| How does this end for Putin? 23:46 - Mar 18 with 1855 views | OriginalMarkyP |
Let's assume there's a negotiated peace not global nuclear annihilation.
What then? All the talk of war crimes etc goes away?
The West accepts the status quo and gets on with it?
Is he weakened enough to leave himself open to regime change from within?
What happens next?
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| How does this end for Putin? on 07:59 - Mar 19 with 1682 views | Churchman |
There was never going to be a nuclear war. Russia stood to gain nothing with it. The link here isn’t evidence, proof or anything else. It’s a view that basically says that Putin bluffed the US/West and sent them running for cover on this.
https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/598748-team-biden-worlds-worst-poker-pla
I believe Russia will get what it wants with Ukraine, but at a higher cost than was ever envisaged by Putin.
War crimes? That will go away as soon as peace is declared.
I doubt there will be regime change in Russia until he dies of natural causes. I suspect he’s used his ‘special operation’ to stamp on any internal opposition.
Yes, the west will accept the status quo, but will Russia? It will I think continue to agitate countries like Moldova and the Baltics from within and return to using economics rather than T72s for now.
The lesson for Russia, aside from addressing its military shortcomings, is the timid response of Western Europe, partly because of its economic dependence on Russia’s natural resources and partly because it gambled on economic unity with Russia over defending itself - particularly the main player, Germany. Because of cheap energy/Nord2 etc I think Germany will forget what was said in the heat of the moment and revert to its old policy because it’s in their economic interest to do so.
In terms of the future, I think things will return to normal pretty quickly. It’s what most countries want including this one. Let’s face it, does anyone seriously think Johnson and his mates don’t yearn for the day when they can again get their grubby hands on more Oligarch/Kleptocrat money?
In my view, only countries like Poland, Czecho, Baltics will be worried, but whether that translates into them upping their own defence capability remains to be seen. [Post edited 19 Mar 2022 8:08]
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| How does this end for Putin? on 08:07 - Mar 19 with 1665 views | ZXBlue |
| How does this end for Putin? on 07:59 - Mar 19 by Churchman |
There was never going to be a nuclear war. Russia stood to gain nothing with it. The link here isn’t evidence, proof or anything else. It’s a view that basically says that Putin bluffed the US/West and sent them running for cover on this.
https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/598748-team-biden-worlds-worst-poker-pla
I believe Russia will get what it wants with Ukraine, but at a higher cost than was ever envisaged by Putin.
War crimes? That will go away as soon as peace is declared.
I doubt there will be regime change in Russia until he dies of natural causes. I suspect he’s used his ‘special operation’ to stamp on any internal opposition.
Yes, the west will accept the status quo, but will Russia? It will I think continue to agitate countries like Moldova and the Baltics from within and return to using economics rather than T72s for now.
The lesson for Russia, aside from addressing its military shortcomings, is the timid response of Western Europe, partly because of its economic dependence on Russia’s natural resources and partly because it gambled on economic unity with Russia over defending itself - particularly the main player, Germany. Because of cheap energy/Nord2 etc I think Germany will forget what was said in the heat of the moment and revert to its old policy because it’s in their economic interest to do so.
In terms of the future, I think things will return to normal pretty quickly. It’s what most countries want including this one. Let’s face it, does anyone seriously think Johnson and his mates don’t yearn for the day when they can again get their grubby hands on more Oligarch/Kleptocrat money?
In my view, only countries like Poland, Czecho, Baltics will be worried, but whether that translates into them upping their own defence capability remains to be seen. [Post edited 19 Mar 2022 8:08]
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There still could be a nuclear strike or two. If backed into a corner Putin loses little by it. Nato will not start MAD over a small scale tac nuke. |  | | |
| How does this end for Putin? on 08:12 - Mar 19 with 1648 views | Churchman |
| How does this end for Putin? on 08:07 - Mar 19 by ZXBlue |
There still could be a nuclear strike or two. If backed into a corner Putin loses little by it. Nato will not start MAD over a small scale tac nuke. |
He won’t do it if it alienates China, which it might. There’s nothing to be gained for him. Putin has already proved the west won’t use nuclear weapons so that ‘battle’ has be won. He doesn’t need to prove it. | | | |
| How does this end for Putin? on 08:24 - Mar 19 with 1617 views | EdwardStone |
Short term.... Putin departs in a wooden box having been topped by one of his security detail....same same Indira Gandhi. New regime in the Kremlin, similar but softer. Ceasefire in Ukraine.
Medium term....All nations further progress their efforts to wean themselves off fossil fuels thus reducing Russian leverage
Long term....Russia decides to stop playing the hard-done -by victim and discovers that the World is a far happier place if we all play nicely |  | | |
| How does this end for Putin? on 09:09 - Mar 19 with 1539 views | Radlett_blue |
| How does this end for Putin? on 07:59 - Mar 19 by Churchman |
There was never going to be a nuclear war. Russia stood to gain nothing with it. The link here isn’t evidence, proof or anything else. It’s a view that basically says that Putin bluffed the US/West and sent them running for cover on this.
https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/598748-team-biden-worlds-worst-poker-pla
I believe Russia will get what it wants with Ukraine, but at a higher cost than was ever envisaged by Putin.
War crimes? That will go away as soon as peace is declared.
I doubt there will be regime change in Russia until he dies of natural causes. I suspect he’s used his ‘special operation’ to stamp on any internal opposition.
Yes, the west will accept the status quo, but will Russia? It will I think continue to agitate countries like Moldova and the Baltics from within and return to using economics rather than T72s for now.
The lesson for Russia, aside from addressing its military shortcomings, is the timid response of Western Europe, partly because of its economic dependence on Russia’s natural resources and partly because it gambled on economic unity with Russia over defending itself - particularly the main player, Germany. Because of cheap energy/Nord2 etc I think Germany will forget what was said in the heat of the moment and revert to its old policy because it’s in their economic interest to do so.
In terms of the future, I think things will return to normal pretty quickly. It’s what most countries want including this one. Let’s face it, does anyone seriously think Johnson and his mates don’t yearn for the day when they can again get their grubby hands on more Oligarch/Kleptocrat money?
In my view, only countries like Poland, Czecho, Baltics will be worried, but whether that translates into them upping their own defence capability remains to be seen. [Post edited 19 Mar 2022 8:08]
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It will be interesting to see if the West wants to trade again with Russia after the war ends, or whether it remains a pariah. Russia is way more integrated with the global economy than in the Communist days. I guess the West won't want to rush back, but Europe needs Russian gas. This has illustrated the risk of relying on dubious trading partners for energy & sane politicians will be having a serious re-think about "green" energy policies. |  |
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| How does this end for Putin? on 09:13 - Mar 19 with 1529 views | lowhouseblue |
welcome to cold war mark 2. |  |
| And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show |
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| How does this end for Putin? on 09:38 - Mar 19 with 1458 views | Mookamoo |
Ceasefire called in about 4 weeks once Russia has taken Odesa. Donetsk and Luhansk will be offered the 'democratic' option to become part of Russia and the border is redrawn - perhaps even including a larger chunk of Easten Ukraine to link up with Crimea
Ukraine then signs a treaty declaring neutrality and independence from both Russia and NATO.
Putin will agree to step aside under pressure from his own people and have the chance to name his successor, but not for a couple of years. |  | | |
| How does this end for Putin? on 09:43 - Mar 19 with 1439 views | ZXBlue |
| How does this end for Putin? on 09:38 - Mar 19 by Mookamoo |
Ceasefire called in about 4 weeks once Russia has taken Odesa. Donetsk and Luhansk will be offered the 'democratic' option to become part of Russia and the border is redrawn - perhaps even including a larger chunk of Easten Ukraine to link up with Crimea
Ukraine then signs a treaty declaring neutrality and independence from both Russia and NATO.
Putin will agree to step aside under pressure from his own people and have the chance to name his successor, but not for a couple of years. |
Putin wont go. | | | |
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| How does this end for Putin? on 09:43 - Mar 19 with 1435 views | Churchman |
| How does this end for Putin? on 09:09 - Mar 19 by Radlett_blue |
It will be interesting to see if the West wants to trade again with Russia after the war ends, or whether it remains a pariah. Russia is way more integrated with the global economy than in the Communist days. I guess the West won't want to rush back, but Europe needs Russian gas. This has illustrated the risk of relying on dubious trading partners for energy & sane politicians will be having a serious re-think about "green" energy policies. |
The countries that need to such as the adjacent countries, Italy, Germany, France, U.K. will be falling over themselves to trade with him. I’d lay money that much of Macron’s chats with Putin were about getting back to normal and we all know what the tories are like. They’ve got form. As long as they get their envelopes, they won’t care.
For America, as long as the problem is in Europe, great. All it means to them is more arms sales. China: quiet life so it can continue to make money dumping its stuff all over the world. | | | |
| How does this end for Putin? on 09:48 - Mar 19 with 1414 views | Lord_Lucan |
| How does this end for Putin? on 09:38 - Mar 19 by Mookamoo |
Ceasefire called in about 4 weeks once Russia has taken Odesa. Donetsk and Luhansk will be offered the 'democratic' option to become part of Russia and the border is redrawn - perhaps even including a larger chunk of Easten Ukraine to link up with Crimea
Ukraine then signs a treaty declaring neutrality and independence from both Russia and NATO.
Putin will agree to step aside under pressure from his own people and have the chance to name his successor, but not for a couple of years. |
It's gonna be Alardyce isn't it. |  |
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| How does this end for Putin? on 09:50 - Mar 19 with 1410 views | ElephantintheRoom |
Going by the scenes of jubilation at that rally I’d say he must get win his next election by a landslide without cheating - a bit like Thatcher before him.
And the world will be a happy place for arms dealers for a few years
Doubt anyone will be too fussed about zero emissions either | |
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| How does this end for Putin? on 10:02 - Mar 19 with 1379 views | gtsb1966 |
Hopefully he dies a horrible painful death. A prolonged painful death so he suffers for days and it happens very soon. |  | | |
| How does this end for Putin? on 10:03 - Mar 19 with 1371 views | ZXBlue |
| How does this end for Putin? on 09:50 - Mar 19 by ElephantintheRoom |
Going by the scenes of jubilation at that rally I’d say he must get win his next election by a landslide without cheating - a bit like Thatcher before him.
And the world will be a happy place for arms dealers for a few years
Doubt anyone will be too fussed about zero emissions either |
The usual inane trolling from EIR. Not the right subject for this edgelord BS tbh,. | | | |
| How does this end for Putin? on 10:10 - Mar 19 with 1345 views | Churchman |
| How does this end for Putin? on 09:48 - Mar 19 by Lord_Lucan |
It's gonna be Alardyce isn't it. |
Nah, it’ll be Comrade Vladimir Warnock. | | | |
| How does this end for Putin? on 10:24 - Mar 19 with 1312 views | Mookamoo |
| How does this end for Putin? on 09:48 - Mar 19 by Lord_Lucan |
It's gonna be Alardyce isn't it. |
David Moyes with Putin sitting in the background tutting. | | | |
| How does this end for Putin? on 10:30 - Mar 19 with 1300 views | Mookamoo |
| How does this end for Putin? on 09:43 - Mar 19 by ZXBlue |
Putin wont go. |
He will, provided we allow him to come out of this with his legacy moments of Crimea, East Ukraine and the pacification of NATO.
They'll go back to disrupting Ukrainian politics and developing pro-Russian local influence in positions of imprtance.
If that doesn't work, we'll do it all again in 20 years. Kyiv is too important to Russians. | | | |
| How does this end for Putin? on 10:44 - Mar 19 with 1276 views | ZXBlue |
| How does this end for Putin? on 10:30 - Mar 19 by Mookamoo |
He will, provided we allow him to come out of this with his legacy moments of Crimea, East Ukraine and the pacification of NATO.
They'll go back to disrupting Ukrainian politics and developing pro-Russian local influence in positions of imprtance.
If that doesn't work, we'll do it all again in 20 years. Kyiv is too important to Russians. |
Why would he? Dictators dont volunteer to go | | | |
| How does this end for Putin? on 10:49 - Mar 19 with 1268 views | Lord_Lucan |
| How does this end for Putin? on 10:44 - Mar 19 by ZXBlue |
Why would he? Dictators dont volunteer to go |
Russia does tend to have a habit of toppling their own dictators, whether it be marching them out of The Kremlin or to the Gulag
Of course the real problem is that even if he was disposed there is no guarantee we would get anyone better.
It comes to something when you long for Boris Yeltsin to come back, although I have a hunch that a Boris / Boris dream team may send TW4TD over the edge. | |
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| How does this end for Putin? on 12:50 - Mar 19 with 1041 views | Trequartista |
No-one has any idea, that's what is frightening. |  |
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| How does this end for Putin? on 23:41 - Mar 19 with 805 views | Skip_Intro |
In a wooden overcoat hopefully... |  | | |
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