| Can we afford Celina AND Hirst? 09:50 - Jul 26 with 4255 views | iamipswich |
Do we need them? I feel the consensus on here is that if you could choose one, it would be Hirst.
I still feel that we also need an additional attacking midfielder behind the strikers unless Edwards can play there but it looks as though he's being touted as another RWB option behind Burns. |  |
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| Can we afford Celina AND Hirst? on 10:18 - Jul 26 with 3075 views | Garv |
I think we need Celina to be honest, without wanting to sound like I'm just joining in the obsession around him. I don't see a scenario where he doesn't improve on his output last season.
Probably need Hirst too, but I do think some are underappreciating Ladapo. |  |
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| Can we afford Celina AND Hirst? on 10:34 - Jul 26 with 2992 views | BlueBlood90 |
I think we still need a Celina type. Chaplin, Harness, Aluko, John-Jules etc all offer very good qualities but I don't think any of them have the star factor that Celina has on his day. Celina seems a more natural no.10 creative type.
Likewise Ladapo and Jackson are both more than decent enough but they are still yet to prove that they can be the ones to score 20+ in a season. |  |
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| Can we afford Celina AND Hirst? on 10:39 - Jul 26 with 2963 views | Mediocre_Quick |
We can afford them yes, BUT, it's a matter of is it financially viable in terms of FFP and the financial regs of the league we're in,
So in terms of Monetary value, yes, in terms of FInancial Viability, it's one or the other, unless we move on enough players (Penney, El Miz etc).
If we move on players for the right fees, then yes, we can viably afford both |  | | |
| Can we afford Celina AND Hirst? on 10:45 - Jul 26 with 2932 views | Skip_Intro |
| Can we afford Celina AND Hirst? on 10:39 - Jul 26 by Mediocre_Quick |
We can afford them yes, BUT, it's a matter of is it financially viable in terms of FFP and the financial regs of the league we're in,
So in terms of Monetary value, yes, in terms of FInancial Viability, it's one or the other, unless we move on enough players (Penney, El Miz etc).
If we move on players for the right fees, then yes, we can viably afford both |
FFP doesnt apply to League One - instead we have Salary Cost Management Protocol (SMCP). This effectively means that the owners can simply inject cash if they want to offset wage costs.
Not saying that this is a wise move or will happen, but FFP isn't relevant here. |  | | |
| Can we afford Celina AND Hirst? on 10:48 - Jul 26 with 2904 views | BiGDonnie |
Yes, yes we can. |  |
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| Can we afford Celina AND Hirst? on 10:50 - Jul 26 with 2894 views | Mediocre_Quick |
| Can we afford Celina AND Hirst? on 10:45 - Jul 26 by Skip_Intro |
FFP doesnt apply to League One - instead we have Salary Cost Management Protocol (SMCP). This effectively means that the owners can simply inject cash if they want to offset wage costs.
Not saying that this is a wise move or will happen, but FFP isn't relevant here. |
The SMCP is under FFP,
But my point still stands… We can afford them, but under the regs, it’s not currently financially viable for us to get both [Post edited 26 Jul 2022 10:50]
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| Can we afford Celina AND Hirst? on 10:53 - Jul 26 with 2858 views | unbelievablue |
| Can we afford Celina AND Hirst? on 10:50 - Jul 26 by Mediocre_Quick |
The SMCP is under FFP,
But my point still stands… We can afford them, but under the regs, it’s not currently financially viable for us to get both [Post edited 26 Jul 2022 10:50]
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Can you explain why it isn't? |  |
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| Can we afford Celina AND Hirst? on 10:57 - Jul 26 with 2831 views | Skip_Intro |
| Can we afford Celina AND Hirst? on 10:50 - Jul 26 by Mediocre_Quick |
The SMCP is under FFP,
But my point still stands… We can afford them, but under the regs, it’s not currently financially viable for us to get both [Post edited 26 Jul 2022 10:50]
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My understanding is that SCMP is our (L1/L2) equivalent of FFP.
We can spend whatever we want on transfer fees but are restrained by salary costs vs turnover (unless the owners inject cash).
Happy to be corrected by someone who has a definitive answer! | | | |
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| Can we afford Celina AND Hirst? on 10:58 - Jul 26 with 2827 views | portmanroadblue |
If we can afford them, then yes lets go get them. Both are minimum championship quality, so would be great purchases for now and the future. |  | | |
| Can we afford Celina AND Hirst? on 11:01 - Jul 26 with 2800 views | geg1992 |
| Can we afford Celina AND Hirst? on 10:50 - Jul 26 by Mediocre_Quick |
The SMCP is under FFP,
But my point still stands… We can afford them, but under the regs, it’s not currently financially viable for us to get both [Post edited 26 Jul 2022 10:50]
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It is viable. The owners can inject cash so long as it's not a loan. Whether they will do that is another question. Ashton mentioned this in one of his interviews. |  |
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| Can we afford Celina AND Hirst? on 11:02 - Jul 26 with 2798 views | Mediocre_Quick |
| Can we afford Celina AND Hirst? on 10:57 - Jul 26 by Skip_Intro |
My understanding is that SCMP is our (L1/L2) equivalent of FFP.
We can spend whatever we want on transfer fees but are restrained by salary costs vs turnover (unless the owners inject cash).
Happy to be corrected by someone who has a definitive answer! |
Does Financial Fair Play exist in League One? The simple answer is not in name, instead clubs in League One and League Two must comply with the Salary Cost Management Protocol (SCMP) - a Financial Fair Play framework. This means limiting the amount a club can spent on wages as a proportion of turnover.
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| Can we afford Celina AND Hirst? on 11:07 - Jul 26 with 2665 views | Mediocre_Quick |
| Can we afford Celina AND Hirst? on 11:01 - Jul 26 by geg1992 |
It is viable. The owners can inject cash so long as it's not a loan. Whether they will do that is another question. Ashton mentioned this in one of his interviews. |
Your point contradicts itself,
If the owners have to inject the cash into the club to sign 2 players, it's not currently financially viable for us to complete both deals | | | |
| Can we afford Celina AND Hirst? on 11:09 - Jul 26 with 2650 views | Mediocre_Quick |
| Can we afford Celina AND Hirst? on 10:53 - Jul 26 by unbelievablue |
Can you explain why it isn't? |
Yes, due to the current regulations, and with Ashtons comments on the wage budget, I would assume, it's not viable for both, especially as Celina will be on a vastly higher wage than Hirst,
The layout for fees is viable, but the wages side of things, won't be | | | |
| Can we afford Celina AND Hirst? on 11:17 - Jul 26 with 2598 views | DMDC |
We need some goals in the team, l cant see them as it stands. Im on the fence with Celina, lm not sure he is worth the bother. We definitely need a striker, again is Hirst the answer ? Im not sure. Huge responsibility on the kids shoulders if it is to be him. One good half season thats it, no better than Bonne. Id like to see a more seasoned guy up top. Jerry Yates type would be ideal. |  | | |
| Can we afford Celina AND Hirst? on 11:21 - Jul 26 with 2559 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Can we afford Celina AND Hirst? on 11:09 - Jul 26 by Mediocre_Quick |
Yes, due to the current regulations, and with Ashtons comments on the wage budget, I would assume, it's not viable for both, especially as Celina will be on a vastly higher wage than Hirst,
The layout for fees is viable, but the wages side of things, won't be |
You have absolutely no idea what is viable. |  |
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| Can we afford Celina AND Hirst? on 11:23 - Jul 26 with 2548 views | unbelievablue |
| Can we afford Celina AND Hirst? on 11:09 - Jul 26 by Mediocre_Quick |
Yes, due to the current regulations, and with Ashtons comments on the wage budget, I would assume, it's not viable for both, especially as Celina will be on a vastly higher wage than Hirst,
The layout for fees is viable, but the wages side of things, won't be |
I'm afraid that doesn't really prove anything. That's conjecture. | |
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| Can we afford Celina AND Hirst? on 11:26 - Jul 26 with 2522 views | DMDC |
| Can we afford Celina AND Hirst? on 11:21 - Jul 26 by The_Flashing_Smile |
You have absolutely no idea what is viable. |
Celina simply isnt worth the money he wants chucked at him. He isnt that loyal to Town, he was prepared to go to Stoke and some tin pot Turkish club, because at the end of the day all footballers chase the money. Lets move on from him, its tiresome. | | | |
| Can we afford Celina AND Hirst? on 11:27 - Jul 26 with 2521 views | Mediocre_Quick |
| Can we afford Celina AND Hirst? on 11:21 - Jul 26 by The_Flashing_Smile |
You have absolutely no idea what is viable. |
And I suppose you do?
Leicester want £2m for Hirst
Dijon want around the same for Celina I believe,
You think those fees, coupled with the wages Celina wants (£10k+) and whatever Hirst will demand (assume 7/8k) is financially viable and financially sound to invest?
Given the clubs wage budget currently, and adding to that without moving players on, I'd say we're running pretty close to the regs already [Post edited 26 Jul 2022 11:33]
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| Can we afford Celina AND Hirst? on 11:30 - Jul 26 with 2493 views | Mediocre_Quick |
| Can we afford Celina AND Hirst? on 11:23 - Jul 26 by unbelievablue |
I'm afraid that doesn't really prove anything. That's conjecture. |
Only conjecture if you look at it that way,
I've made enough points regarding the regulations and why it's not viable to prove any point I've made,
This isn't FIFA or Football Manager, we can't just splash the cash and there be no consequences,
Unless we move players on in positions we're over stocked in, we can only bring in one or the other, Hirst is the priority, and Celina is a luxury, that yes, I'd love to see back, but right now, we don't need him | | | |
| Can we afford Celina AND Hirst? on 11:33 - Jul 26 with 2464 views | portmanking |
| Can we afford Celina AND Hirst? on 11:30 - Jul 26 by Mediocre_Quick |
Only conjecture if you look at it that way,
I've made enough points regarding the regulations and why it's not viable to prove any point I've made,
This isn't FIFA or Football Manager, we can't just splash the cash and there be no consequences,
Unless we move players on in positions we're over stocked in, we can only bring in one or the other, Hirst is the priority, and Celina is a luxury, that yes, I'd love to see back, but right now, we don't need him |
On your third sentence - we technically can with SCMP....
PROVIDING, the owners are happy to inject fresh capital to balance the books. |  | | |
| Can we afford Celina AND Hirst? on 11:36 - Jul 26 with 2441 views | unbelievablue |
| Can we afford Celina AND Hirst? on 11:30 - Jul 26 by Mediocre_Quick |
Only conjecture if you look at it that way,
I've made enough points regarding the regulations and why it's not viable to prove any point I've made,
This isn't FIFA or Football Manager, we can't just splash the cash and there be no consequences,
Unless we move players on in positions we're over stocked in, we can only bring in one or the other, Hirst is the priority, and Celina is a luxury, that yes, I'd love to see back, but right now, we don't need him |
I understand, but you haven't been specific enough for me to be confident that the regulations would restrict us to one of the other. | |
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| Can we afford Celina AND Hirst? on 11:43 - Jul 26 with 2387 views | Mediocre_Quick |
| Can we afford Celina AND Hirst? on 11:33 - Jul 26 by portmanking |
On your third sentence - we technically can with SCMP....
PROVIDING, the owners are happy to inject fresh capital to balance the books. |
Whilst I would agree, injecting £5m into the club to sign two players, would be nice,
That money also instantly disappears again, and is made up where? Shirt sales, ticket receipts?
You have to factor the long term costs, wages, travel costs, hotels, bills etc into the finances as well, whilst not related to the player, they are included in the overheads and turnover calculations
I think what people are missing, is if we have to inject cash to cover our losses on wages and fees, then the deals don't become viable for the club to do
As a football fan, yes, lets inject the cash and get the deals done, as a bookkeeper by trade, I look at the viability based on the business side of the club | | | |
| Can we afford Celina AND Hirst? on 11:55 - Jul 26 with 2301 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Can we afford Celina AND Hirst? on 11:27 - Jul 26 by Mediocre_Quick |
And I suppose you do?
Leicester want £2m for Hirst
Dijon want around the same for Celina I believe,
You think those fees, coupled with the wages Celina wants (£10k+) and whatever Hirst will demand (assume 7/8k) is financially viable and financially sound to invest?
Given the clubs wage budget currently, and adding to that without moving players on, I'd say we're running pretty close to the regs already [Post edited 26 Jul 2022 11:33]
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I'm not claiming I do though. You are.
It doesn't matter what those players cost, we have no idea what the owners are putting in.
And Phil says we're still interested in both. So I take it from that they are both viable. | |
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| Can we afford Celina AND Hirst? on 12:00 - Jul 26 with 2265 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Can we afford Celina AND Hirst? on 11:43 - Jul 26 by Mediocre_Quick |
Whilst I would agree, injecting £5m into the club to sign two players, would be nice,
That money also instantly disappears again, and is made up where? Shirt sales, ticket receipts?
You have to factor the long term costs, wages, travel costs, hotels, bills etc into the finances as well, whilst not related to the player, they are included in the overheads and turnover calculations
I think what people are missing, is if we have to inject cash to cover our losses on wages and fees, then the deals don't become viable for the club to do
As a football fan, yes, lets inject the cash and get the deals done, as a bookkeeper by trade, I look at the viability based on the business side of the club |
The owners will decide what's viable.
They'll also decide if injecting some more cash in is viable.
You can't just say injecting cash in is NOT viable and that's that. It doesn't work like that. You have no clue what the owners are prepared to risk and thus feel is viable to them. | |
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| Can we afford Celina AND Hirst? on 12:01 - Jul 26 with 2254 views | Skip_Intro |
| Can we afford Celina AND Hirst? on 11:09 - Jul 26 by Mediocre_Quick |
Yes, due to the current regulations, and with Ashtons comments on the wage budget, I would assume, it's not viable for both, especially as Celina will be on a vastly higher wage than Hirst,
The layout for fees is viable, but the wages side of things, won't be |
Ah ok...so it isn't viable based upon your assumption as opposed to facts.
Thanks that clears it up for me... | | | |
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