| Bristol City fan's negative obsession with Ashton continues (incorrectly) 10:40 - Jun 11 with 4654 views | unstableblue |
Whilst I do have a few misgivings about Ashtons style / history, and I was concerned on the 99% derision from Bristol fans when he arrived - he has been what Ipswich needed, having been bereft of any CEO or leadership bar the hapless Clegg and Milne, and lite touch Marcus. There has been progress on and off the pitch. With stadia, match day and manager seeming to be on track.
Having said all that, this is the key season, Ashton has put in a very promising manager, funded him, and we’re playing some of the best football since Royle and in part Magilton. Which the insane attendances prove. But it’s League One, and we need to get out, and we need to see benefit from the plethora of football analyst, performance - Rolls and Probert need to earn their corn.
BUT, it does fascinate just how much the Bristol City fans hold a grudge to Ashton, see below their forum on signing their new defender from Forest Green, Kane Wilson (one of their best players, and EFL team of year). Ashton is in a very very different set-up with the football savvy Chairman, ownership group, intelligent/upcoming manager.
Also the below is incorrect as I can’t remember Ashton being visible in any of our recent signings?!
“Just be thankful the only interviews we’re hearing are from the players and not w@nky sound bites from a jumped up CEO.
--- Ain’t that the truth. Each signing so far has been about the player. How it should be. Pearson, Gould and whoever else is involved, know it’s not about them, and / or aren’t insecure enough to need to make it about them. Refreshing" |  |
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| Bristol City fan's negative obsession with Ashton continues (incorrectly) on 10:41 - Jun 11 with 3933 views | BlueBadger |
I think it says a lot that the worst thing they can find to moan about is his admittedly tiresome use of 'inspirational' management speech. |  |
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| Bristol City fan's negative obsession with Ashton continues (incorrectly) on 10:49 - Jun 11 with 3859 views | unstableblue |
| Bristol City fan's negative obsession with Ashton continues (incorrectly) on 10:41 - Jun 11 by BlueBadger |
I think it says a lot that the worst thing they can find to moan about is his admittedly tiresome use of 'inspirational' management speech. |
Yup, that’s pretty central to their view of him, and I think we all find it a little trying at times, but compared to Clegg, Milne and invisible Marcus it’s a breath of fresh air.
To give Bristol City fans some credit if you have David Brent mannerisms (he really isn’t that bad) and a failing team and massive injury list, and questions player and managerial acquisition, it’s going to be pretty annoying.
But the continual obsession is weird. Man I would love an automatic promotion this season. | |
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| Bristol City fan's negative obsession with Ashton continues (incorrectly) on 10:54 - Jun 11 with 3838 views | MattinLondon |
Bristol City have always been a total and utter irrelevance but under MA direction (obviously not all down to him) they seemed to become a sort of championship force and improved their stadium quite considerably- so I’m not sure why he gets a hard deal from them. Maybe in time, we will tune into their way of thinking but hopefully that won’t happen.
Football fans can be strange. There’s some on here who still think that we shouldn’t say horrible things to Marcus Evans and that we shouldn’t even be unkind to him. The fact that under his inept direction we have became less of a irrelevance than Bristol City sums him up.
To date, I’m been impressed with MA. Hope it continues. |  | | |
| Bristol City fan's negative obsession with Ashton continues (incorrectly) on 10:58 - Jun 11 with 3806 views | J2BLUE |
Why keep giving them any attention? If we lost a CEO to a club who were currently a division lower we'd be claiming it was no big loss as well.
Bristol City are a jumped up nothing club. Let's forget they exist until we beat them. |  |
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| Bristol City fan's negative obsession with Ashton continues (incorrectly) on 11:02 - Jun 11 with 3793 views | Simonds92 |
"we’re playing some of the best football since Royle and in part Magilton."
Absolutely no chance its anywhere near that. We play in a league that is effectively 2 leagues with the bottom half being absolutely dreadful. We've looked much of a muchness against the top half. |  | | |
| Bristol City fan's negative obsession with Ashton continues (incorrectly) on 11:09 - Jun 11 with 3729 views | FrimleyBlue |
Thing is they've had a few years of him. We've had less and yes some things look great. But so far we've failed to get promoted and possibly look like having to get rid of players we only signed last summer already, having already sold fraser a few months after getting him. So whilst there are plenty of positives and there are many. On the footballing aspect which let's be honest is the most important.. he hasn't achieved anything yet. |  |
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| Bristol City fan's negative obsession with Ashton continues (incorrectly) on 11:15 - Jun 11 with 3708 views | J2BLUE |
| Bristol City fan's negative obsession with Ashton continues (incorrectly) on 11:09 - Jun 11 by FrimleyBlue |
Thing is they've had a few years of him. We've had less and yes some things look great. But so far we've failed to get promoted and possibly look like having to get rid of players we only signed last summer already, having already sold fraser a few months after getting him. So whilst there are plenty of positives and there are many. On the footballing aspect which let's be honest is the most important.. he hasn't achieved anything yet. |
Another one who loves a negative spin. You had to reach deep for that.
Cook cost us promotion. Ashton didn't appoint him.
Fraser just didn't have an impact and didn't want to be here.
Who else is it looking like we will have to sell that we would want to keep? | |
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| Bristol City fan's negative obsession with Ashton continues (incorrectly) on 11:23 - Jun 11 with 3665 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Bristol City fan's negative obsession with Ashton continues (incorrectly) on 11:15 - Jun 11 by J2BLUE |
Another one who loves a negative spin. You had to reach deep for that.
Cook cost us promotion. Ashton didn't appoint him.
Fraser just didn't have an impact and didn't want to be here.
Who else is it looking like we will have to sell that we would want to keep? |
Who said anything about wanting to keep. One of the BC fans biggest frustrations was the large turnaround of players in and out of the BC soon after signing them..
The OP is about BC fans thoughts. So yes my reply was about it and why at present we aren't in a position to say he's the best ever as there are a mixture of positives and negatives. It's not a negative spin, t's entirely factual to say there are plenty of positives so far whilst being aware that on the football side of things there isn't an achievement ad yet.
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Cook cost us promotion. Ashton didn't appoint him"
No. But remember when you and others said PC had too long bang on the season before. So 'maybe' Ashton should have got rid in the summer? Obviously it's all hindsight etc. But that's football and that's what he gets paid to oversee not us.
I like Ashton. I spent many days when he was announced sharing links to natural stories about him to the forum to get away from all the negative BC posts. So maybe remember them before you say I'm just looking for the negative spin. | |
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| Bristol City fan's negative obsession with Ashton continues (incorrectly) on 11:33 - Jun 11 with 3622 views | J2BLUE |
| Bristol City fan's negative obsession with Ashton continues (incorrectly) on 11:23 - Jun 11 by FrimleyBlue |
Who said anything about wanting to keep. One of the BC fans biggest frustrations was the large turnaround of players in and out of the BC soon after signing them..
The OP is about BC fans thoughts. So yes my reply was about it and why at present we aren't in a position to say he's the best ever as there are a mixture of positives and negatives. It's not a negative spin, t's entirely factual to say there are plenty of positives so far whilst being aware that on the football side of things there isn't an achievement ad yet.
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Cook cost us promotion. Ashton didn't appoint him"
No. But remember when you and others said PC had too long bang on the season before. So 'maybe' Ashton should have got rid in the summer? Obviously it's all hindsight etc. But that's football and that's what he gets paid to oversee not us.
I like Ashton. I spent many days when he was announced sharing links to natural stories about him to the forum to get away from all the negative BC posts. So maybe remember them before you say I'm just looking for the negative spin. |
If we don't want to keep them then it's irrelevant. Players Cook may have wanted may not be wanted by McKenna. If anything this just disproves the Ashton signs the players he wants BS that some people were all too keen to jump on.
Never claimed he was the best ever. To my knowledge though, the thread I made ages ago asking for one thing he had got wrong still hasn't had a reasonable answer.
You were Cook's biggest cheerleader for a good amount of time. Like you say, all hindsight. | |
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| Bristol City fan's negative obsession with Ashton continues (incorrectly) on 11:34 - Jun 11 with 3626 views | Churchman |
| Bristol City fan's negative obsession with Ashton continues (incorrectly) on 11:09 - Jun 11 by FrimleyBlue |
Thing is they've had a few years of him. We've had less and yes some things look great. But so far we've failed to get promoted and possibly look like having to get rid of players we only signed last summer already, having already sold fraser a few months after getting him. So whilst there are plenty of positives and there are many. On the footballing aspect which let's be honest is the most important.. he hasn't achieved anything yet. |
He hasn’t achieved anything yet on the field of play because he inherited a fathead of a manager and the season was done before it started. Besides, he doesn’t manage the team. If McKenna fails, as the man who appointed him, he will have failed too. As for moving players on, if you sign the number we did, some are bound not to work out. If it applied to Alex Ferguson’s mob - and it did - it will to us too. It’s the nature of the game.
Off the field, I think he has achieved a lot. There is structure in the club, at least some work is being done on the ground beyond a tin of cheap paint, the training ground and acquisition of a parcel of land. The engagement with supporters is much improved and ITFC feels like a proper club again, instead of a rich man’s tax offset.
It all feels so much better than lies and decay of Evans’ disastrous tenure. Yes, it could have been worse. But not by much. Personally I wouldn’t hose the man down if he was on fire.
If I ever met Ashton, there are a few questions I’d ask of him, not least around the timing of kicking out Cook, mass signings and the future of yoof football. Yes he’s got things wrong. People who do stuff will make mistakes. But I think he has done a good job in difficult circumstances to date.
Bristol City? They might think they’re ‘Premier League in waiting’. I think they are tinpot punching above their weight. I thought that when I first went to Ashton Gate in the late 70s and I’ve not changed my mind. Bristol Rovers supporters are great, not least because there is no sense of entitlement. They are the real football club of Bristol for me. Brilliant kit too. |  | | |
| Bristol City fan's negative obsession with Ashton continues (incorrectly) on 11:39 - Jun 11 with 3579 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Bristol City fan's negative obsession with Ashton continues (incorrectly) on 11:33 - Jun 11 by J2BLUE |
If we don't want to keep them then it's irrelevant. Players Cook may have wanted may not be wanted by McKenna. If anything this just disproves the Ashton signs the players he wants BS that some people were all too keen to jump on.
Never claimed he was the best ever. To my knowledge though, the thread I made ages ago asking for one thing he had got wrong still hasn't had a reasonable answer.
You were Cook's biggest cheerleader for a good amount of time. Like you say, all hindsight. |
I don't personally care what goes on as long as it leads to promotion. But it's why some BC fans have their feelings.
In regards to what has he done which is wrong. It's difficult to answer without you saying its a negative spin. But was he wrong for sticking with PC? To some yes. Doesn't matter what my thoughts were I'm just a supporter. But was he wrong with sticking with him? Depending on your view on that it's either a correct or wrong decision. | |
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| Bristol City fan's negative obsession with Ashton continues (incorrectly) on 11:41 - Jun 11 with 3576 views | solemio |
| Bristol City fan's negative obsession with Ashton continues (incorrectly) on 11:34 - Jun 11 by Churchman |
He hasn’t achieved anything yet on the field of play because he inherited a fathead of a manager and the season was done before it started. Besides, he doesn’t manage the team. If McKenna fails, as the man who appointed him, he will have failed too. As for moving players on, if you sign the number we did, some are bound not to work out. If it applied to Alex Ferguson’s mob - and it did - it will to us too. It’s the nature of the game.
Off the field, I think he has achieved a lot. There is structure in the club, at least some work is being done on the ground beyond a tin of cheap paint, the training ground and acquisition of a parcel of land. The engagement with supporters is much improved and ITFC feels like a proper club again, instead of a rich man’s tax offset.
It all feels so much better than lies and decay of Evans’ disastrous tenure. Yes, it could have been worse. But not by much. Personally I wouldn’t hose the man down if he was on fire.
If I ever met Ashton, there are a few questions I’d ask of him, not least around the timing of kicking out Cook, mass signings and the future of yoof football. Yes he’s got things wrong. People who do stuff will make mistakes. But I think he has done a good job in difficult circumstances to date.
Bristol City? They might think they’re ‘Premier League in waiting’. I think they are tinpot punching above their weight. I thought that when I first went to Ashton Gate in the late 70s and I’ve not changed my mind. Bristol Rovers supporters are great, not least because there is no sense of entitlement. They are the real football club of Bristol for me. Brilliant kit too. |
Sooper Dooper, Churchman. | | | |
| Bristol City fan's negative obsession with Ashton continues (incorrectly) on 12:05 - Jun 11 with 3494 views | Illinoisblue |
| Bristol City fan's negative obsession with Ashton continues (incorrectly) on 11:02 - Jun 11 by Simonds92 |
"we’re playing some of the best football since Royle and in part Magilton."
Absolutely no chance its anywhere near that. We play in a league that is effectively 2 leagues with the bottom half being absolutely dreadful. We've looked much of a muchness against the top half. |
There is a lot of truth in this. Recall when we beat an awful Gillingham away and fans smugly talking about McKennaball and why did Utd let him go. Yet there we were failing in L1 again, not even sniffing the playoffs again.
Much work to do |  |
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| Bristol City fan's negative obsession with Ashton continues (incorrectly) on 12:28 - Jun 11 with 3375 views | BlueBadger |
| Bristol City fan's negative obsession with Ashton continues (incorrectly) on 10:58 - Jun 11 by J2BLUE |
Why keep giving them any attention? If we lost a CEO to a club who were currently a division lower we'd be claiming it was no big loss as well.
Bristol City are a jumped up nothing club. Let's forget they exist until we beat them. |
They're a West Country Reading aren't they? No history, no trophies, and their peak for achievements is finishing in the top half of the second division. [Post edited 11 Jun 2022 13:42]
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| Bristol City fan's negative obsession with Ashton continues (incorrectly) on 12:48 - Jun 11 with 3326 views | Bluedandy |
Only promotion from the third division will suffice this season. Ashton knows that.
Astonishing that despite our lowest league finish since the early 1950s we averaged not far off 22K (more than most Championship clubs including Bristol City), also significantly higher than McCarthy's play off season.
So amid all the David Brent hyperbole Ashton and his team should be congratulated on creating so much positivity around Portman Road.
After the misery of the Evans era it's great to hear Ashton talk up the club's huge potential.
But please no more excruciating laps of the pitch when we beat the likes of Lincoln 1-0 ... save that for the season finale when we go up as champions. [Post edited 11 Jun 2022 12:52]
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| Bristol City fan's negative obsession with Ashton continues (incorrectly) on 13:00 - Jun 11 with 3234 views | Illinoisblue |
| Bristol City fan's negative obsession with Ashton continues (incorrectly) on 10:41 - Jun 11 by BlueBadger |
I think it says a lot that the worst thing they can find to moan about is his admittedly tiresome use of 'inspirational' management speech. |
He is a bit Brent at times. But that probably comes with drive, ambition and energy. Rather have that than a clueless Milne or Clegg faffing around while Evans treated us to a video address to the plebs every few years.
We actually resemble a professional football club now so there’s that. | |
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| Bristol City fan's negative obsession with Ashton continues (incorrectly) on 13:07 - Jun 11 with 3194 views | Veggie |
The funny thing is that they are relying on Nigel Pearson to be their saviour |  | | |
| Bristol City fan's negative obsession with Ashton continues (incorrectly) on 13:14 - Jun 11 with 3153 views | Churchman |
| Bristol City fan's negative obsession with Ashton continues (incorrectly) on 13:07 - Jun 11 by Veggie |
The funny thing is that they are relying on Nigel Pearson to be their saviour |
Not really saviour. His job surely is to maintain them where they are - at the top end of their potential. Personally, I think that whoever appointed Pearson did a great job as he’s a bit too good for them. | | | |
| Bristol City fan's negative obsession with Ashton continues (incorrectly) on 13:14 - Jun 11 with 3153 views | BiGDonnie |
| Bristol City fan's negative obsession with Ashton continues (incorrectly) on 11:09 - Jun 11 by FrimleyBlue |
Thing is they've had a few years of him. We've had less and yes some things look great. But so far we've failed to get promoted and possibly look like having to get rid of players we only signed last summer already, having already sold fraser a few months after getting him. So whilst there are plenty of positives and there are many. On the footballing aspect which let's be honest is the most important.. he hasn't achieved anything yet. |
Trust this absolute weapon to get involved in this one. You're boring and no one here gives a fook about your thick thoughts towards ITFC. |  |
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| Bristol City fan's negative obsession with Ashton continues (incorrectly) on 13:16 - Jun 11 with 3129 views | BiGDonnie |
| Bristol City fan's negative obsession with Ashton continues (incorrectly) on 11:39 - Jun 11 by FrimleyBlue |
I don't personally care what goes on as long as it leads to promotion. But it's why some BC fans have their feelings.
In regards to what has he done which is wrong. It's difficult to answer without you saying its a negative spin. But was he wrong for sticking with PC? To some yes. Doesn't matter what my thoughts were I'm just a supporter. But was he wrong with sticking with him? Depending on your view on that it's either a correct or wrong decision. |
You don't know the meaning of the word 'support' son. | |
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| Bristol City fan's negative obsession with Ashton continues (incorrectly) on 13:38 - Jun 11 with 3036 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Bristol City fan's negative obsession with Ashton continues (incorrectly) on 13:14 - Jun 11 by BiGDonnie |
Trust this absolute weapon to get involved in this one. You're boring and no one here gives a fook about your thick thoughts towards ITFC. |
Still struggling with the concept of an online forum then Donnie. You'll get there. Have a good afternoon. | |
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| Bristol City fan's negative obsession with Ashton continues (incorrectly) on 13:55 - Jun 11 with 2979 views | ParisBlue |
| Bristol City fan's negative obsession with Ashton continues (incorrectly) on 11:34 - Jun 11 by Churchman |
He hasn’t achieved anything yet on the field of play because he inherited a fathead of a manager and the season was done before it started. Besides, he doesn’t manage the team. If McKenna fails, as the man who appointed him, he will have failed too. As for moving players on, if you sign the number we did, some are bound not to work out. If it applied to Alex Ferguson’s mob - and it did - it will to us too. It’s the nature of the game.
Off the field, I think he has achieved a lot. There is structure in the club, at least some work is being done on the ground beyond a tin of cheap paint, the training ground and acquisition of a parcel of land. The engagement with supporters is much improved and ITFC feels like a proper club again, instead of a rich man’s tax offset.
It all feels so much better than lies and decay of Evans’ disastrous tenure. Yes, it could have been worse. But not by much. Personally I wouldn’t hose the man down if he was on fire.
If I ever met Ashton, there are a few questions I’d ask of him, not least around the timing of kicking out Cook, mass signings and the future of yoof football. Yes he’s got things wrong. People who do stuff will make mistakes. But I think he has done a good job in difficult circumstances to date.
Bristol City? They might think they’re ‘Premier League in waiting’. I think they are tinpot punching above their weight. I thought that when I first went to Ashton Gate in the late 70s and I’ve not changed my mind. Bristol Rovers supporters are great, not least because there is no sense of entitlement. They are the real football club of Bristol for me. Brilliant kit too. |
I think Bristol City fans are critical of the debt they find themselves in, maybe rightly so. But they're they're based in the 7th biggest city in the country, average lower attendances then we do and historically have done very little. He left them with an infrastructure, but it's hard to build a fanbase.
Bristol isn't a football place. Ipswich is. I think MA gets that. I think he sees the potential, he understands the history, but it's a failure if we don't get promotion this year. The only excuse might be if KMc were to get poached at some point, but even then given our budget we should cope.
This is 'Year 2' of the project. It generally takes 2 years to do something significant.
Start well, build some momenum and we should be OK. |  |
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| Bristol City fan's negative obsession with Ashton continues (incorrectly) on 14:26 - Jun 11 with 2874 views | unstableblue |
| Bristol City fan's negative obsession with Ashton continues (incorrectly) on 12:05 - Jun 11 by Illinoisblue |
There is a lot of truth in this. Recall when we beat an awful Gillingham away and fans smugly talking about McKennaball and why did Utd let him go. Yet there we were failing in L1 again, not even sniffing the playoffs again.
Much work to do |
The Gillingham game was probably negative (despite it being a joy to watch and be there!), it made us get way to confident in how far we’d come, and it made us think we didn’t need a striker! We needed to buy a striker.
Gillingham were so poor, that rightly we played magificent football that looked as good as the Royle/Magilton days.
BUT - Lincoln at home, MK Dons away, Plymouth at home and especially Wigan at home, against a strong team where we upped our tempo and attacking zeal…. They were really convincing displays
We just needed a better striker and left wing back, and Evans to stay fit and I think the play offs were on.
But you’re right that, in reality McKenna has yet to succeed and the start of the season is going to be crucial. | |
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| Bristol City fan's negative obsession with Ashton continues (incorrectly) on 14:45 - Jun 11 with 2800 views | tractorboy1978 |
| Bristol City fan's negative obsession with Ashton continues (incorrectly) on 14:26 - Jun 11 by unstableblue |
The Gillingham game was probably negative (despite it being a joy to watch and be there!), it made us get way to confident in how far we’d come, and it made us think we didn’t need a striker! We needed to buy a striker.
Gillingham were so poor, that rightly we played magificent football that looked as good as the Royle/Magilton days.
BUT - Lincoln at home, MK Dons away, Plymouth at home and especially Wigan at home, against a strong team where we upped our tempo and attacking zeal…. They were really convincing displays
We just needed a better striker and left wing back, and Evans to stay fit and I think the play offs were on.
But you’re right that, in reality McKenna has yet to succeed and the start of the season is going to be crucial. |
The play offs were never on. We'd have needed 55 points from 23 games when McKenna came in, i.e a 110 point season.
Anyone saying a negative word about McKenna right now needs to give their head a wobble. | | | |
| Bristol City fan's negative obsession with Ashton continues (incorrectly) on 15:34 - Jun 11 with 2672 views | Millsey |
By heck some of you on here like to moan about nothing😉 |  | | |
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