| They've been shelling a nuclear plant? on 00:57 - Mar 4 with 2147 views | J2BLUE |
Just seen this on SN
What an insane world we live in. [Post edited 4 Mar 2022 1:02]
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| They've been shelling a nuclear plant? on 08:47 - Mar 4 with 1913 views | ElephantintheRoom |
Not just any nuclear power plant - Europe’s biggest
Mind you it would take a lot more than a few artillery shells to start a meltdown, even if they were hitting the power station, not a nearby office block.
A sobering dose of reality though to those who think this is just a bunch of Slavs killing each other and a PR opportunity for failed western politicians |  |
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| They've been shelling a nuclear plant? on 09:08 - Mar 4 with 1882 views | giant_stow |
| They've been shelling a nuclear plant? on 08:47 - Mar 4 by ElephantintheRoom |
Not just any nuclear power plant - Europe’s biggest
Mind you it would take a lot more than a few artillery shells to start a meltdown, even if they were hitting the power station, not a nearby office block.
A sobering dose of reality though to those who think this is just a bunch of Slavs killing each other and a PR opportunity for failed western politicians |
Tbh, I half thought I'd wake up to the worst sort of news. As you say, this one really brought it home. |  |
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| They've been shelling a nuclear plant? on 09:17 - Mar 4 with 1842 views | Churchman |
| They've been shelling a nuclear plant? on 09:08 - Mar 4 by giant_stow |
Tbh, I half thought I'd wake up to the worst sort of news. As you say, this one really brought it home. |
I gather the fire is out now and theRussians have taken the plant so it should be safe. I’m not sure even reducing the plant to rubble would create a nuclear disaster. Don’t these things have to blow inside out (Chernobyl and Fukijima) to do that?
I’ve no idea, but this surely brings it home that this war may not be containable. |  | | |
| They've been shelling a nuclear plant? on 09:24 - Mar 4 with 1816 views | giant_stow |
| They've been shelling a nuclear plant? on 09:17 - Mar 4 by Churchman |
I gather the fire is out now and theRussians have taken the plant so it should be safe. I’m not sure even reducing the plant to rubble would create a nuclear disaster. Don’t these things have to blow inside out (Chernobyl and Fukijima) to do that?
I’ve no idea, but this surely brings it home that this war may not be containable. |
I think there's some debate about whether this one could blow, being a pwr (whatever that means), yes. Anyway, glad it's safe for now. I wonder if the US / Russian holiness was buzzing hot overnight? | |
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| They've been shelling a nuclear plant? on 09:33 - Mar 4 with 1800 views | BloomBlue |
| They've been shelling a nuclear plant? on 08:47 - Mar 4 by ElephantintheRoom |
Not just any nuclear power plant - Europe’s biggest
Mind you it would take a lot more than a few artillery shells to start a meltdown, even if they were hitting the power station, not a nearby office block.
A sobering dose of reality though to those who think this is just a bunch of Slavs killing each other and a PR opportunity for failed western politicians |
True but even firing one artillery shell is dangerous and could in a worst case start a chain reaction that ends in disaster.
They won't deliberately destroy them and China has also this morning urged all sides to ensure safety of Ukraine nuclear facilities which will put pressure on Russia and hopefully prevent them trying anything as stupid again with the other Ukrainian nuclear power stations. |  | | |
| They've been shelling a nuclear plant? on 09:43 - Mar 4 with 1779 views | N2_Blue |
| They've been shelling a nuclear plant? on 09:24 - Mar 4 by giant_stow |
I think there's some debate about whether this one could blow, being a pwr (whatever that means), yes. Anyway, glad it's safe for now. I wonder if the US / Russian holiness was buzzing hot overnight? |
Isn’t the issue more that all it takes is taking out the power supply. Power is needed to keep the fuel reactors cool. No power and then you have a cooling issue and potential meltdown. That was the issue at Fukushima.
So any activity that can potentially take out power and any back up is a serious issue |  |
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| They've been shelling a nuclear plant? on 10:13 - Mar 4 with 1743 views | DinDjarin |
There was no shelling, the fire was caused by a flare to a training building outside the perimeter.
I hate mainstream media.
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| They've been shelling a nuclear plant? on 10:16 - Mar 4 with 1721 views | Darth_Koont |
| They've been shelling a nuclear plant? on 10:13 - Mar 4 by DinDjarin |
There was no shelling, the fire was caused by a flare to a training building outside the perimeter.
I hate mainstream media.
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I swear some people are itching for us to get involved. Scare stories like this (often for clicks) aren’t going to help. |  |
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| They've been shelling a nuclear plant? on 10:34 - Mar 4 with 1648 views | JDB23 |
| They've been shelling a nuclear plant? on 10:16 - Mar 4 by Darth_Koont |
I swear some people are itching for us to get involved. Scare stories like this (often for clicks) aren’t going to help. |
Yes, western media outlets parroting government propaganda without any fact checking or analysis is a common theme these past few years and has been no different during this war. I can understand why Ukraine would want to maximise fear to get more involvement from the west, but the media really should be far more responsible. | | | |
| They've been shelling a nuclear plant? on 10:38 - Mar 4 with 1631 views | hatch |
| They've been shelling a nuclear plant? on 10:13 - Mar 4 by DinDjarin |
There was no shelling, the fire was caused by a flare to a training building outside the perimeter.
I hate mainstream media.
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Second half of this video looks much worse than a flare to me:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-60613863 |  | | |
| They've been shelling a nuclear plant? on 10:40 - Mar 4 with 1613 views | Darth_Koont |
| They've been shelling a nuclear plant? on 10:34 - Mar 4 by JDB23 |
Yes, western media outlets parroting government propaganda without any fact checking or analysis is a common theme these past few years and has been no different during this war. I can understand why Ukraine would want to maximise fear to get more involvement from the west, but the media really should be far more responsible. |
This thread from a nuclear power expert should be more reassuring.
No doubt, the Russians have increased risk and psychologically it’s pretty revolting to spread that nuclear fear however overblown, but looks much more like they’re trying to force the nuclear plants to shut down and stop generating power in a more conventional warfare sense. | |
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| They've been shelling a nuclear plant? on 10:42 - Mar 4 with 1581 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| They've been shelling a nuclear plant? on 10:13 - Mar 4 by DinDjarin |
There was no shelling, the fire was caused by a flare to a training building outside the perimeter.
I hate mainstream media.
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How do you know that’s not Russian propaganda? How are we supposed to know what is true.
Would guess the media are in the dark as much as anyone. Probably only the security services know what’s actually happening on the ground. | | | |
| They've been shelling a nuclear plant? on 10:43 - Mar 4 with 1569 views | Guthrum |
| They've been shelling a nuclear plant? on 09:33 - Mar 4 by BloomBlue |
True but even firing one artillery shell is dangerous and could in a worst case start a chain reaction that ends in disaster.
They won't deliberately destroy them and China has also this morning urged all sides to ensure safety of Ukraine nuclear facilities which will put pressure on Russia and hopefully prevent them trying anything as stupid again with the other Ukrainian nuclear power stations. |
Not really. All the interesting stuff is within thick concrete shielding, to stop it escaping. It would take a pretty sustained (and accurate) bombardment to crack that open.
The big problem at Chernobyl was not so much that the containment failed, as the fire which put a huge cloud of radioactive smoke up into the atmosphere afterwards. |  |
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| They've been shelling a nuclear plant? on 10:43 - Mar 4 with 1571 views | DinDjarin |
Agree but not shelling and also outside the perimeter. Original reports reported gunfire which that seems to be.
Not sure even the Russians would be stupid enough to shell a nuclear facility, | | | |
| They've been shelling a nuclear plant? on 10:45 - Mar 4 with 1556 views | giant_stow |
Some people are desperate to minimise Russian actions, it seems. Just a firefight at a nuclear plant - no big deal. | |
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| They've been shelling a nuclear plant? on 10:50 - Mar 4 with 1505 views | Guthrum |
| They've been shelling a nuclear plant? on 10:43 - Mar 4 by DinDjarin |
Agree but not shelling and also outside the perimeter. Original reports reported gunfire which that seems to be.
Not sure even the Russians would be stupid enough to shell a nuclear facility, |
Possibly star-shells for illumination. They usually have little parachutes, so could have drifted into the plant on the wind. Notably, they are burning brightly on the way down and there is no explosion on impact, which one would expect there to be if artillery.
Certainly not normal shelling. | |
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| They've been shelling a nuclear plant? on 10:52 - Mar 4 with 1502 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| They've been shelling a nuclear plant? on 10:45 - Mar 4 by giant_stow |
Some people are desperate to minimise Russian actions, it seems. Just a firefight at a nuclear plant - no big deal. |
The troll farms pay well in Volgograd. | | | |
| They've been shelling a nuclear plant? on 10:52 - Mar 4 with 1500 views | JDB23 |
| They've been shelling a nuclear plant? on 10:40 - Mar 4 by Darth_Koont |
This thread from a nuclear power expert should be more reassuring.
No doubt, the Russians have increased risk and psychologically it’s pretty revolting to spread that nuclear fear however overblown, but looks much more like they’re trying to force the nuclear plants to shut down and stop generating power in a more conventional warfare sense. |
Yes I've been following his commentary on this, thankfully there are plenty of good experts out there who are providing valuable insight that is otherwise lacking from our media. | | | |
| They've been shelling a nuclear plant? on 10:57 - Mar 4 with 1480 views | Guthrum |
| They've been shelling a nuclear plant? on 10:42 - Mar 4 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
How do you know that’s not Russian propaganda? How are we supposed to know what is true.
Would guess the media are in the dark as much as anyone. Probably only the security services know what’s actually happening on the ground. |
There is, however, the Robert Heinlein adage (actually a paraphrase): Never ascribe to malice what can better be explained by incompetence. | |
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| They've been shelling a nuclear plant? on 11:00 - Mar 4 with 1454 views | BlueBadger |
| They've been shelling a nuclear plant? on 10:52 - Mar 4 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
The troll farms pay well in Volgograd. |
We just don't understand Russian irony. |  |
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| They've been shelling a nuclear plant? on 11:03 - Mar 4 with 1434 views | Darth_Koont |
| They've been shelling a nuclear plant? on 11:00 - Mar 4 by BlueBadger |
We just don't understand Russian irony. |
Don’t be such a c0ck. If you can help it. | |
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| They've been shelling a nuclear plant? on 11:28 - Mar 4 with 1330 views | DinDjarin |
| They've been shelling a nuclear plant? on 10:45 - Mar 4 by giant_stow |
Some people are desperate to minimise Russian actions, it seems. Just a firefight at a nuclear plant - no big deal. |
Not minimising at all I just try to find out the truth as Ukraine are desperate for NATO to get involved as are the media.
A firefight at a powerplant is not good and I never said it was but the hysteria is that Europe is about to be destroyed from a blown up powerplant is not even close to the truth. | | | |
| They've been shelling a nuclear plant? on 11:32 - Mar 4 with 1310 views | positivity |
| They've been shelling a nuclear plant? on 11:28 - Mar 4 by DinDjarin |
Not minimising at all I just try to find out the truth as Ukraine are desperate for NATO to get involved as are the media.
A firefight at a powerplant is not good and I never said it was but the hysteria is that Europe is about to be destroyed from a blown up powerplant is not even close to the truth. |
the worry is more that either:-
the russians make a mistake or those on the ground get out of control
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they get more desperate and the temptation to make this kind of statement increases | |
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| They've been shelling a nuclear plant? on 11:33 - Mar 4 with 1302 views | Guthrum |
But even that's only machine-gun fire, which isn't going to damage a nuclear reactor. | |
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