| Lewisham Deptford Labour Party focused on the priorities 17:00 - Jan 13 with 2106 views | tractordownsouth |
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| Lewisham Deptford Labour Party focused on the priorities on 17:16 - Jan 13 with 1247 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
Too right - he should be 11pc ahead! |  | | |
| Lewisham Deptford Labour Party focused on the priorities on 17:21 - Jan 13 with 1231 views | tractordownsouth |
| Lewisham Deptford Labour Party focused on the priorities on 17:16 - Jan 13 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
Too right - he should be 11pc ahead! |
The 10 point lead is a real betrayal of Jeremy's legacy. You're not a true socialist unless your leadership gives the Tories an 80 seat majority. | |
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| Lewisham Deptford Labour Party focused on the priorities on 17:36 - Jan 13 with 1183 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| Lewisham Deptford Labour Party focused on the priorities on 17:21 - Jan 13 by tractordownsouth |
The 10 point lead is a real betrayal of Jeremy's legacy. You're not a true socialist unless your leadership gives the Tories an 80 seat majority. |
But he did “win the argument”.
Shame we can’t have a snap election, two more years of these snouts in the trough seems unbearable. | | | |
| Lewisham Deptford Labour Party focused on the priorities on 17:39 - Jan 13 with 1173 views | Darth_Koont |
Any other leader would be XX points ahead etc.
But maybe this is a reflection on the man not on a transient poll lead against the worst government and PM ever.
I certainly have little to no confidence in Starmer. Unless as an obstacle to progress. |  |
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| Lewisham Deptford Labour Party focused on the priorities on 17:41 - Jan 13 with 1154 views | footers |
I forgot that politics was actually like supporting a football team and has nothing to do with ideology, silly me. |  |
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| Lewisham Deptford Labour Party focused on the priorities on 17:42 - Jan 13 with 1140 views | Dubtractor |
| Lewisham Deptford Labour Party focused on the priorities on 17:39 - Jan 13 by Darth_Koont |
Any other leader would be XX points ahead etc.
But maybe this is a reflection on the man not on a transient poll lead against the worst government and PM ever.
I certainly have little to no confidence in Starmer. Unless as an obstacle to progress. |
I appreciate why you don't have a lot of time for Starmer, but surely you can see that this is a frankly stupid time to table something like this? It just makes them look daft and won't get any sympathy/support other than from the hardcore Corbyn supporters. |  |
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| Lewisham Deptford Labour Party focused on the priorities on 17:46 - Jan 13 with 1117 views | Herbivore |
| Lewisham Deptford Labour Party focused on the priorities on 17:39 - Jan 13 by Darth_Koont |
Any other leader would be XX points ahead etc.
But maybe this is a reflection on the man not on a transient poll lead against the worst government and PM ever.
I certainly have little to no confidence in Starmer. Unless as an obstacle to progress. |
I mean, it's the same PM and government that Corbyn managed to cede an 80 seat majority to from a position that was essentially a hung parliament. That says something about the scale of his failure given that you rightly highlight that they are the worst government and PM in history.
This does seem rather tone deaf, does it not? Surely there are better ways to try to influence the direction of the party than to hold a meaningless vote of no confidence at a juncture where the Tories are well and truly on the ropes? |  |
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| Lewisham Deptford Labour Party focused on the priorities on 17:48 - Jan 13 with 1106 views | J2BLUE |
| Lewisham Deptford Labour Party focused on the priorities on 17:42 - Jan 13 by Dubtractor |
I appreciate why you don't have a lot of time for Starmer, but surely you can see that this is a frankly stupid time to table something like this? It just makes them look daft and won't get any sympathy/support other than from the hardcore Corbyn supporters. |
Wait, you still take him seriously?
He's a parody of himself. |  |
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| Lewisham Deptford Labour Party focused on the priorities on 17:50 - Jan 13 with 1090 views | footers |
| Lewisham Deptford Labour Party focused on the priorities on 17:48 - Jan 13 by J2BLUE |
Wait, you still take him seriously?
He's a parody of himself. |
Koonters gets one of the roughest times on here from all sorts of posters, it's pretty unwarranted really. He just puts across his social democratic views and gets pelters for it. I believe pretty much the same things he does fwiw. | |
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| Lewisham Deptford Labour Party focused on the priorities on 18:01 - Jan 13 with 1033 views | Herbivore |
| Lewisham Deptford Labour Party focused on the priorities on 17:50 - Jan 13 by footers |
Koonters gets one of the roughest times on here from all sorts of posters, it's pretty unwarranted really. He just puts across his social democratic views and gets pelters for it. I believe pretty much the same things he does fwiw. |
Koonters gives as good as he gets, and in fairness that's not an entirely accurate depiction of his political posting. He was vociferous in his criticism of 'natural' Labour voters seeming to be more interested in attacking Corbyn's Labour than they were in getting the Tories out of power and now there's new leadership in Labour he is doing precisely what he accused others of doing. | |
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| Lewisham Deptford Labour Party focused on the priorities on 18:34 - Jan 13 with 967 views | Darth_Koont |
| Lewisham Deptford Labour Party focused on the priorities on 17:42 - Jan 13 by Dubtractor |
I appreciate why you don't have a lot of time for Starmer, but surely you can see that this is a frankly stupid time to table something like this? It just makes them look daft and won't get any sympathy/support other than from the hardcore Corbyn supporters. |
I get that but we’re a year or two from an election in all likelihood and this is part of a bigger problem in UK democracy.
Putting aside standards (honesty, decency, integrity and accountability) has given us all manner of problems over the last decade or two in particular. Culminating in someone as abject as Boris as PM and as craven and corrupt as his government.
But I’m not going to nod along to Starmer and the Labour Right being untrustworthy and vacuously self-serving. Then we’re no better than the Tories.
And of course it’s really all against the backdrop of the major challenges facing the UK continuing to be criminally ignored. Playing along with the game of politics is our core failure. | |
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| Lewisham Deptford Labour Party focused on the priorities on 19:01 - Jan 13 with 918 views | Darth_Koont |
| Lewisham Deptford Labour Party focused on the priorities on 17:50 - Jan 13 by footers |
Koonters gets one of the roughest times on here from all sorts of posters, it's pretty unwarranted really. He just puts across his social democratic views and gets pelters for it. I believe pretty much the same things he does fwiw. |
Back atcha, babes.
Interesting to see how democracy and standards in public life don’t matter if people are getting what they want. Cf. Boris supporters and radical centrists. | |
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| Lewisham Deptford Labour Party focused on the priorities on 19:04 - Jan 13 with 907 views | Darth_Koont |
| Lewisham Deptford Labour Party focused on the priorities on 17:48 - Jan 13 by J2BLUE |
Wait, you still take him seriously?
He's a parody of himself. |
That’s rich.
MrGrumpyPantsâ„¢ï¸ | |
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| Lewisham Deptford Labour Party focused on the priorities on 19:05 - Jan 13 with 904 views | Herbivore |
| Lewisham Deptford Labour Party focused on the priorities on 19:01 - Jan 13 by Darth_Koont |
Back atcha, babes.
Interesting to see how democracy and standards in public life don’t matter if people are getting what they want. Cf. Boris supporters and radical centrists. |
The idea of a radical centrist is rather odd. My issue with centrists is their refusal to embrace radical ideas that might benefit a large number of people. They're kind of the opposite of radical for the most part. | |
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| Lewisham Deptford Labour Party focused on the priorities on 19:09 - Jan 13 with 871 views | Darth_Koont |
| Lewisham Deptford Labour Party focused on the priorities on 18:01 - Jan 13 by Herbivore |
Koonters gives as good as he gets, and in fairness that's not an entirely accurate depiction of his political posting. He was vociferous in his criticism of 'natural' Labour voters seeming to be more interested in attacking Corbyn's Labour than they were in getting the Tories out of power and now there's new leadership in Labour he is doing precisely what he accused others of doing. |
I think I was criticising some people for lying, cheating and stealing to keep Labour out of power.
Slight difference.
If it was fair and reasoned comment then I discussed it. Still do. | |
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| Lewisham Deptford Labour Party focused on the priorities on 19:17 - Jan 13 with 840 views | Dubtractor |
| Lewisham Deptford Labour Party focused on the priorities on 18:34 - Jan 13 by Darth_Koont |
I get that but we’re a year or two from an election in all likelihood and this is part of a bigger problem in UK democracy.
Putting aside standards (honesty, decency, integrity and accountability) has given us all manner of problems over the last decade or two in particular. Culminating in someone as abject as Boris as PM and as craven and corrupt as his government.
But I’m not going to nod along to Starmer and the Labour Right being untrustworthy and vacuously self-serving. Then we’re no better than the Tories.
And of course it’s really all against the backdrop of the major challenges facing the UK continuing to be criminally ignored. Playing along with the game of politics is our core failure. |
I'm not really questioning that the proper left might want to challenge Starmer, even if I personally don't agree, its more the timing of it, when Starmer finally has a big lead and Johnson is properly on the ropes.
"What's that. the opposition leader is floundering? What a perfect time to go after our own leader instead." [Post edited 13 Jan 2022 19:22]
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| Lewisham Deptford Labour Party focused on the priorities on 19:18 - Jan 13 with 834 views | Darth_Koont |
| Lewisham Deptford Labour Party focused on the priorities on 19:05 - Jan 13 by Herbivore |
The idea of a radical centrist is rather odd. My issue with centrists is their refusal to embrace radical ideas that might benefit a large number of people. They're kind of the opposite of radical for the most part. |
I don’t think you’ve been paying much attention lately. It’s people who are very strong in their belief that bad things are bad (frowny face) but they don’t want to risk any material change to their lives through actual change.
Most of the Remainer/grown up politics cult energy right there. And I say that as a massive supporter of remaining in the EU.
The irony is that this self-centred attitude fuelled Brexit, regional dissatisfaction and independence sentiment, and handed power to the likes of Cummings and Johnson. Can’t wait for the next installment ... | |
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| Lewisham Deptford Labour Party focused on the priorities on 19:24 - Jan 13 with 810 views | Lord_Lucan |
| Lewisham Deptford Labour Party focused on the priorities on 19:18 - Jan 13 by Darth_Koont |
I don’t think you’ve been paying much attention lately. It’s people who are very strong in their belief that bad things are bad (frowny face) but they don’t want to risk any material change to their lives through actual change.
Most of the Remainer/grown up politics cult energy right there. And I say that as a massive supporter of remaining in the EU.
The irony is that this self-centred attitude fuelled Brexit, regional dissatisfaction and independence sentiment, and handed power to the likes of Cummings and Johnson. Can’t wait for the next installment ... |
I take it you saw the final Curb?
Amazing stuff really, unlike my mates I never saw the shoe bit coming. Shockingly brilliant! |  |
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| Lewisham Deptford Labour Party focused on the priorities on 19:27 - Jan 13 with 798 views | Darth_Koont |
| Lewisham Deptford Labour Party focused on the priorities on 19:17 - Jan 13 by Dubtractor |
I'm not really questioning that the proper left might want to challenge Starmer, even if I personally don't agree, its more the timing of it, when Starmer finally has a big lead and Johnson is properly on the ropes.
"What's that. the opposition leader is floundering? What a perfect time to go after our own leader instead." [Post edited 13 Jan 2022 19:22]
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Why does timing come into it? Similar motions have been proposed or threatened for over a year in lots of CLPs.
Starmer committed to a progressive platform and party unity to get elected as leader. But he’s done the exact opposite since. I think a sizeable proportion of the membership has every right to keep complaining about his position.
That’s the Tories under Johnson and Leave campaign territory.
Of course, a lot of people don’t care if it’s seen as double-crossing the enemy (genuine social democrats for the large part). But then they’d have the same standards as Boris fanboys. | |
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| Lewisham Deptford Labour Party focused on the priorities on 19:27 - Jan 13 with 795 views | footers |
| Lewisham Deptford Labour Party focused on the priorities on 19:17 - Jan 13 by Dubtractor |
I'm not really questioning that the proper left might want to challenge Starmer, even if I personally don't agree, its more the timing of it, when Starmer finally has a big lead and Johnson is properly on the ropes.
"What's that. the opposition leader is floundering? What a perfect time to go after our own leader instead." [Post edited 13 Jan 2022 19:22]
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Might have a little something to do with Labour's march rightwards and the silencing of pretty moderate democratic socialist voices in the party which Starmer promised he wouldn't do. | |
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| Lewisham Deptford Labour Party focused on the priorities on 19:29 - Jan 13 with 792 views | HARRY10 |
Has it been passed, or voted on by all the members of that CLP ? | | | |
| Lewisham Deptford Labour Party focused on the priorities on 19:30 - Jan 13 with 793 views | lowhouseblue |
| Lewisham Deptford Labour Party focused on the priorities on 19:27 - Jan 13 by Darth_Koont |
Why does timing come into it? Similar motions have been proposed or threatened for over a year in lots of CLPs.
Starmer committed to a progressive platform and party unity to get elected as leader. But he’s done the exact opposite since. I think a sizeable proportion of the membership has every right to keep complaining about his position.
That’s the Tories under Johnson and Leave campaign territory.
Of course, a lot of people don’t care if it’s seen as double-crossing the enemy (genuine social democrats for the large part). But then they’d have the same standards as Boris fanboys. |
hopefully corbyn will launch his new party soon and you'll have somewhere to call home. you can plan your platform for government. |  |
| And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show |
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| Lewisham Deptford Labour Party focused on the priorities on 19:34 - Jan 13 with 770 views | footers |
| Lewisham Deptford Labour Party focused on the priorities on 19:30 - Jan 13 by lowhouseblue |
hopefully corbyn will launch his new party soon and you'll have somewhere to call home. you can plan your platform for government. |
You're honestly the strangest 'leftist' I've ever come across. Nothing you say or seemingly do relates in any way to leftist politics. Odd. | |
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