ it did not work for him here….and of all the possibilities ‘because he lost all of ability overnight’ is one of the less likely answers.

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This on 10:25 - Dec 5 by WD19
I find this repeated notion from some that Cook is/was somehow a not very good manager because it didn’t work for him here strange. Football has not evolved that much in 12-18 months. The key but is ‘why’ it did not work for him here….and of all the possibilities ‘because he lost all of ability overnight’ is one of the less likely answers.

Indeed.

He didn’t get the results needed clearly. But the conclusions and judgements on here as to why have often been ludicrous based on what we know of Cook and also the past 20 years of following Ipswich.

The bad news is we’ll no doubt have to deal with the same self-opinionated bobbins and people calling it early on the next manager too. Let’s just hope we have a good few months and I’ll take people using it to rubbish Cook and big up the new man as the next Burley.

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This on 12:49 - Dec 5 with 1968 views

gordon

This on 12:16 - Dec 5 by AlanG296
I think he has failed here because of what was missing - Leam Richardson or an equal replacement. Not saying that Cook is not a good manager, but don't think he's adapted to working without an effective number 2. These days it takes more people than just a good manager to be successful. Even the most successful managers have quality technical staff working with them.

Think he's probably just quite an infectious, positive personality, good for morale etc, and if you combine that with staff who know how to run training sessions and set a team up it works really well - but if you don't have those skills around him it doesn't work well.

This on 13:11 - Dec 5 with 1818 views

Darth_Koont

This on 12:49 - Dec 5 by gordon
Think he's probably just quite an infectious, positive personality, good for morale etc, and if you combine that with staff who know how to run training sessions and set a team up it works really well - but if you don't have those skills around him it doesn't work well.

Wouldn’t Cook himself have that insight if the training sessions/team set-up was lacking? Certainly he’d have vastly more information and experience to go on than we have.

I just think the very nature of football management and the real difference between success/failure is less simple. If it’s anything like what I’ve read about football, other sports and improvement processes in general, it’s predominantly a collection of tiny margins and marginal gains, plus trickier areas to grasp or achieve like confidence and momentum.

I’d be gobsmacked if he just decided to wing it with sub-par preparation. Or that he wasn’t aware of the standard.

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This on 13:32 - Dec 5 with 1617 views

gordon

This on 13:11 - Dec 5 by Darth_Koont

I think it's one of the hardest things (in life) for individuals to judge just how/when/why they're lacking and need support / advice, particularly in professions where being confidence / assertive / positive / certain is important (like football management), and more so in masculine environments.

Really can't imagine Paul Cook feeling comfortable going to Mark Ashton after 10 games (e.g.) and saying he needed to bring in an assistant to help him with tactics. It would have been an admission of weakness, and I think he probably never felt comfortable in his position at ITFC because of the way he was recruited by Evans without being told about the takeover etc., then all these new people turn up, when he'd been hoping to have the run of the place.

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