| The move back to the EU continues 12:52 - Nov 20 with 3308 views | HARRY10 |
"The Sunday Times reported that senior government figures were in effect revisiting a Brexit trading arrangement offered by the EU last year, which would get rid of 80% of the checks between Great Britain and Northern Ireland and open up access to the single market.
But the move would require the UK to pledge alignment, at least temporarily, on food and agriculture standards. Doing so would be anathema to champions of a hard Brexit, including Boris Johnson’s chief negotiator David Frost, as well as members of the hardline ERG."
If the UK has, and wishes to keep higher standards, then where is the problem ? It is because the UK actually wants lower standards (AUZ/NZ trade deals) and the current Bill to remove EU safety regulations & standards where the problem arises.
Once the UK allows dodgy animal products to be imported from US and Aus/NZ the EU would stop imports of UK animal products, as they could not be certain of their origin. So if the UK is not heading down that road, why the objection ?
There is no concern in the EU that it is GMT that determines there are 60 mins in the hour, or that the EU and the world aligns with Greenwich over the exact second it is the hour mark.
As the move out of isolation and back to the EU continues the original intent of brexit becomes clearer. Any wonder less than a third of voters now think it was a good idea. A figure that I suspect will continue to shrink.
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| The move back to the EU continues on 20:27 - Nov 20 with 2643 views | HARRY10 |
"...former Brexit secretary, who claimed doing so would renege on the freedoms gained in the aftermath of the 2016 referendum ".
freedoms ?
Like Ron Fletcher refusing day release from Parkhurst because it would renege on his freedoms.........not to have to have a job, cook his food, buy clothes or decide what to do, or where to go each day.
Whereas the population has lost the freedom to travel, work, live and study at will in Europe. To move and/or sell goods in Europe without all the red tape there is now - eeven take your pets to and fro without the cost and delay we now have. Even for football clubs, Freedom or artistes, performers bands etc to travel into Europe without all the hassle there is now.
Still, the elongated stick insect, relieed of his duties in Parliament, was tasked with finding the so called Brexit freedoms. We have
Yet again the stick insect is not being honest. The cheese was a possibility that was not really going to happen - and his guff about vacuum cleaners is very misleading. I would prefer to trust Which rather some absurdity who I doubt has ever used a Vacuum Cleaner
Thanks to scare mongering by brexiters dimwits in their thousands went out and bought inefficient, costly and noisy vacuum cleaners as the naughty EU were requiring manufacturers to produce more efficient cleaners at a lower cost. Mind you there is the freedom to pay roaming charges when in Europe - so yah boo sucks to that ban, EU
So after 6 months of this idiot trying the best he can come up with is 2% off fish fingers !
And there does seem some equivalence between the lack of brexit benefits and the constant announcements of how the UK is heading into the EU
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| The move back to the EU continues on 07:18 - Nov 21 with 2410 views | ThisIsMyUsername |
The sooner we rejoin even just the single market, the better. |  |
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| The move back to the EU continues on 07:39 - Nov 21 with 2372 views | jacko77 |
6 years you've had to get over this,just let it go mate,it happened,get over it. | | | |
| The move back to the EU continues on 07:48 - Nov 21 with 2353 views | Leaky |
We are out move on. |  | | |
| The move back to the EU continues on 07:59 - Nov 21 with 2340 views | DanTheMan |
| The move back to the EU continues on 07:39 - Nov 21 by jacko77 |
6 years you've had to get over this,just let it go mate,it happened,get over it. |
What is a reasonable amount of time to reconsider whether something was actually a good idea or not?
One decade? More? |  |
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| The move back to the EU continues on 08:55 - Nov 21 with 2232 views | Churchman |
| The move back to the EU continues on 07:59 - Nov 21 by DanTheMan |
What is a reasonable amount of time to reconsider whether something was actually a good idea or not?
One decade? More? |
How about reconsidering whether or not something is a good idea before you actually do it. The Gov didn’t. Now we are just left with the same weirds coming out the same old mantras. ‘Opportunities’ is their favourite word. What opportunities? There really aren’t any.
JRM and the boneheads will carry on with this because it doesn’t effect them any more than shoving the NHS the bin does. They are totally insulated from their debate club politics/economics. They will always find a reason or blame elsewhere to justify this madness..
Of course the U.K. should rejoin the SM/CU. It’s as obvious as opening a door to get through it. But it won’t happen under the numbskulls. I suspect it will under Starmer despite their words at the moment. As a discussion, it’s off limits. We have two years of wrecking ball mob left, so I reckon we will rejoin SM/CU in three years time. |  | | |
| The move back to the EU continues on 09:06 - Nov 21 with 2214 views | DJR |
| The move back to the EU continues on 07:39 - Nov 21 by jacko77 |
6 years you've had to get over this,just let it go mate,it happened,get over it. |
But it was a pyrrhic victory as the following from the OBR in May this year indicates.
The new trading relationship between the UK and EU, as set out in the ‘Trade and Cooperation Agreement’ (TCA) that came into effect on 1 January 2021, will reduce long-run productivity by 4 per cent relative to remaining in the EU.
Both exports and imports will be around 15 per cent lower in the long run than if the UK had remained in the EU.
New trade deals with non-EU countries will not have a material impact, and any effect will be gradual (see our 2018 Discussion paper for more detail). This is because the deals concluded to date either replicate (or ‘roll over’) deals that the UK already benefited from as an EU member state, or do not have a material impact on our forecast
The Government’s new post-Brexit migration regime will reduce net inward migration to the UK. We assume that these changes will lower the future size of the population and also reduce the labour market participation rate by a small amount (due to the population effect being concentrated among those of working age).
EDIT: Since May, the OBR has increased it forecast of net migration to 224,000 due to labour shortages. That's higher than the net migration of 200,000 from 2011-21. So even on this measure Brexit has been a failure. [Post edited 21 Nov 2022 9:18]
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| The move back to the EU continues on 09:33 - Nov 21 with 2164 views | BLUEGOLD |
| The move back to the EU continues on 09:06 - Nov 21 by DJR |
But it was a pyrrhic victory as the following from the OBR in May this year indicates.
The new trading relationship between the UK and EU, as set out in the ‘Trade and Cooperation Agreement’ (TCA) that came into effect on 1 January 2021, will reduce long-run productivity by 4 per cent relative to remaining in the EU.
Both exports and imports will be around 15 per cent lower in the long run than if the UK had remained in the EU.
New trade deals with non-EU countries will not have a material impact, and any effect will be gradual (see our 2018 Discussion paper for more detail). This is because the deals concluded to date either replicate (or ‘roll over’) deals that the UK already benefited from as an EU member state, or do not have a material impact on our forecast
The Government’s new post-Brexit migration regime will reduce net inward migration to the UK. We assume that these changes will lower the future size of the population and also reduce the labour market participation rate by a small amount (due to the population effect being concentrated among those of working age).
EDIT: Since May, the OBR has increased it forecast of net migration to 224,000 due to labour shortages. That's higher than the net migration of 200,000 from 2011-21. So even on this measure Brexit has been a failure. [Post edited 21 Nov 2022 9:18]
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Stop with the facts please.
The extremely intelligent and not at all racist, leavers are too smart for this. | | | |
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| The move back to the EU continues on 09:55 - Nov 21 with 2115 views | blueislander |
| The move back to the EU continues on 09:06 - Nov 21 by DJR |
But it was a pyrrhic victory as the following from the OBR in May this year indicates.
The new trading relationship between the UK and EU, as set out in the ‘Trade and Cooperation Agreement’ (TCA) that came into effect on 1 January 2021, will reduce long-run productivity by 4 per cent relative to remaining in the EU.
Both exports and imports will be around 15 per cent lower in the long run than if the UK had remained in the EU.
New trade deals with non-EU countries will not have a material impact, and any effect will be gradual (see our 2018 Discussion paper for more detail). This is because the deals concluded to date either replicate (or ‘roll over’) deals that the UK already benefited from as an EU member state, or do not have a material impact on our forecast
The Government’s new post-Brexit migration regime will reduce net inward migration to the UK. We assume that these changes will lower the future size of the population and also reduce the labour market participation rate by a small amount (due to the population effect being concentrated among those of working age).
EDIT: Since May, the OBR has increased it forecast of net migration to 224,000 due to labour shortages. That's higher than the net migration of 200,000 from 2011-21. So even on this measure Brexit has been a failure. [Post edited 21 Nov 2022 9:18]
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Unfortunately the government are now denying that they intend to try to negotiate changes to the Brexit deal, although I guess that doesn’t include the Irish deal. | | | |
| The move back to the EU continues on 09:59 - Nov 21 with 2108 views | DJR |
| The move back to the EU continues on 09:33 - Nov 21 by BLUEGOLD |
Stop with the facts please.
The extremely intelligent and not at all racist, leavers are too smart for this. |
Interesting to see car production in 2021 was at its lowest since 1956, and has fallen dramatically since 2016. I can't really see the UK being anything other than an also-ran when it comes to car production in the future, especially with the advent of electric cars. It was all so different in the past when the UK was seen as the gateway into Europe. | | | |
| The move back to the EU continues on 10:00 - Nov 21 with 2103 views | DJR |
| The move back to the EU continues on 09:55 - Nov 21 by blueislander |
Unfortunately the government are now denying that they intend to try to negotiate changes to the Brexit deal, although I guess that doesn’t include the Irish deal. |
The lunatics have taken over the asylum, if such an expression is permissible these days. [Post edited 21 Nov 2022 10:01]
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| The move back to the EU continues on 10:20 - Nov 21 with 2052 views | WeWereZombies |
| The move back to the EU continues on 07:48 - Nov 21 by Leaky |
We are out move on. |
That may be true for England and Wales but in Scotland there are still many joint European Union and Scottish projects running, when I next go to Northern Ireland I expect to see even more. As DJR has pointed out in another post in this thread the degree of co-operation that some voters expected to be dismantled still continues between the United Kingdom and Continental Europe (it could not very well be ceased between the 'Great' British island and the other significant Ireland in this archipelago given the history and mixed family relationships between the two.) So I am afraid that you are going to have to accept that 'hard Brexit' has failed...and move on. |  |
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| The move back to the EU continues on 10:20 - Nov 21 with 2050 views | eireblue |
| The move back to the EU continues on 09:06 - Nov 21 by DJR |
But it was a pyrrhic victory as the following from the OBR in May this year indicates.
The new trading relationship between the UK and EU, as set out in the ‘Trade and Cooperation Agreement’ (TCA) that came into effect on 1 January 2021, will reduce long-run productivity by 4 per cent relative to remaining in the EU.
Both exports and imports will be around 15 per cent lower in the long run than if the UK had remained in the EU.
New trade deals with non-EU countries will not have a material impact, and any effect will be gradual (see our 2018 Discussion paper for more detail). This is because the deals concluded to date either replicate (or ‘roll over’) deals that the UK already benefited from as an EU member state, or do not have a material impact on our forecast
The Government’s new post-Brexit migration regime will reduce net inward migration to the UK. We assume that these changes will lower the future size of the population and also reduce the labour market participation rate by a small amount (due to the population effect being concentrated among those of working age).
EDIT: Since May, the OBR has increased it forecast of net migration to 224,000 due to labour shortages. That's higher than the net migration of 200,000 from 2011-21. So even on this measure Brexit has been a failure. [Post edited 21 Nov 2022 9:18]
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I really like the fact that someone down voted work carried out by British Civil Servants.
Come on, you wanted rid of EU Bureaucrats, now it is time to get behind proper British Civil Servants telling it like it is! Get behind your countrymen! |  | | |
| The move back to the EU continues on 10:44 - Nov 21 with 1997 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
As a gentle reminder. To rejoin the EU or even just to rejoin the single market will require the approval of ALL 27 member countries.
It’s highly unlikely any time soon after everything that’s happened and the way that we’ve acted. |  |
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| The move back to the EU continues on 10:50 - Nov 21 with 1979 views | WeWereZombies |
| The move back to the EU continues on 10:44 - Nov 21 by Cheltenham_Blue |
As a gentle reminder. To rejoin the EU or even just to rejoin the single market will require the approval of ALL 27 member countries.
It’s highly unlikely any time soon after everything that’s happened and the way that we’ve acted. |
Also the United Kingdom has already said goodbye to all the advantageous concessions that politicians (including Margaret Thatcher) have negotiated during past decades and we would be in a far worse position even if we did meet the accession conditions (and that is doubtful if adoption of the euro was incumbent upon us, wouldn't it be bizarre if the final result of Brexit was not only to have to rejoin the European Union but also to see the end of Sterling ?)
The only thing we can do now is strengthen the Commonwealth, strengthen ties with Norway and Switzerland and wait to see if there is some fracture in the current arrangements that allows a new union to be formed. | |
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| The move back to the EU continues on 11:12 - Nov 21 with 1937 views | DJR |
| The move back to the EU continues on 10:44 - Nov 21 by Cheltenham_Blue |
As a gentle reminder. To rejoin the EU or even just to rejoin the single market will require the approval of ALL 27 member countries.
It’s highly unlikely any time soon after everything that’s happened and the way that we’ve acted. |
My only hope is Scottish independence, and obtaining a Scottish passport for my children and me. But sadly, that looks a few years off so long as the older, more Unionist population is still about. | | | |
| The move back to the EU continues on 11:19 - Nov 21 with 1909 views | ThisIsMyUsername |
| The move back to the EU continues on 10:44 - Nov 21 by Cheltenham_Blue |
As a gentle reminder. To rejoin the EU or even just to rejoin the single market will require the approval of ALL 27 member countries.
It’s highly unlikely any time soon after everything that’s happened and the way that we’ve acted. |
Surely they'd all let us back into the single market as it would boost all of their economies collectively.
I doubt they're that petty or stupid to shoot themselves in the foot and reject that opportunity. | |
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| The move back to the EU continues on 11:27 - Nov 21 with 1877 views | sotd78 |
| The move back to the EU continues on 07:39 - Nov 21 by jacko77 |
6 years you've had to get over this,just let it go mate,it happened,get over it. |
Six years to start to get some of the 52% to start to see that the 48% were right?
We won't "get over it" because it is proving a disaster. |  |
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| (No subject) (n/t) on 11:27 - Nov 21 with 1866 views | sotd78 |
| The move back to the EU continues on 07:39 - Nov 21 by jacko77 |
6 years you've had to get over this,just let it go mate,it happened,get over it. |
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| The move back to the EU continues on 11:33 - Nov 21 with 1827 views | sotd78 |
| The move back to the EU continues on 07:48 - Nov 21 by Leaky |
We are out move on. |
Sorry, but moving on also means looking ahead. Ahead to what? A shambles. A weakened economy. Back to a fifties Britain when the skies were blue and the fields were green. Oh that Britain with our gun boat diplomacy and the pound above 2 dollars. Yep! We're moving on alright! | |
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| The move back to the EU continues on 11:46 - Nov 21 with 1808 views | Sarge |
| The move back to the EU continues on 09:06 - Nov 21 by DJR |
But it was a pyrrhic victory as the following from the OBR in May this year indicates.
The new trading relationship between the UK and EU, as set out in the ‘Trade and Cooperation Agreement’ (TCA) that came into effect on 1 January 2021, will reduce long-run productivity by 4 per cent relative to remaining in the EU.
Both exports and imports will be around 15 per cent lower in the long run than if the UK had remained in the EU.
New trade deals with non-EU countries will not have a material impact, and any effect will be gradual (see our 2018 Discussion paper for more detail). This is because the deals concluded to date either replicate (or ‘roll over’) deals that the UK already benefited from as an EU member state, or do not have a material impact on our forecast
The Government’s new post-Brexit migration regime will reduce net inward migration to the UK. We assume that these changes will lower the future size of the population and also reduce the labour market participation rate by a small amount (due to the population effect being concentrated among those of working age).
EDIT: Since May, the OBR has increased it forecast of net migration to 224,000 due to labour shortages. That's higher than the net migration of 200,000 from 2011-21. So even on this measure Brexit has been a failure. [Post edited 21 Nov 2022 9:18]
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Too long and sensible a post if you’re expecting this drive-by sh1tposter to stop and read it. Remember they respond best to unquantifiable three word slogans, preferably painted on a bus. | | | |
| The move back to the EU continues on 12:08 - Nov 21 with 1787 views | HARRY10 |
| The move back to the EU continues on 07:48 - Nov 21 by Leaky |
We are out move on. |
Poor righties. I can imagine his reaction were he to be diagnosed with a life threatening illness
"You are going to die, now move on and stop bothering us" - Doctor
"yes, your car was written off, tough, move on "- insurance company.
just as brexiters are failing to rell us of any benefits, so the media will comment on how things are moving back towards the EU. Something that was always on the cards,, never mind how many senile bigots die.
Just as it is big business that is calling the shots in Qatar so, all business will decide how we move forward - and listening to the CBI it is back into Europe.
The cold isolation the brexiters wanted for the country was never going to work. Too many be the business of people want the freedoms the EU offers. | | | |
| The move back to the EU continues on 12:23 - Nov 21 with 1754 views | Darth_Koont |
| The move back to the EU continues on 07:18 - Nov 21 by ThisIsMyUsername |
The sooner we rejoin even just the single market, the better. |
That will mean Freedom of Movement again. And even Labour are saying that won’t happen.
At best, there could be a proper Customs Union arrangement just to untangle the trade mess. But that reduces some costs but without returning the full value we had before within the single market. |  |
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| The move back to the EU continues on 13:02 - Nov 21 with 1704 views | ThisIsMyUsername |
| The move back to the EU continues on 12:23 - Nov 21 by Darth_Koont |
That will mean Freedom of Movement again. And even Labour are saying that won’t happen.
At best, there could be a proper Customs Union arrangement just to untangle the trade mess. But that reduces some costs but without returning the full value we had before within the single market. |
That's what they're saying at the moment.
Surely once in power just do some opinion polls and if the will is there then go for it.
(Should state, in case it wasn't clear, that I'm not a political expert). [Post edited 21 Nov 2022 13:06]
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| The move back to the EU continues on 13:18 - Nov 21 with 1680 views | Darth_Koont |
| The move back to the EU continues on 13:02 - Nov 21 by ThisIsMyUsername |
That's what they're saying at the moment.
Surely once in power just do some opinion polls and if the will is there then go for it.
(Should state, in case it wasn't clear, that I'm not a political expert). [Post edited 21 Nov 2022 13:06]
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I think there’s already a deep-seated aversion to changing things. And I just don’t see Labour taking much of a stand on anything even if they do get in. Certainly nothing as big as that.
They want their hands on the wheel and the opportunity to get paid. May well be a far too cynical view but I don’t see the principles or real beliefs that would indicate much else. | |
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