| Set pieces 10:12 - Feb 21 with 4517 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
First, let me be clear, I am delighted with McKenna and what he is achieving with us at the moment. Set pieces have been a problem for us for much longer than his reign too. I also never want us to become a team like Cheltenham were against us when we played them away reliant on set pieces for goals.
However, do we have a set piece specialist coach? 1 goal in 140 corners for United suggests this is not a strength that McKenna and Pert will bring. I also trust McKenna to be aware of this so just a question about the current existence or otherwise of such a specialist coach. |  |
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| Set pieces on 10:15 - Feb 21 with 3736 views | itfcjoe |
Was it his responsibility at United though, they are generally pretty granular at the big clubs so it may not have been something he had involvement with.
Shocking stat though, especially when you see how good Maguire is for England in the opponents box |  |
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| Set pieces on 10:19 - Feb 21 with 3697 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Set pieces on 10:15 - Feb 21 by itfcjoe |
Was it his responsibility at United though, they are generally pretty granular at the big clubs so it may not have been something he had involvement with.
Shocking stat though, especially when you see how good Maguire is for England in the opponents box |
True, but I suspect that McKenna and Pert have learnt a lot from their time in the set-up there and that would suggest it is something they would have had little to learn about from. | |
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| Set pieces on 10:23 - Feb 21 with 3659 views | FrimleyBlue |
Utd had a specialist set piece coach Eric Ramsey, he's not part of our new set up. No idea if he left with Ole [Post edited 21 Feb 2022 10:23]
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| Set pieces on 10:23 - Feb 21 with 3641 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Set pieces on 10:23 - Feb 21 by FrimleyBlue |
Utd had a specialist set piece coach Eric Ramsey, he's not part of our new set up. No idea if he left with Ole [Post edited 21 Feb 2022 10:23]
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Who is our one?
Interestingly, a quick Google shows James Wilson praising Matt Gill for this. [Post edited 21 Feb 2022 10:29]
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| Set pieces on 10:25 - Feb 21 with 3628 views | JakeITFC |
Thought the Burton lad (Powell?) had a great delivery on Saturday, that kind of flat, drilled corner that we've been trying to get right for a long time. |  | | |
| Set pieces on 10:27 - Feb 21 with 3601 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Set pieces on 10:25 - Feb 21 by JakeITFC |
Thought the Burton lad (Powell?) had a great delivery on Saturday, that kind of flat, drilled corner that we've been trying to get right for a long time. |
Indeed. How much is about player ability and how much about coaching? United's stat would suggest there is a big coaching element because they definitely have players with great set piece ability. | |
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| Set pieces on 10:54 - Feb 21 with 3467 views | Bluroo |
Only 1% of corners lead directly to a goal. It’s an over-rated “opportunity” in football. One day there will be some sort of revolution in football where the norm won’t be to swing it in and hope, but to build possession based pressure… So come on KMac you’re exactly the sort of modern strategist to lead by example on this… |  | | |
| Set pieces on 10:59 - Feb 21 with 3426 views | reusersfreekicks |
Set piece specialist coach!!
Are we playing American Football now where they have a coach for everything?? |  | | |
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| Set pieces on 11:03 - Feb 21 with 3403 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| Set pieces on 10:54 - Feb 21 by Bluroo |
Only 1% of corners lead directly to a goal. It’s an over-rated “opportunity” in football. One day there will be some sort of revolution in football where the norm won’t be to swing it in and hope, but to build possession based pressure… So come on KMac you’re exactly the sort of modern strategist to lead by example on this… |
The Athletic did a piece a couple of years ago saying that an average over 10 PL seasons was 3.4% conversion rate. That season it was 4%.
That's an average, so there will of course be teams that do better.
A few seasons ago WBA had a 10% conversion rate in the Prem.
https://talksport.com/football/230431/revealed-each-premier-league-clubs-success [Post edited 21 Feb 2022 11:06]
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| Set pieces on 11:04 - Feb 21 with 3395 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Set pieces on 10:54 - Feb 21 by Bluroo |
Only 1% of corners lead directly to a goal. It’s an over-rated “opportunity” in football. One day there will be some sort of revolution in football where the norm won’t be to swing it in and hope, but to build possession based pressure… So come on KMac you’re exactly the sort of modern strategist to lead by example on this… |
Depends on competition but studies show somewhat higher than 1% generally.
I do get your point, though and I like the idea of the possession-based pressure.
Sorry, forgot the link! https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Studies-reporting-percentage-of-corner-kicks [Post edited 21 Feb 2022 11:04]
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| Set pieces on 11:05 - Feb 21 with 3377 views | davblue |
| Set pieces on 10:59 - Feb 21 by reusersfreekicks |
Set piece specialist coach!!
Are we playing American Football now where they have a coach for everything?? |
Engalnd and Liverpool haven't one too badly with one! |  | | |
| Set pieces on 11:09 - Feb 21 with 3313 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Set pieces on 11:05 - Feb 21 by davblue |
Engalnd and Liverpool haven't one too badly with one! |
I would be pretty sure most teams practise set pieces and all teams have a coach in charge of every session. But, there we go, it would make it American Football if there was one. | |
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| Set pieces on 11:12 - Feb 21 with 3300 views | Timefliesbyintheblue |
| Set pieces on 10:54 - Feb 21 by Bluroo |
Only 1% of corners lead directly to a goal. It’s an over-rated “opportunity” in football. One day there will be some sort of revolution in football where the norm won’t be to swing it in and hope, but to build possession based pressure… So come on KMac you’re exactly the sort of modern strategist to lead by example on this… |
You are so right Bluroo; the cheer we all give when we get a corner, is one of false hope I guess, as yes very few at any level result in a goal. Indeed, there are more goals given to the opposition from breakaways than those scored from the corner!
Attending all home games and most of the away, I do agree though that a dead ball specialist at free kicks, corners etc would add to our armoury. | | | |
| Set pieces on 11:14 - Feb 21 with 3281 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Set pieces on 11:12 - Feb 21 by Timefliesbyintheblue |
You are so right Bluroo; the cheer we all give when we get a corner, is one of false hope I guess, as yes very few at any level result in a goal. Indeed, there are more goals given to the opposition from breakaways than those scored from the corner!
Attending all home games and most of the away, I do agree though that a dead ball specialist at free kicks, corners etc would add to our armoury. |
Add to our armoury in preventing the plethora of breakaway goals we are currently conceding or you are contradicting your unsubstantiated assertion? | |
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| Set pieces on 11:18 - Feb 21 with 3262 views | Guthrum |
| Set pieces on 10:59 - Feb 21 by reusersfreekicks |
Set piece specialist coach!!
Are we playing American Football now where they have a coach for everything?? |
Yes. It's only a continuation of the process which has already introduced fitness and conditioning coaches, stats analysts, Directors of Football and so on. The constant striving for a competitive edge from those clubs who can afford such tools of excellence in specific areas of the game.
Those who don't do it get left behind. |  |
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| Set pieces on 11:25 - Feb 21 with 3208 views | Timefliesbyintheblue |
| Set pieces on 11:14 - Feb 21 by Nthsuffolkblue |
Add to our armoury in preventing the plethora of breakaway goals we are currently conceding or you are contradicting your unsubstantiated assertion? |
I was talking football in general and not specifically ITFC. Attending most games I must disagree with your assertion that WE are conceding a plethora (meaning excessive amount) of breakaway goals. Oh and my unsubstantiated assertion comes from years of waching football!
We have a manager now that will be a success, of that I have no doubt; I just hope it is at ITFC. | | | |
| Set pieces on 11:26 - Feb 21 with 3202 views | Bluroo |
I’m referring to the same article. 4% is the rate of goals resulting indirectly from a corner - but it’s only 1% DIRECTLY as I said. | | | |
| Set pieces on 11:27 - Feb 21 with 3188 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Set pieces on 11:25 - Feb 21 by Timefliesbyintheblue |
I was talking football in general and not specifically ITFC. Attending most games I must disagree with your assertion that WE are conceding a plethora (meaning excessive amount) of breakaway goals. Oh and my unsubstantiated assertion comes from years of waching football!
We have a manager now that will be a success, of that I have no doubt; I just hope it is at ITFC. |
My years of watching football have seen teams concede far fewer goals on the break from a corner than are scored from them. Bearing in mind, that figure seems to be very low too, I can only assume we watch very different matches from each other. | |
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| Set pieces on 11:28 - Feb 21 with 3181 views | Guthrum |
| Set pieces on 10:54 - Feb 21 by Bluroo |
Only 1% of corners lead directly to a goal. It’s an over-rated “opportunity” in football. One day there will be some sort of revolution in football where the norm won’t be to swing it in and hope, but to build possession based pressure… So come on KMac you’re exactly the sort of modern strategist to lead by example on this… |
It would be interesting (tho probably not possible) to look at stats for goals scored in three or four phases after the corner is taken, e.g. corner cleared, ball back in, knock-down, shot, score.
The benefit of a corner was always that it is hard to organise the defence in such a compact area, intermingled with attacking players. However, in the modern era of giant centre-backs and goalies with an eight-foot-plus standing vertical reach, the advantage is always with the defending side. | |
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| Set pieces on 11:31 - Feb 21 with 3149 views | JakeITFC |
Also of reasonable interest from Saturday, Ipswich left nobody up for corners in the first half, and Burton followed us in with all ten outfielders. Highly unusual to see that - also they went man for man only when we did start leaving one outside of box (i.e. no spare man). | | | |
| Set pieces on 11:33 - Feb 21 with 3128 views | clive_baker |
Don't think they've been too bad of late tbh. We always looked particularly threatening from them under Mick, with Murphy, Chambers, Smith, Berra etc and decent delivery from Anderson, Hunt, Tabb. It does seem a while since we scored from a corner, certainly we lost something when Chambers left in that respect. The delivery has been better of late though, Woolfenden or Edmundson are due one soon. |  |
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| Set pieces on 11:45 - Feb 21 with 3045 views | DavoIPB |
| Set pieces on 11:33 - Feb 21 by clive_baker |
Don't think they've been too bad of late tbh. We always looked particularly threatening from them under Mick, with Murphy, Chambers, Smith, Berra etc and decent delivery from Anderson, Hunt, Tabb. It does seem a while since we scored from a corner, certainly we lost something when Chambers left in that respect. The delivery has been better of late though, Woolfenden or Edmundson are due one soon. |
Think they have been improving of late too. Evans seems to be getting better at delivery and our free kick delivery was really good on Saturday. | | | |
| Set pieces on 11:47 - Feb 21 with 3039 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Set pieces on 11:26 - Feb 21 by Bluroo |
I’m referring to the same article. 4% is the rate of goals resulting indirectly from a corner - but it’s only 1% DIRECTLY as I said. |
Why does it matter if the goal is direct from the first touch after the corner is taken?
4% of corners resulting in a goal, an average of around 5 corners per match. One would expect a goal from a corner around 1 in 5 matches. I don't think we are achieving that currently.
Of course, if the breakaway goal assertion were correct, it would mean that would happen more often than once every 5 matches. I can't recall the last time we conceded from a corner that we had. [Post edited 21 Feb 2022 11:53]
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| Set pieces on 11:54 - Feb 21 with 2988 views | clive_baker |
| Set pieces on 11:45 - Feb 21 by DavoIPB |
Think they have been improving of late too. Evans seems to be getting better at delivery and our free kick delivery was really good on Saturday. |
Yeah. Evans loves that little clipped ball in to the far post too, from the corner of the 18 yard box c. 25 out. Think that's what resulted in Woolfenden's offside goal on Saturday, he's certainly done that a few times recently to good effect. I don't think he takes a particularly bad corner on balance, of course they won't all be right. Agree with the OP though it's about time we got on the end of one and made it count. | |
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| Set pieces on 12:20 - Feb 21 with 2891 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| Set pieces on 11:26 - Feb 21 by Bluroo |
I’m referring to the same article. 4% is the rate of goals resulting indirectly from a corner - but it’s only 1% DIRECTLY as I said. |
The 4% comment is far more relevant.
Especially seeing as your solution is indirect. | |
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