| Chirewa 14:31 - Oct 10 with 4922 views | Wallingford_Boy |
Just curled in a long range effort for the ressies just now, seems to score every week!
How good is this lad? Knocking on the first team door soon? |  |
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| Chirewa on 15:21 - Oct 10 with 3488 views | Weekender |
Don't know how good but if you believe the rumour he isn't going to sign a new contract and will be off at the end of the season. If that's the case can't see him near the first team. |  |
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| Chirewa on 15:26 - Oct 10 with 3457 views | Matt_Netherlands |
| Chirewa on 15:21 - Oct 10 by Weekender |
Don't know how good but if you believe the rumour he isn't going to sign a new contract and will be off at the end of the season. If that's the case can't see him near the first team. |
Must see all those minutes Simpson is getting at Huddersfield and fancy himself some of that….. |  | | |
| Chirewa on 15:43 - Oct 10 with 3349 views | Parky |
| Chirewa on 15:26 - Oct 10 by Matt_Netherlands |
Must see all those minutes Simpson is getting at Huddersfield and fancy himself some of that….. |
I mean, Simpson is injured until after the World Cup.
Might be unpopular, but is Chirewa really going to get a chance here and play ahead of: Harness, Chaplin, Aluko, TJJ, Edwards, Camara? |  | | |
| Chirewa on 17:21 - Oct 10 with 3047 views | Wallingford_Boy |
| Chirewa on 15:43 - Oct 10 by Parky |
I mean, Simpson is injured until after the World Cup.
Might be unpopular, but is Chirewa really going to get a chance here and play ahead of: Harness, Chaplin, Aluko, TJJ, Edwards, Camara? |
Maybe not straight away, but as I said "knocking on the door" towards the end of the season might be realistic if he keeps making progress. | |
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| Chirewa on 19:15 - Oct 10 with 2871 views | berkstractorboy |
In the past would worry that we would lose our young talent who could be a real find. With KMc if the talent really is there to make the step up I trust he would do the right thing by wanting to get them involved and keep them as much as is financially sensible given what some of these agents are telling young players these days.
The same fans who would moan we should be giving the boys a chance will be the same ones that are critical if we were not winning with them in the team. We can see just how hard a league this is to get out of, we really need the best we have on the pitch.
Now playing him at Cambridge next week, why not (assuming he is registered to play) | | | |
| Chirewa on 19:25 - Oct 10 with 2819 views | xrayspecs |
Seems to have done well for the U21s but not sure how close he is to the first team. I saw him pre-season at Needham Market and he looked off the pace, so may still be bridging the gap between age group and first team football.It was one game though.
KM has given a few of the U21s games in the Papa Johns, so he may get onto the bench at Cambridge next week. | | | |
| Chirewa on 19:25 - Oct 10 with 2813 views | Parky |
| Chirewa on 17:21 - Oct 10 by Wallingford_Boy |
Maybe not straight away, but as I said "knocking on the door" towards the end of the season might be realistic if he keeps making progress. |
Sadly, I just don’t see it. Given the clubs resources, I can’t see where we’d ever rely on a player of Chirewa’s ilk, we’d just sign a new player there if needed.
Maybe I’m being too negative, but he doesn’t even get into the squad in the pizza cup. | | | |
| Chirewa on 19:31 - Oct 10 with 2790 views | Hipsterectomy |
| Chirewa on 19:25 - Oct 10 by Parky |
Sadly, I just don’t see it. Given the clubs resources, I can’t see where we’d ever rely on a player of Chirewa’s ilk, we’d just sign a new player there if needed.
Maybe I’m being too negative, but he doesn’t even get into the squad in the pizza cup. |
It's a shame we dont' use more U21/youth players in the pizza cup. I think there are some strict selection rules where you can be fined if you don't adhere to them though, also we have a big squad of 1st team anyway |  |
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| Chirewa on 19:47 - Oct 10 with 2716 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Chirewa on 15:43 - Oct 10 by Parky |
I mean, Simpson is injured until after the World Cup.
Might be unpopular, but is Chirewa really going to get a chance here and play ahead of: Harness, Chaplin, Aluko, TJJ, Edwards, Camara? |
If he isn't going to get a chance ahead of those players, what makes anyone think he will get a chance ahead of other players at a Championship club? I am sure that, if he is good enough, he would get a chance here just as Woolfenden and Humphreys are. I would also expect any pathway for him here to involve a loan away at some stage. |  |
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| Chirewa on 20:03 - Oct 10 with 2660 views | xrayspecs |
| Chirewa on 19:47 - Oct 10 by Nthsuffolkblue |
If he isn't going to get a chance ahead of those players, what makes anyone think he will get a chance ahead of other players at a Championship club? I am sure that, if he is good enough, he would get a chance here just as Woolfenden and Humphreys are. I would also expect any pathway for him here to involve a loan away at some stage. |
One of the youngsters from our village is on the books of a Premier League side. He is 21 this year and has had development loans in the National League two seasons ago, League 2 last season and League 1 this season.
He is progressing well and time will tell where his level is. It is interesting though that there are younger players who have jumped ahead of him, on loan at higher levels or around the first team.
First team football is so different to impressing in your age group team. | | | |
| Chirewa on 20:03 - Oct 10 with 2660 views | Rocky |
I thought Humphreys and Hughes were the stand-out players today v Charlton. Chirewa was a bit greedy at times and ran into blind alleys occasionally. Having said that, Chirewa's ability to bend the ball from a distance is exceptional. He could have had a second goal - but for an excellent save - very similar shot to his first goal. |  | | |
| Chirewa on 20:06 - Oct 10 with 2647 views | xrayspecs |
| Chirewa on 20:03 - Oct 10 by Rocky |
I thought Humphreys and Hughes were the stand-out players today v Charlton. Chirewa was a bit greedy at times and ran into blind alleys occasionally. Having said that, Chirewa's ability to bend the ball from a distance is exceptional. He could have had a second goal - but for an excellent save - very similar shot to his first goal. |
He also scored a similar goal on I believe the same ground last season, in the pre-season fixture v Dartford. | | | |
| Chirewa on 20:14 - Oct 10 with 2613 views | itfcjoe |
| Chirewa on 19:47 - Oct 10 by Nthsuffolkblue |
If he isn't going to get a chance ahead of those players, what makes anyone think he will get a chance ahead of other players at a Championship club? I am sure that, if he is good enough, he would get a chance here just as Woolfenden and Humphreys are. I would also expect any pathway for him here to involve a loan away at some stage. |
But is Humphreys getting a chance here? He's been on the bench for one league game when we have a flurry of injuries |  |
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| Chirewa on 20:15 - Oct 10 with 2605 views | Parky |
| Chirewa on 19:47 - Oct 10 by Nthsuffolkblue |
If he isn't going to get a chance ahead of those players, what makes anyone think he will get a chance ahead of other players at a Championship club? I am sure that, if he is good enough, he would get a chance here just as Woolfenden and Humphreys are. I would also expect any pathway for him here to involve a loan away at some stage. |
It can go both ways in football. Liam Gibbs wasn’t good enough [at the time] to play for our first team and now is a regular in Norwich’s team in the league above🖕ðŸ».
Of course, the other one is Kundai Benyu who now plays in Iceland. Ultimately, it’s down to the player and where he thinks he can get the most of his career. | | | |
| Chirewa on 20:21 - Oct 10 with 2580 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Chirewa on 20:14 - Oct 10 by itfcjoe |
But is Humphreys getting a chance here? He's been on the bench for one league game when we have a flurry of injuries |
He has also appeared in some cup matches. I am sure that, if he shows he is good enough, he will get more minutes as the season progresses. A lot is about attitude and taking the chances when they come. Too many players seem impatient for that chance.
Of course, if another club sees more potential and is prepared to pay more, then no one can blame an ambitious player for taking that chance. We wouldn't want a player not to be ambitious. [Post edited 10 Oct 2022 20:21]
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| Chirewa on 00:04 - Oct 11 with 2228 views | ParisBlue |
| Chirewa on 20:14 - Oct 10 by itfcjoe |
But is Humphreys getting a chance here? He's been on the bench for one league game when we have a flurry of injuries |
We were down to 18 players on Saturday. Any more injuries and/or a Morsy yellow card and we will rely on these guys to fill out the bench.
I've a hunch McKenna will take the FA Cup seriously as well. |  |
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| Chirewa on 07:09 - Oct 11 with 2056 views | tractorboy1978 |
| Chirewa on 20:21 - Oct 10 by Nthsuffolkblue |
He has also appeared in some cup matches. I am sure that, if he shows he is good enough, he will get more minutes as the season progresses. A lot is about attitude and taking the chances when they come. Too many players seem impatient for that chance.
Of course, if another club sees more potential and is prepared to pay more, then no one can blame an ambitious player for taking that chance. We wouldn't want a player not to be ambitious. [Post edited 10 Oct 2022 20:21]
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Humphreys has been top drawer for the U18's/U21's for over two years now and has got 1 substitute appearance under McKenna - in a complete dead rubber on the final day of the season. And as Joe said, has only even been on the bench in the league once this season. He's not going to get any closer once Camara is fit either.
It was pretty telling when McKenna said 'we had 17 senior players and Cameron Humphreys' after the game at the weekend. | | | |
| Chirewa on 07:55 - Oct 11 with 1988 views | xrayspecs |
| Chirewa on 07:09 - Oct 11 by tractorboy1978 |
Humphreys has been top drawer for the U18's/U21's for over two years now and has got 1 substitute appearance under McKenna - in a complete dead rubber on the final day of the season. And as Joe said, has only even been on the bench in the league once this season. He's not going to get any closer once Camara is fit either.
It was pretty telling when McKenna said 'we had 17 senior players and Cameron Humphreys' after the game at the weekend. |
Glass half filled or glass half empty?
Humphreys only completed his two year scholarship in the summer, he is still a child.
KM has chosen to add Humphreys to the first team squad, where he trains with the senior pros every day and is around the match day experience. You may have noticed that he is often part of the warm up with the first team players on match day. He will be a starter in the cups and U21, for whom he can play for two (or three) more seasons.
There is a massive difference between playing age group football and the first team, so KM is right to slowly ease him in. | | | |
| Chirewa on 08:07 - Oct 11 with 1964 views | wrightsrightglove |
| Chirewa on 07:55 - Oct 11 by xrayspecs |
Glass half filled or glass half empty?
Humphreys only completed his two year scholarship in the summer, he is still a child.
KM has chosen to add Humphreys to the first team squad, where he trains with the senior pros every day and is around the match day experience. You may have noticed that he is often part of the warm up with the first team players on match day. He will be a starter in the cups and U21, for whom he can play for two (or three) more seasons.
There is a massive difference between playing age group football and the first team, so KM is right to slowly ease him in. |
This is how I see it as well. KM has worked with some of the brightest young talent in the country for a lot of years, I trust him completely to make the correct decisions both for the team and for players like Humphreys. He’s still extremely young and is in training sessions which by all accounts are exceptionally well run, and around players who are great competitive professionals, that can only help with his development. Why would KM randomly throw him into league games if he hasn’t worked his way up to that yet? Cup games (of which I think there will be quite a few this season) and a few sub appearances in the league along with being part of this squad will be perfect for his development. | | | |
| Chirewa on 08:30 - Oct 11 with 1919 views | jayessess |
| Chirewa on 20:03 - Oct 10 by Rocky |
I thought Humphreys and Hughes were the stand-out players today v Charlton. Chirewa was a bit greedy at times and ran into blind alleys occasionally. Having said that, Chirewa's ability to bend the ball from a distance is exceptional. He could have had a second goal - but for an excellent save - very similar shot to his first goal. |
There are some exceptional abilities that lift players above their general level. I wouldn't say Scott Twine looked a particularly impressive all round footballer, but being able to ping it in from 30-yards fairly regularly is a game changer.
I do think there's a fair bit of complacency in "if they're good enough they'll break through" thing. The vast majority of players we sign are peak age professionals with lots of match experience. They're always going to be the low-risk option and there's always going to be an inclination to play people we've paid fees and big wages for. If we want academy graduates to come into the first team then we do have to have proactive squad plans that allow that to happen.
There are advantages to it. Luke Woolfenden's currently our best defender and I don't think we'd be able to buy similar. Would the pathway he found to the first team - cup match, League 2 loan, promotion to the first team, patience whilst he worked his game out - work now? Not sure it would. |  |
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| Chirewa on 08:42 - Oct 11 with 1882 views | xrayspecs |
| Chirewa on 08:30 - Oct 11 by jayessess |
There are some exceptional abilities that lift players above their general level. I wouldn't say Scott Twine looked a particularly impressive all round footballer, but being able to ping it in from 30-yards fairly regularly is a game changer.
I do think there's a fair bit of complacency in "if they're good enough they'll break through" thing. The vast majority of players we sign are peak age professionals with lots of match experience. They're always going to be the low-risk option and there's always going to be an inclination to play people we've paid fees and big wages for. If we want academy graduates to come into the first team then we do have to have proactive squad plans that allow that to happen.
There are advantages to it. Luke Woolfenden's currently our best defender and I don't think we'd be able to buy similar. Would the pathway he found to the first team - cup match, League 2 loan, promotion to the first team, patience whilst he worked his game out - work now? Not sure it would. |
I think Wolf is a good example of how much time and patience is required to get into your clubs first team.
Downes made the transition quicker, he had one loan at Luton before starting in the Championhip. Dozzell stayed here but took a few years to establish himself. Nydam had a couple of loans before he got badly injured. Very few players go into the first team squad after leaving the scholarship programme aged 18.
KM has lots of experience in developing young players, I trust his judgement on when they are ready or not. [Post edited 11 Oct 2022 8:43]
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| Chirewa on 08:43 - Oct 11 with 1877 views | itfcjoe |
| Chirewa on 08:30 - Oct 11 by jayessess |
There are some exceptional abilities that lift players above their general level. I wouldn't say Scott Twine looked a particularly impressive all round footballer, but being able to ping it in from 30-yards fairly regularly is a game changer.
I do think there's a fair bit of complacency in "if they're good enough they'll break through" thing. The vast majority of players we sign are peak age professionals with lots of match experience. They're always going to be the low-risk option and there's always going to be an inclination to play people we've paid fees and big wages for. If we want academy graduates to come into the first team then we do have to have proactive squad plans that allow that to happen.
There are advantages to it. Luke Woolfenden's currently our best defender and I don't think we'd be able to buy similar. Would the pathway he found to the first team - cup match, League 2 loan, promotion to the first team, patience whilst he worked his game out - work now? Not sure it would. |
People need to remember that first team football at your parent club is part of your development - there are just absolutely minimal opportunities for youngsters.
Humphreys was streets ahead of Rekeem Harper through pre season in every game, then vs Colchester when Harper was dire and Humphreys was good.....who was on the bench that weekend? Rekeem Harper.
Any player signed for a fee and given a first team wage is automatically considered a senior player, and the senior squad is full | |
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| Chirewa on 08:53 - Oct 11 with 1815 views | xrayspecs |
| Chirewa on 08:43 - Oct 11 by itfcjoe |
People need to remember that first team football at your parent club is part of your development - there are just absolutely minimal opportunities for youngsters.
Humphreys was streets ahead of Rekeem Harper through pre season in every game, then vs Colchester when Harper was dire and Humphreys was good.....who was on the bench that weekend? Rekeem Harper.
Any player signed for a fee and given a first team wage is automatically considered a senior player, and the senior squad is full |
The same Rackeem Harper who has been sent to Exeter because he would not get game time here? Humphreys is part of the first team squad. Harper is not. We paid a fee for Harper too. | | | |
| Chirewa on 08:57 - Oct 11 with 1803 views | jayessess |
| Chirewa on 08:42 - Oct 11 by xrayspecs |
I think Wolf is a good example of how much time and patience is required to get into your clubs first team.
Downes made the transition quicker, he had one loan at Luton before starting in the Championhip. Dozzell stayed here but took a few years to establish himself. Nydam had a couple of loans before he got badly injured. Very few players go into the first team squad after leaving the scholarship programme aged 18.
KM has lots of experience in developing young players, I trust his judgement on when they are ready or not. [Post edited 11 Oct 2022 8:43]
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But as it stands I don't think the path Woolfenden took to the first team exists. Luke got into our first team after an outstanding year in League 2. Doing similar didn't get Corrie Ndaba or Tyreece Simpson into the first team reckoning at all and it won't get Idris El Mizouni in there either. | |
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| Chirewa on 09:22 - Oct 11 with 1754 views | itfcjoe |
| Chirewa on 08:53 - Oct 11 by xrayspecs |
The same Rackeem Harper who has been sent to Exeter because he would not get game time here? Humphreys is part of the first team squad. Harper is not. We paid a fee for Harper too. |
Harper was clearly going out on loan but yet was still ahead of Humphreys.
What realistically is development path for Humphreys? Do we expect him to get any consequential league minutes this season? What does he need to do to get them? | |
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