| Ipswich still hasn't an identity years on..... 21:37 - Jan 31 with 1889 views | Pippin1970 |
Swap change, swap change. Maybe one day we will. |  | | |  |
| Ipswich still hasn't an identity years on..... on 21:40 - Jan 31 with 1863 views | wkj |
We didn't really have much choice in it this time. Given how it looks like we're going to be set up to balance the books, you may find that swapping and selling is the identity. |  |
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| Ipswich still hasn't an identity years on..... on 21:43 - Jan 31 with 1841 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
You are in support of the lack of incoming players this transfer window, then?
It is easier to keep a settled squad once you have a successful squad. However, even then personnel do change. I trust we will never see a Hurst or Cook-like total overhaul and that we will never need one either.
I would also like our identity to be as an entertaining footballing side as much as based around established players. |  |
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| Ipswich still hasn't an identity years on..... on 21:50 - Jan 31 with 1791 views | Pippin1970 |
| Ipswich still hasn't an identity years on..... on 21:43 - Jan 31 by Nthsuffolkblue |
You are in support of the lack of incoming players this transfer window, then?
It is easier to keep a settled squad once you have a successful squad. However, even then personnel do change. I trust we will never see a Hurst or Cook-like total overhaul and that we will never need one either.
I would also like our identity to be as an entertaining footballing side as much as based around established players. |
No it's not that. We chop and change players consistently now on a regular basis. You think you have an idea of consistent line up but it never happens. He comes across so far with possibly the best one for a long time but I'm not holding my breath. | | | |
| Ipswich still hasn't an identity years on..... on 21:50 - Jan 31 with 1789 views | Mullet |
Unfortunately post-McCarthy and the absolute binfire we had in the market that summer we've been a club on the decline. An established Div 3 one which is an absolute insult frankly.
But expecting it all to just undo itself in as many months as it took years seems foolish now. Especially when Cook was the last in an ever failing line of managers. New owners, new structure, new school manager all falling into place and the return has already been 4 wins in 6.
Think over the course of the season we'd take that sort of ratio of points returned wouldn't we? The real test is how much coaching McKenna can do with these players and what that means for a club who will have to buy low and sell high until we get the big money regular. |  |
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| Ipswich still hasn't an identity years on..... on 22:16 - Jan 31 with 1638 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Ipswich still hasn't an identity years on..... on 21:50 - Jan 31 by Pippin1970 |
No it's not that. We chop and change players consistently now on a regular basis. You think you have an idea of consistent line up but it never happens. He comes across so far with possibly the best one for a long time but I'm not holding my breath. |
Only seems to do so through unavailability.
I would suggest it is fairly clear who his first choice 11 is but he has had players missing for various reasons most matches. He did choose to use the squad last Tuesday evening, though. | |
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| Ipswich still hasn't an identity years on..... on 22:21 - Jan 31 with 1618 views | davblue |
| Ipswich still hasn't an identity years on..... on 21:50 - Jan 31 by Mullet |
Unfortunately post-McCarthy and the absolute binfire we had in the market that summer we've been a club on the decline. An established Div 3 one which is an absolute insult frankly.
But expecting it all to just undo itself in as many months as it took years seems foolish now. Especially when Cook was the last in an ever failing line of managers. New owners, new structure, new school manager all falling into place and the return has already been 4 wins in 6.
Think over the course of the season we'd take that sort of ratio of points returned wouldn't we? The real test is how much coaching McKenna can do with these players and what that means for a club who will have to buy low and sell high until we get the big money regular. |
It was never going to be sorted out in one window unless we got incredibly luck and had 10 - 12 players who were really good buys and successful.
Who do we have so far you could say have been good.
Walton, Aluko, Edmundson, Bonne, Burns, Morsy, Chaplin, so 7 out of 19 so far have looked good signings. |  | | |
| Ipswich still hasn't an identity years on..... on 22:35 - Jan 31 with 1548 views | ArnieM |
| Ipswich still hasn't an identity years on..... on 22:21 - Jan 31 by davblue |
It was never going to be sorted out in one window unless we got incredibly luck and had 10 - 12 players who were really good buys and successful.
Who do we have so far you could say have been good.
Walton, Aluko, Edmundson, Bonne, Burns, Morsy, Chaplin, so 7 out of 19 so far have looked good signings. |
This comment “ it was never going to be sorted in just one window “…. Does make me smile. Cook only had one window, but that was deemed more than enough . I’m not saying Cook was right but it seems the goals posts are being shifted depending on whose in charge. McKenna has inherited a much better group of players than Cook did . Is promotion still expected and no promotion deemed a failure of a sackable outcome again?
Just asking …. |  |
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| Ipswich still hasn't an identity years on..... on 22:46 - Jan 31 with 1500 views | Stewart27 |
| Ipswich still hasn't an identity years on..... on 22:35 - Jan 31 by ArnieM |
This comment “ it was never going to be sorted in just one window “…. Does make me smile. Cook only had one window, but that was deemed more than enough . I’m not saying Cook was right but it seems the goals posts are being shifted depending on whose in charge. McKenna has inherited a much better group of players than Cook did . Is promotion still expected and no promotion deemed a failure of a sackable outcome again?
Just asking …. |
Cook took us from the fringes of the play offs to mid table with a very easy run in. Plus we were on the ascendancy when he arrived and top two wasn’t out of the question.
McKenna is not getting a free hit, but we would need to do incredibly well to get in the play offs.
The two situations are not really comparable. | | | |
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| Ipswich still hasn't an identity years on..... on 22:52 - Jan 31 with 1480 views | ArnieM |
| Ipswich still hasn't an identity years on..... on 22:46 - Jan 31 by Stewart27 |
Cook took us from the fringes of the play offs to mid table with a very easy run in. Plus we were on the ascendancy when he arrived and top two wasn’t out of the question.
McKenna is not getting a free hit, but we would need to do incredibly well to get in the play offs.
The two situations are not really comparable. |
The current players are playing for McKenna. That’s their choice it seems.
The players Cook took over went from a mini run of 3 wins … ( until the take over was announced ) to downing tools when they discovered they’d be shown the door in the summer.
Sorry, but I blame the players …. All of them now play for Col U who can’t buy a win it seems . Funny how it’s never the players fault ! | |
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| Ipswich still hasn't an identity years on..... on 23:44 - Jan 31 with 1386 views | reusersfreekicks |
| Ipswich still hasn't an identity years on..... on 22:52 - Jan 31 by ArnieM |
The current players are playing for McKenna. That’s their choice it seems.
The players Cook took over went from a mini run of 3 wins … ( until the take over was announced ) to downing tools when they discovered they’d be shown the door in the summer.
Sorry, but I blame the players …. All of them now play for Col U who can’t buy a win it seems . Funny how it’s never the players fault ! |
Nonsense
Do Downes and Dozzell play for Colchester then?
What about Cook's achievements with the players he got in?
Ridiculous post |  | | |
| Ipswich still hasn't an identity years on..... on 23:45 - Jan 31 with 1383 views | rgp1 |
| Ipswich still hasn't an identity years on..... on 22:52 - Jan 31 by ArnieM |
The current players are playing for McKenna. That’s their choice it seems.
The players Cook took over went from a mini run of 3 wins … ( until the take over was announced ) to downing tools when they discovered they’d be shown the door in the summer.
Sorry, but I blame the players …. All of them now play for Col U who can’t buy a win it seems . Funny how it’s never the players fault ! |
Mckenna deserves a knighthood if he gets this lot into the play offs. I'm afraid the points ratio just doesn't fit. I hate to say it but its next season for me. | | | |
| Ipswich still hasn't an identity years on..... on 23:54 - Jan 31 with 1354 views | jeera |
| Ipswich still hasn't an identity years on..... on 22:52 - Jan 31 by ArnieM |
The current players are playing for McKenna. That’s their choice it seems.
The players Cook took over went from a mini run of 3 wins … ( until the take over was announced ) to downing tools when they discovered they’d be shown the door in the summer.
Sorry, but I blame the players …. All of them now play for Col U who can’t buy a win it seems . Funny how it’s never the players fault ! |
The takeover wasn't announced then.
What are you on about?
Your post should have started with "I blame the players, now how can I make that fit?" |  |
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| Ipswich still hasn't an identity years on..... on 09:44 - Feb 1 with 1076 views | davblue |
| Ipswich still hasn't an identity years on..... on 22:35 - Jan 31 by ArnieM |
This comment “ it was never going to be sorted in just one window “…. Does make me smile. Cook only had one window, but that was deemed more than enough . I’m not saying Cook was right but it seems the goals posts are being shifted depending on whose in charge. McKenna has inherited a much better group of players than Cook did . Is promotion still expected and no promotion deemed a failure of a sackable outcome again?
Just asking …. |
i've said it from the start, i never thought we would be close to the Auto's this year with that amount of change. I always felt like next season was the one where we had to challenge for automatic promotion, no matter who's in charge. | | | |
| Ipswich still hasn't an identity years on..... on 10:16 - Feb 1 with 1018 views | ArnieM |
| Ipswich still hasn't an identity years on..... on 23:44 - Jan 31 by reusersfreekicks |
Nonsense
Do Downes and Dozzell play for Colchester then?
What about Cook's achievements with the players he got in?
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Lol so I missed out the obvious 2 players that didn’t go to Col Utd …thought it didn’t need saying tbh… but the other 4-5 “ key” players for Town all go to a league Two club. I think that speaks volumes for how “good” these players really were . Not a nonsense post at all , you’ve just been selective of my omission of two players that did go to a higher level.
I’ll repeat that for you so there’s no misunderstanding…. That’s TWO players out of the that Lambert squad…. Not very good is it. But don’t let facts get in the way of your reply. | |
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| Ipswich still hasn't an identity years on..... on 10:20 - Feb 1 with 1004 views | wkj |
| Ipswich still hasn't an identity years on..... on 10:16 - Feb 1 by ArnieM |
Lol so I missed out the obvious 2 players that didn’t go to Col Utd …thought it didn’t need saying tbh… but the other 4-5 “ key” players for Town all go to a league Two club. I think that speaks volumes for how “good” these players really were . Not a nonsense post at all , you’ve just been selective of my omission of two players that did go to a higher level.
I’ll repeat that for you so there’s no misunderstanding…. That’s TWO players out of the that Lambert squad…. Not very good is it. But don’t let facts get in the way of your reply. |
You have such a toxic view on town youth who left the nest. Take a good look at the facts though - who have we produced of note in the last 15 or so years compared to Norwich who have produced the likes of Maddison?
That isn't a case of having a bunch of kids who don't take their development seriously (although that certainly happens) It is a case of our academy and youth development being poor. Our catchment has shrunk and we're stuck as CAT2. | |
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| Ipswich still hasn't an identity years on..... on 10:21 - Feb 1 with 999 views | chicoazul |
| Ipswich still hasn't an identity years on..... on 21:50 - Jan 31 by Pippin1970 |
No it's not that. We chop and change players consistently now on a regular basis. You think you have an idea of consistent line up but it never happens. He comes across so far with possibly the best one for a long time but I'm not holding my breath. |
That *is* our identity now. |  |
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| Ipswich still hasn't an identity years on..... on 10:42 - Feb 1 with 968 views | Churchman |
| Ipswich still hasn't an identity years on..... on 10:20 - Feb 1 by wkj |
You have such a toxic view on town youth who left the nest. Take a good look at the facts though - who have we produced of note in the last 15 or so years compared to Norwich who have produced the likes of Maddison?
That isn't a case of having a bunch of kids who don't take their development seriously (although that certainly happens) It is a case of our academy and youth development being poor. Our catchment has shrunk and we're stuck as CAT2. |
This view is reinforced by Kieron Dyer and Alan Lee’s comments. Burley also commented recently that a club of this size should be producing a body of its own players supplemented by good transfer business.
Our youth system has been allowed to rot. If the owners do one thing, it has to be to make a choice between investing in youth or abandoning it Brentford style. Jogging along as we’ve done is a waste of time. Wickham was sold for decent money 11 years ago. That says it all to me.
As for the current team, I had hoped Cook might perform a miracle and pull together a competitive team. The ages were right and so was the hype surrounding the players. A foolish hope in retrospect.
I just hope McKenna is allowed to get on with the job and given as much support as FFP allows. I think the current team has the basis of a decent one. We can’t keep doing this appoint, hope, despair, no free hits, fire, rinse and repeat. If we do we will remain marooned or worse. Leave him in place and let’s see what happens. |  | | |
| Ipswich still hasn't an identity years on..... on 11:25 - Feb 1 with 943 views | ElephantintheRoom |
| Ipswich still hasn't an identity years on..... on 10:20 - Feb 1 by wkj |
You have such a toxic view on town youth who left the nest. Take a good look at the facts though - who have we produced of note in the last 15 or so years compared to Norwich who have produced the likes of Maddison?
That isn't a case of having a bunch of kids who don't take their development seriously (although that certainly happens) It is a case of our academy and youth development being poor. Our catchment has shrunk and we're stuck as CAT2. |
To be fair Norwich bought Maddison from Coventry - but you make a good point. The key difference is that at present Norwich can develop players who can realistically expect or hope to play in the premier league - then jump ship for better things. Town by contrast are trapped in a never world of their own making - the obvious talents leave as schoolboys and the so-so players, the Talbots, Stockwell etc are discarded. Most worrying of all is the number of perfectly adequate goal scorers who keep slipping through their fingers. | |
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| Ipswich still hasn't an identity years on..... on 12:34 - Feb 1 with 882 views | DavoIPB |
| Ipswich still hasn't an identity years on..... on 22:35 - Jan 31 by ArnieM |
This comment “ it was never going to be sorted in just one window “…. Does make me smile. Cook only had one window, but that was deemed more than enough . I’m not saying Cook was right but it seems the goals posts are being shifted depending on whose in charge. McKenna has inherited a much better group of players than Cook did . Is promotion still expected and no promotion deemed a failure of a sackable outcome again?
Just asking …. |
Next year yes, to think KM will go if he doesn't get promotion not this year. Cook got sacked because he couldn't get the players to beat teams at the bottom of league 2 and he was very erratic. We had no clear plan
Players didn't seem to know what they were supposed to do. | | | |
| Ipswich still hasn't an identity years on..... on 21:07 - Feb 1 with 753 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Ipswich still hasn't an identity years on..... on 12:34 - Feb 1 by DavoIPB |
Next year yes, to think KM will go if he doesn't get promotion not this year. Cook got sacked because he couldn't get the players to beat teams at the bottom of league 2 and he was very erratic. We had no clear plan
Players didn't seem to know what they were supposed to do. |
Indeed, the issue wasn't that Cook did not get us promoted but that he was clearly taking us backwards. Having discarded a full squad that had us on the verge of the play-offs because he didn't think they were good enough (and then changing his mind a few times on a couple of that squad too), he brought in 19 players. He then stated there would need to be more changes in January. He was a terrible man manager and a terrible tactician. It is notable that McKenna has not seen any need to make wholesale changes this transfer window as he believes he can manage the players he has.
If McKenna takes us backwards at the rate Cook did, he won't get a second transfer window either. But that also means we may well be playing in League 2 next season with that further drop-off. | |
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| Ipswich still hasn't an identity years on..... on 21:17 - Feb 1 with 735 views | rgp1 |
| Ipswich still hasn't an identity years on..... on 21:07 - Feb 1 by Nthsuffolkblue |
Indeed, the issue wasn't that Cook did not get us promoted but that he was clearly taking us backwards. Having discarded a full squad that had us on the verge of the play-offs because he didn't think they were good enough (and then changing his mind a few times on a couple of that squad too), he brought in 19 players. He then stated there would need to be more changes in January. He was a terrible man manager and a terrible tactician. It is notable that McKenna has not seen any need to make wholesale changes this transfer window as he believes he can manage the players he has.
If McKenna takes us backwards at the rate Cook did, he won't get a second transfer window either. But that also means we may well be playing in League 2 next season with that further drop-off. |
My only fear for McKenna is that he falls into the cook trap of constantly changing the starting 11 because he feels the need to utilise the squad. At Hillsborough to my mind he should have made just the enforced changes. Making 5 changes does nothing to enhance player confidence. Yes I know sometimes its horses for courses, however if the likes of jackson for example are only good for one game, then why bother selecting him at all. | | | |
| Ipswich still hasn't an identity years on..... on 21:27 - Feb 1 with 717 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Ipswich still hasn't an identity years on..... on 21:17 - Feb 1 by rgp1 |
My only fear for McKenna is that he falls into the cook trap of constantly changing the starting 11 because he feels the need to utilise the squad. At Hillsborough to my mind he should have made just the enforced changes. Making 5 changes does nothing to enhance player confidence. Yes I know sometimes its horses for courses, however if the likes of jackson for example are only good for one game, then why bother selecting him at all. |
It wasn't really 5 changes, though, was it? He rested a few for the Wimbledon trip (hence the one-off appearance for Jackson) and then he played the same side as Accrington but was forced into changes for the unavailable Morsy and Carroll. Thompson was the only change having been brought in after that match but even there Vincent-Young was unavailable and may have kept his place had he not been.
I was surprised to see McKenna use the squad against Wimbledon but we won that match reasonably comfortably so he can't really be criticised for that. It is far cry from when Cook put out weakened teams. I think it is fairly clear what McKenna sees our strongest team as. | |
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