| Hey Badger 06:52 - Mar 17 with 2149 views | noggin |
What are your views on the 'improved' pay offer for you and your colleagues? |  |
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| Hey Badger on 10:17 - Mar 17 with 2021 views | BlueBadger |
Essentially, it's a less harsh pay cut than previous years coupled to a bribe to try and make us sit down and shut up and I very much doubt it'll resolve anything short or long ttrerm regarding recruitment and retention.
Disappointed to see the big two saying they'll recommend it to their members. [Post edited 17 Mar 2023 10:18]
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| Hey Badger on 10:25 - Mar 17 with 2000 views | noggin |
| Hey Badger on 10:17 - Mar 17 by BlueBadger |
Essentially, it's a less harsh pay cut than previous years coupled to a bribe to try and make us sit down and shut up and I very much doubt it'll resolve anything short or long ttrerm regarding recruitment and retention.
Disappointed to see the big two saying they'll recommend it to their members. [Post edited 17 Mar 2023 10:18]
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The few people I still know in the job are publicly stating that it's an insult. I don't see why the unions are happy with it. | |
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| Hey Badger on 10:30 - Mar 17 with 1975 views | BlueBadger |
| Hey Badger on 10:25 - Mar 17 by noggin |
The few people I still know in the job are publicly stating that it's an insult. I don't see why the unions are happy with it. |
The RCN have always been a bit supine. A locally, Unison were an utter disgrace in the lead up to balloting - no coordination with their counterparts, only bothering to turn out and canvas people a week before... | |
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| Hey Badger on 12:45 - Mar 17 with 1824 views | Mookamoo |
Hmmmm.
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| Hey Badger on 13:35 - Mar 17 with 1776 views | noggin |
| Hey Badger on 12:45 - Mar 17 by Mookamoo |
Hmmmm.
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So, now it's "affordable". It wasn't a couple of weeks ago. | |
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| Hey Badger on 13:41 - Mar 17 with 1761 views | giant_stow |
| Hey Badger on 10:25 - Mar 17 by noggin |
The few people I still know in the job are publicly stating that it's an insult. I don't see why the unions are happy with it. |
I was just driving with LBC on and they interviewed the lead negotiator for the unions. Apparently, a condition placed by the govt of entering into talks was that the unions had to promise to recommend any agreed deal. 5 unions are playing ball - Unite is refusing and presenting the deal 'neutrally' to its members to vote on. They had a Unite rep on after the negotiator and he sounded outraged by the deal and reckoned more strikes were likely. |  |
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| Hey Badger on 13:43 - Mar 17 with 1754 views | giant_stow |
| Hey Badger on 13:35 - Mar 17 by noggin |
So, now it's "affordable". It wasn't a couple of weeks ago. |
Is the NHS budget going up? If not, this is the same stunt they pulled with that teachers's payrise. | |
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| Hey Badger on 13:56 - Mar 17 with 1700 views | J2BLUE |
| Hey Badger on 12:45 - Mar 17 by Mookamoo |
Hmmmm.
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So that's the angle. Greedy NHS workers hold NHS to ransom.
It is an absolute insult to give them a pay rise below inflation. Maybe we can't give everyone the full inflation amount but we have a debt to settle after the pandemic. Disgrace. |  |
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| Hey Badger on 14:20 - Mar 17 with 1619 views | gtsb1966 |
My daughter makes chemo medicine. Dressed in a medical suit with a face mask on and bent with arms in a cabinet for a few hours a day. She then has to make the patients medicines up. Not just chemo medication but all sorts. Such a responsible job but her pay is absolutely shocking. I was hoping she would get more. |  | | |
| Hey Badger on 14:32 - Mar 17 with 1580 views | noggin |
| Hey Badger on 14:20 - Mar 17 by gtsb1966 |
My daughter makes chemo medicine. Dressed in a medical suit with a face mask on and bent with arms in a cabinet for a few hours a day. She then has to make the patients medicines up. Not just chemo medication but all sorts. Such a responsible job but her pay is absolutely shocking. I was hoping she would get more. |
Aren't you a tory voter? | |
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| Hey Badger on 14:34 - Mar 17 with 1574 views | gtsb1966 |
| Hey Badger on 14:32 - Mar 17 by noggin |
Aren't you a tory voter? |
Absolutely not. | | | |
| Hey Badger on 15:26 - Mar 17 with 1500 views | Daninthecampo |
| Hey Badger on 13:56 - Mar 17 by J2BLUE |
So that's the angle. Greedy NHS workers hold NHS to ransom.
It is an absolute insult to give them a pay rise below inflation. Maybe we can't give everyone the full inflation amount but we have a debt to settle after the pandemic. Disgrace. |
I'm not defending the government in any way and fully behind the NHS (my sister works for them), But payrises matching current high rates is difficult with inflation rates expecting to drop to 3-4% by Q4 this year |  | | |
| Hey Badger on 16:12 - Mar 17 with 1437 views | Kievthegreat |
| Hey Badger on 15:26 - Mar 17 by Daninthecampo |
I'm not defending the government in any way and fully behind the NHS (my sister works for them), But payrises matching current high rates is difficult with inflation rates expecting to drop to 3-4% by Q4 this year |
Inflation has already happened though. If they give a 5% payrise now, that's still really a pay cut as they've already seen their expenses going up by 10+% . Plus that cut will be baked into their wages going forward. |  | | |
| Hey Badger on 16:23 - Mar 17 with 1409 views | Parsley |
| Hey Badger on 16:12 - Mar 17 by Kievthegreat |
Inflation has already happened though. If they give a 5% payrise now, that's still really a pay cut as they've already seen their expenses going up by 10+% . Plus that cut will be baked into their wages going forward. |
Also inflation 'dropping' to 3-4% still means things are going to get even more expensive |  | | |
| Hey Badger on 16:54 - Mar 17 with 1375 views | Kievthegreat |
| Hey Badger on 16:23 - Mar 17 by Parsley |
Also inflation 'dropping' to 3-4% still means things are going to get even more expensive |
Plus it compounds just like interest.
I was very fortunate in that my union negotiated a pay deal a couple of years ago to get RPI + 1%. Obviously this year the company tried to renegotiate because they didn't plan on 11.5% inflation when it came to the annual pay increase. They offered very large bonuses to try and get people to accept a smaller raise of something like 6%. Union however rejected it because while we'd have more money this year, from year 2 onwards we'd have significantly less money overall. [Post edited 17 Mar 2023 16:54]
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| Hey Badger on 17:05 - Mar 17 with 1364 views | noggin |
| Hey Badger on 15:26 - Mar 17 by Daninthecampo |
I'm not defending the government in any way and fully behind the NHS (my sister works for them), But payrises matching current high rates is difficult with inflation rates expecting to drop to 3-4% by Q4 this year |
Isn't the offer on the table, a one off bonus this year, then 5% next year? A bonus payment is not a pay rise, so next year's 5% would be of their current wage. | |
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| Hey Badger on 17:17 - Mar 17 with 1331 views | noggin |
| Hey Badger on 14:34 - Mar 17 by gtsb1966 |
Absolutely not. |
Apologies. | |
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| Hey Badger on 18:33 - Mar 17 with 1245 views | gtsb1966 |
| Hey Badger on 17:17 - Mar 17 by noggin |
Apologies. |
No need to apologise. A lot of my ramblings probably come across as to the right but that is probably because I'm not overly to the left either and do have different views to many on here. I think this government are appalling beyond words but that doesn't mean to say I think everything the Labour Party say is right. What I do know is that I hope and prey we have a different government come the next election. The alternative is unthinkable. | | | |
| Hey Badger on 19:28 - Mar 17 with 1180 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Hey Badger on 13:56 - Mar 17 by J2BLUE |
So that's the angle. Greedy NHS workers hold NHS to ransom.
It is an absolute insult to give them a pay rise below inflation. Maybe we can't give everyone the full inflation amount but we have a debt to settle after the pandemic. Disgrace. |
"Maybe we can't give everyone the full inflation amount"
That is a political choice. Of course, the money as to be found (currently the Government are choosing to do that by saying it comes out of existing budgets so as well as a real terms pay cut, it is additionally a budget cut). The Government are not having any qualms about funding MP pay rises, their corrupt Covid contracts, bailouts, etc. It is purely public services they wish to defund. It has always been Conservative policy to shrink the state. They ideally want to then cut taxes for the richest. It was only the effect on the markets that stopped them. |  |
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| Hey Badger on 08:30 - Mar 18 with 1027 views | Churchman |
| Hey Badger on 19:28 - Mar 17 by Nthsuffolkblue |
"Maybe we can't give everyone the full inflation amount"
That is a political choice. Of course, the money as to be found (currently the Government are choosing to do that by saying it comes out of existing budgets so as well as a real terms pay cut, it is additionally a budget cut). The Government are not having any qualms about funding MP pay rises, their corrupt Covid contracts, bailouts, etc. It is purely public services they wish to defund. It has always been Conservative policy to shrink the state. They ideally want to then cut taxes for the richest. It was only the effect on the markets that stopped them. |
The money is there. They found it fast enough when the banks collapsed and when there was an opportunity to get their mates’ noses into the public trough during Covid with PPE contracts etc.
The economy is £3tn, the tax receipts as attached.
https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-8513/
If they want more, how about getting those not paying their taxes to do so? They could always employ more tax inspectors and specialists to go after these people instead of getting rid of them. Their choice.
https://www.theguardian.com/news/2022/sep/27/super-rich-uk-non-doms-avoiding-32b
How about those who earn good money paying a little more in income tax? Radical maybe, but perhaps that could be the trade off for allowing them to squirrel more money away in tax efficient pensions? There’s plenty of money available. If there was threat of another bank collapse, does anyone think £100bn wouldn’t be found immediately as it was in 2008? Of course not.
As NSBlue points out, they’re really only interested in benefitting themselves and their chums. Do they genuinely believe what they are attempting to do is to benefit the people of this country? I don’t think so. Nor do they care. I think they hold the people in contempt. I bet they have a good laugh about it over lunch too.
They are at war with the public sector and utterly refuse to recognise what it does/contributes. After all, they are ‘the dead hand’, to quote Francis Maude. [Post edited 18 Mar 2023 8:31]
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| Hey Badger on 12:30 - Mar 18 with 924 views | LeoMuff |
As an NHS worker I would probably accept, I think private sector pay went up 6. Something percent so it’s roughly on par which seems fair, the issue however is it doesn’t solve recruitment and retention issues that are breaking wards and hospitals.
They urgently need to solve this as without staff very little can be changed. |  |
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| Hey Badger on 12:35 - Mar 18 with 917 views | Herbivore |
| Hey Badger on 12:30 - Mar 18 by LeoMuff |
As an NHS worker I would probably accept, I think private sector pay went up 6. Something percent so it’s roughly on par which seems fair, the issue however is it doesn’t solve recruitment and retention issues that are breaking wards and hospitals.
They urgently need to solve this as without staff very little can be changed. |
It's below the average private sector pay increase and it comes after more than a decade of real terms pay cuts. It's an insult. |  |
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| Hey Badger on 12:37 - Mar 18 with 910 views | noggin |
| Hey Badger on 12:35 - Mar 18 by Herbivore |
It's below the average private sector pay increase and it comes after more than a decade of real terms pay cuts. It's an insult. |
This. It's a sad day when even NHS employees think it's acceptable. | |
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