| That disallowed goal 05:50 - Mar 22 with 2117 views | BlueNomad |
against Barnsley is beginning to look increasingly costly.
I know things allegedly even themselves out but that decision hurt at the time and isn’t improving |  | | |  |
| That disallowed goal on 06:05 - Mar 22 with 2060 views | Kropotkin123 |
And Sheff Wed offside.
That would make the table
Plymouth 80 from 38
Ipswich 78 from 37
Sheff Wed 77 from 36
Barnsley 71 from 36
But focusing on this doesn't change anything. We just need to win the remaining games. No team is better than us in this league. We've outplayed everyone this season. Just got to make it happen game by game now. |  |
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| That disallowed goal on 06:10 - Mar 22 with 2047 views | Chrisd |
Naturally, we are going to focus on decisions that have gone against us this season, but let’s not pretend Plymouth, Wednesday and Barnsley haven’t had decisions that have gone against them too. I’m sure their fans would say their season could’ve been even better if certain incidents had gone their way. [Post edited 22 Mar 2023 6:17]
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| That disallowed goal on 06:42 - Mar 22 with 1950 views | ITFC_Forever |
Refs have cost us over 10 points this season, but equally, those clumsy draws haven’t helped either. |  |
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| That disallowed goal on 07:26 - Mar 22 with 1806 views | Churchman |
| That disallowed goal on 06:42 - Mar 22 by ITFC_Forever |
Refs have cost us over 10 points this season, but equally, those clumsy draws haven’t helped either. |
I’m sure every team has had its moments with rubbish refs and the like. 46 games in a season, you finish where you deserve and have to look at your own failings first.
In our case, caving in when the game was in our hands or not putting teams away when we should. Something, to their credit, that seems to have been resolved.
Big picture - what an exciting season and what good progress the team has made in McKenna’s 15 months. I would be very surprised if we were capable of repeating the abject performance at Charlton last season whatever team we put out. |  | | |
| That disallowed goal on 07:41 - Mar 22 with 1750 views | GeoffSentence |
| That disallowed goal on 06:10 - Mar 22 by Chrisd |
Naturally, we are going to focus on decisions that have gone against us this season, but let’s not pretend Plymouth, Wednesday and Barnsley haven’t had decisions that have gone against them too. I’m sure their fans would say their season could’ve been even better if certain incidents had gone their way. [Post edited 22 Mar 2023 6:17]
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We can point to dodgy decisions in the key games against our promotion rivals, which both hurt us and benefit them. Don't think Barnsley or Sheffield Wednesday have the same benefit in games against us. |  |
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| That disallowed goal on 07:52 - Mar 22 with 1692 views | tractorboy1978 |
| That disallowed goal on 07:26 - Mar 22 by Churchman |
I’m sure every team has had its moments with rubbish refs and the like. 46 games in a season, you finish where you deserve and have to look at your own failings first.
In our case, caving in when the game was in our hands or not putting teams away when we should. Something, to their credit, that seems to have been resolved.
Big picture - what an exciting season and what good progress the team has made in McKenna’s 15 months. I would be very surprised if we were capable of repeating the abject performance at Charlton last season whatever team we put out. |
'You finish where you deserve and have to look at your own failings first' - true to a point. But if you average 2 points per game and finish on 92 points (as we are well on course for) and don't get automatic promotion you can't do a lot more. 90 points is the highest tally that hasn't seen a side promoted - nuts! | | | |
| That disallowed goal on 07:52 - Mar 22 with 1695 views | LegendofthePhoenix |
This would be a dreadful thing for football, but with the money that is at stake in professional sports, have any teams ever sued officials for a wrong decision? I could see it happening, perhaps in the US. |  |
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| That disallowed goal on 08:15 - Mar 22 with 1592 views | Churchman |
| That disallowed goal on 07:52 - Mar 22 by tractorboy1978 |
'You finish where you deserve and have to look at your own failings first' - true to a point. But if you average 2 points per game and finish on 92 points (as we are well on course for) and don't get automatic promotion you can't do a lot more. 90 points is the highest tally that hasn't seen a side promoted - nuts! |
Agree with this, you are right. A nuts season points wise. This is why perspective of where we were two years ago, 15 months ago to now is in my view important. | | | |
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| That disallowed goal on 08:24 - Mar 22 with 1542 views | LegendofthePhoenix |
| That disallowed goal on 07:52 - Mar 22 by LegendofthePhoenix |
This would be a dreadful thing for football, but with the money that is at stake in professional sports, have any teams ever sued officials for a wrong decision? I could see it happening, perhaps in the US. |
I've just looked this up, and basically it can't ever happen because the referee's decision is final, even if it is wrong.
I do think we have been on the end of worse refereeing decisions this season than any I can recall, and in some really key matches against the 3 other top teams (not to mention the farce at Oxford). Ironic (and possibly very unfortunate) that it is also a season where the top 4 will break points records for failing to get auto promotion. We just have to keep winning. | |
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| That disallowed goal on 08:29 - Mar 22 with 1516 views | Herbivore |
| That disallowed goal on 07:41 - Mar 22 by GeoffSentence |
We can point to dodgy decisions in the key games against our promotion rivals, which both hurt us and benefit them. Don't think Barnsley or Sheffield Wednesday have the same benefit in games against us. |
This is precisely it. In games against our rivals at the top we've been on the receiving end of some very poor decisions and that hasn't been the case the other way around. The Barnsley disallowed goal is possibly the worst decision I've witnessed live, genuinely thought he'd given a pen rather than playing advantage which would have been bad enough but to give a foul against Harness was crazy. Nobody else in the ground saw a free kick to Barnsley there.
The Sheffield Wednesday offside goal was also so clear and so easy to see given the short distance the ball travelled and I don't think it's a stretch to say that the missiles thrown at the officials were the main reason the lino's flag stayed down.
If anyone can point to us having similarly generous game changing decisions in our favour in big games against our rivals at the top I'm happy to stand corrected, but I can't recall any. |  |
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| That disallowed goal on 08:40 - Mar 22 with 1437 views | ITFC_Forever |
| That disallowed goal on 08:29 - Mar 22 by Herbivore |
This is precisely it. In games against our rivals at the top we've been on the receiving end of some very poor decisions and that hasn't been the case the other way around. The Barnsley disallowed goal is possibly the worst decision I've witnessed live, genuinely thought he'd given a pen rather than playing advantage which would have been bad enough but to give a foul against Harness was crazy. Nobody else in the ground saw a free kick to Barnsley there.
The Sheffield Wednesday offside goal was also so clear and so easy to see given the short distance the ball travelled and I don't think it's a stretch to say that the missiles thrown at the officials were the main reason the lino's flag stayed down.
If anyone can point to us having similarly generous game changing decisions in our favour in big games against our rivals at the top I'm happy to stand corrected, but I can't recall any. |
You can add the not sending off of the SWFC player in the home game for the penalty incident with Burns. | |
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| That disallowed goal on 08:42 - Mar 22 with 1419 views | Herbivore |
| That disallowed goal on 08:40 - Mar 22 by ITFC_Forever |
You can add the not sending off of the SWFC player in the home game for the penalty incident with Burns. |
Indeed. That one was more understandable to be fair, lino did well to spot it, but it's another potentially game changing decision that's gone against us. | |
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| That disallowed goal on 08:46 - Mar 22 with 1385 views | Chrisd |
| That disallowed goal on 07:41 - Mar 22 by GeoffSentence |
We can point to dodgy decisions in the key games against our promotion rivals, which both hurt us and benefit them. Don't think Barnsley or Sheffield Wednesday have the same benefit in games against us. |
Games against us yes, but we don’t know about games they’ve played against each other, apart from last night as we don’t follow them closely enough. | |
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| That disallowed goal on 08:50 - Mar 22 with 1369 views | Herbivore |
| That disallowed goal on 08:46 - Mar 22 by Chrisd |
Games against us yes, but we don’t know about games they’ve played against each other, apart from last night as we don’t follow them closely enough. |
If they've had dodgy decisions against them in those games then those decisions would be balancing out the gifts they got against us. What decisions have we had that have balanced things out in games against our rivals? | |
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| That disallowed goal on 08:53 - Mar 22 with 1355 views | patrickswell |
This thread is all well and good, but the fact remains that in 3 matches so far this season, we have conceded goals in stoppage time that ended up converting wins into draws. Plymouth have done that twice so far (at Portsmouth and Burton) and Wednesday haven’t done it at all. Also, neither of them have yet had the kind of run that we went through between the Charlton and Bristol Rovers games. I don’t believe either of them will now. Home Park and Hillsborough will suck the ball into the net if required as they play their remaining collection of lower half opposition. It’s inevitable and it would be peak us to beat Derby, Wycombe, Peterborough and Barnsley but drop points to Cheltenham, Port Vale or Fleetwood. |  | | |
| That disallowed goal on 09:46 - Mar 22 with 1205 views | Lord_Lucan |
| That disallowed goal on 06:42 - Mar 22 by ITFC_Forever |
Refs have cost us over 10 points this season, but equally, those clumsy draws haven’t helped either. |
Thing is, I'm sure if every team analysed their bad decisions they would find a few points they should have had.
Just got to wipe your mouth and move on I guess. |  |
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| That disallowed goal on 10:05 - Mar 22 with 1119 views | LankHenners |
| That disallowed goal on 08:50 - Mar 22 by Herbivore |
If they've had dodgy decisions against them in those games then those decisions would be balancing out the gifts they got against us. What decisions have we had that have balanced things out in games against our rivals? |
It feels like a lot of decisions/rotten luck that has gone against us has been at times where it's been very costly but any time we've benefitted from something it hasn't really affected the game.
Against us: Barnsley if that perfectly fine goal is given we probably see that out 3-1, Wednesday away the goal came so late that we might have hung on to 2-1 if it had correctly been disallowed, Fleetwood's jammiest of jammy equalisers coming so late we couldn't really do anything about it (although the last action of the game was Jackson getting shoved over in the box which the ref didn't give a pen for), Mumba's deflected goal in the last minute for Plymouth similarly gave us little time to take back the lead, the Oxford debacle.
For us: Chaplin got a deflected goal against Accrington away but we'd already won the game essentially, Morsy deflected goal against Charlton should have sealed the win but we won't go into what happened next, we got a fairly soft pen against Derby but it was a poor take and was saved and we won anyway with the goal we'd already scored, foul for 2nd pen against Rotherham arguably outside the box but we'd already won plus it was a cup game, Edwards sees a flukey cross fly in against Cambridge but again the game was already won, Accrington keeper perhaps harshly sent off but in the last min and result again already sealed.
Don't want to bemoan luck/poor refs too much as we've equally had games where we've let ourselves down and every team can point to things that have been harsh on them but frustrating that just a couple of small margins going our way would see us top 2 right now, possibly with a bit of comfort. When you see some of the goals that Plymouth have scored recently and some of the decisions that have gone their way it's hard not to think the football gods haven't been on our side this season at all. |  |
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