| Anybody else think the entire globe is about to go pop? 13:44 - Oct 5 with 4443 views | NthQldITFC |
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-67017021
The sort of outlandish jumps in the data we are seeing hardly seem possible with the supposed inertia in the Earth's biosphere, and yet there they are.
As ever, the uninformed will say, "it's only half a degree" or "goody, some nice warm weather", but the ramifications are mind-blowing.
These are the sort of hard natural constraints that our belief in the rightness and permanence of perpetual economic growth are coming up against now, and it won't be the economy that wins. |  |
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| Anybody else think the entire globe is about to go pop? on 14:12 - Oct 5 with 3605 views | Rimsy |
A 80 year graph is hardly representative of the 4 billion year old planet though is it. The trouble when anyone mentions 'since records began' and the like, is that said records have only been kept for the last 150 years or so, so again not very representative. |  |
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| Anybody else think the entire globe is about to go pop? on 14:20 - Oct 5 with 3585 views | StokieBlue |
| Anybody else think the entire globe is about to go pop? on 14:12 - Oct 5 by Rimsy |
A 80 year graph is hardly representative of the 4 billion year old planet though is it. The trouble when anyone mentions 'since records began' and the like, is that said records have only been kept for the last 150 years or so, so again not very representative. |
That's twaddle.
The planet will survive with or without us so a planetary timescale is irrelevant. One can of course point to times 200m years ago where the Earth was 10C warmer on average than it is now but not many animals alive today are evolved to thrive in those conditions.
Scientists can calculate climates without records needing to have been available but even if we stick to the period where they were available the trend is absolutely clear and the graphs are representative of that trend over the time period where we have had enough input to actually alter the atmosphere.
Usually changes in climate happen over large time periods, the fact we are seeing them over a short period with no obvious non-human source also makes the time period selected in graphs representative.
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| Anybody else think the entire globe is about to go pop? on 14:25 - Oct 5 with 3565 views | DanTheMan |
| Anybody else think the entire globe is about to go pop? on 14:12 - Oct 5 by Rimsy |
A 80 year graph is hardly representative of the 4 billion year old planet though is it. The trouble when anyone mentions 'since records began' and the like, is that said records have only been kept for the last 150 years or so, so again not very representative. |
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| Anybody else think the entire globe is about to go pop? on 14:33 - Oct 5 with 3538 views | NthQldITFC |
| Anybody else think the entire globe is about to go pop? on 14:12 - Oct 5 by Rimsy |
A 80 year graph is hardly representative of the 4 billion year old planet though is it. The trouble when anyone mentions 'since records began' and the like, is that said records have only been kept for the last 150 years or so, so again not very representative. |
The only considered, proportionate response to that is "lol".
Edit: ...but read the more mature and helpful responses from everybody else, not my angry, frustrated and pathetic reply. [Post edited 5 Oct 2023 14:41]
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| Anybody else think the entire globe is about to go pop? on 14:34 - Oct 5 with 3536 views | Darth_Koont |
| Anybody else think the entire globe is about to go pop? on 14:12 - Oct 5 by Rimsy |
A 80 year graph is hardly representative of the 4 billion year old planet though is it. The trouble when anyone mentions 'since records began' and the like, is that said records have only been kept for the last 150 years or so, so again not very representative. |
No, the baseline is the average global temp between 1991-2020.
So it’s showing that the global temperature has got warmer by 1.5 -2 degrees over the past 80-odd years. Reflecting the increased emissions of a planet that’s massively increased its total production and consumption without implementing the necessary measures to minimise the consequences.
These temperature rises are largely built in now given greenhouse gas levels are historic and would barely change if we managed to emit nothing during 2024.
Unfortunately, we seem mentally unequipped to deal with reality. |  |
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| Anybody else think the entire globe is about to go pop? on 18:48 - Oct 5 with 3370 views | factual_blue |
| Anybody else think the entire globe is about to go pop? on 14:12 - Oct 5 by Rimsy |
A 80 year graph is hardly representative of the 4 billion year old planet though is it. The trouble when anyone mentions 'since records began' and the like, is that said records have only been kept for the last 150 years or so, so again not very representative. |
Are you nigel lawson? |  |
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| Anybody else think the entire globe is about to go pop? on 20:10 - Oct 5 with 3310 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
If it happens before we re-establish ourselves in the Premier League and qualify for Europe I will be LIVID. |  |
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| Anybody else think the entire globe is about to go pop? on 20:33 - Oct 5 with 3271 views | factual_blue |
| Anybody else think the entire globe is about to go pop? on 14:12 - Oct 5 by Rimsy |
A 80 year graph is hardly representative of the 4 billion year old planet though is it. The trouble when anyone mentions 'since records began' and the like, is that said records have only been kept for the last 150 years or so, so again not very representative. |
Your intellectual peers will remind you that the planet, and indeed all of creation, is actually 6,000 years old.
Don't get beguiled by this 4 billion years woke, lefty claptrap. | |
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| Anybody else think the entire globe is about to go pop? on 20:49 - Oct 5 with 3238 views | Swansea_Blue |
It won’t go pop, but conditions for life on Earth are changing super fast. I heard an interesting interview the other day with someone from some bird organisation (not RSPB) who was talking about the changes we’re seeing in the UK in our bird population. Certain resident birds are shifting their habitat range north, with those that already preferred northern climes at risk of leaving the UK all together (e.g. sea birds that rely on colder water for their food, like puffins). And then at the other end of the spectrum rare summer visitors are becoming more common, shifting further north and even starting to breed here rather than migrate.
That’s just one example of how warming is having an impact. There are plenty more examples in the animal and plant world (e.g. warming coastal and river water is a major factor in the collapse of migratory salmonoids).
And that’s before we start to think about the impact on humans, ranging from the cost of more regular extreme weather events, rising sea levels, higher incidents of flash flooding, health impact of heatwaves, increased likelihood and intensity of wildfires, etc.
Yet people still brush it off, ignore it, or worst actively undermine anyone who tries to raise awareness and/or do anything about it. For the dominant, most intelligent species on the planet we really are stupid. [Post edited 5 Oct 2023 20:50]
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| Anybody else think the entire globe is about to go pop? on 21:18 - Oct 5 with 3203 views | WeWereZombies |
| Anybody else think the entire globe is about to go pop? on 20:49 - Oct 5 by Swansea_Blue |
It won’t go pop, but conditions for life on Earth are changing super fast. I heard an interesting interview the other day with someone from some bird organisation (not RSPB) who was talking about the changes we’re seeing in the UK in our bird population. Certain resident birds are shifting their habitat range north, with those that already preferred northern climes at risk of leaving the UK all together (e.g. sea birds that rely on colder water for their food, like puffins). And then at the other end of the spectrum rare summer visitors are becoming more common, shifting further north and even starting to breed here rather than migrate.
That’s just one example of how warming is having an impact. There are plenty more examples in the animal and plant world (e.g. warming coastal and river water is a major factor in the collapse of migratory salmonoids).
And that’s before we start to think about the impact on humans, ranging from the cost of more regular extreme weather events, rising sea levels, higher incidents of flash flooding, health impact of heatwaves, increased likelihood and intensity of wildfires, etc.
Yet people still brush it off, ignore it, or worst actively undermine anyone who tries to raise awareness and/or do anything about it. For the dominant, most intelligent species on the planet we really are stupid. [Post edited 5 Oct 2023 20:50]
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This report ?
https://www.bto.org/our-science/publications/research-reports/climate-change-and |  |
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| Anybody else think the entire globe is about to go pop? on 21:39 - Oct 5 with 3176 views | Daninthecampo |
36C in Andalucia today and an October record of 38.2 in Cordoba on Sunday. Stupid temps for October! |  | | |
| Anybody else think the entire globe is about to go pop? on 08:54 - Oct 6 with 2989 views | Rimsy |
| Anybody else think the entire globe is about to go pop? on 14:20 - Oct 5 by StokieBlue |
That's twaddle.
The planet will survive with or without us so a planetary timescale is irrelevant. One can of course point to times 200m years ago where the Earth was 10C warmer on average than it is now but not many animals alive today are evolved to thrive in those conditions.
Scientists can calculate climates without records needing to have been available but even if we stick to the period where they were available the trend is absolutely clear and the graphs are representative of that trend over the time period where we have had enough input to actually alter the atmosphere.
Usually changes in climate happen over large time periods, the fact we are seeing them over a short period with no obvious non-human source also makes the time period selected in graphs representative.
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I remember in the early 80's 'scientists' saying we were heading for the next ice age, then we were all going to fry because of the hole in the ozone layer (all which were backed up by statistics) Current narrative is climate change (note they've dropped global warming). The gullability of people astounds me. Now that's not to say I'm not in favour of cutting emissions for better air quality. | |
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| Anybody else think the entire globe is about to go pop? on 08:56 - Oct 6 with 2985 views | WeWereZombies |
| Anybody else think the entire globe is about to go pop? on 08:54 - Oct 6 by Rimsy |
I remember in the early 80's 'scientists' saying we were heading for the next ice age, then we were all going to fry because of the hole in the ozone layer (all which were backed up by statistics) Current narrative is climate change (note they've dropped global warming). The gullability of people astounds me. Now that's not to say I'm not in favour of cutting emissions for better air quality. |
Global warming is indeed no longer a 'thing'...because we are progressing into the phase of global heating. | |
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| Anybody else think the entire globe is about to go pop? on 09:42 - Oct 6 with 2958 views | StokieBlue |
| Anybody else think the entire globe is about to go pop? on 08:54 - Oct 6 by Rimsy |
I remember in the early 80's 'scientists' saying we were heading for the next ice age, then we were all going to fry because of the hole in the ozone layer (all which were backed up by statistics) Current narrative is climate change (note they've dropped global warming). The gullability of people astounds me. Now that's not to say I'm not in favour of cutting emissions for better air quality. |
For the record, anyone who puts scientists in quotes has a clear agenda and usually not one based in science.
With regards to your 'content', scientists were not saying we were heading for an ice age, they were theorising about a possible scenario of "global cooling" [1] driven by aerosol emissions and the scientists proposing this were in the minority.
The issues with the Ozone layer were nothing to do with climate, it was about removing a layer from the atmosphere which protects us from UV rays and thus things like skin cancer [2]. It was a very real issue which the world came together to tackle and that is why you don't hear much about it nowadays - it was a success story for a change.
Climate change isn't a new narrative, it's a clear trend which is accelerating. They no longer use global warming as a warming planet can actually make some places colder (for instance if the gulf stream stops then the UK will have similar winter temperatures to Moscow).
Calling people gullible because you don't understand/haven't researched these concepts isn't a good look, in fact one could make the same accusation at you in that you've clearly read a narrative you agree with and haven't bother to look into it as it re-enforces your existing views.
Air pollution emissions are totally different from climate change emissions.
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[1]. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_cooling
[2]. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ozone_depletion | | | |
| Anybody else think the entire globe is about to go pop? on 09:55 - Oct 6 with 2944 views | Swansea_Blue |
Yeah, I think it was those guys. Thanks 👍 | |
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| Anybody else think the entire globe is about to go pop? on 10:20 - Oct 6 with 2920 views | Rimsy |
| Anybody else think the entire globe is about to go pop? on 09:42 - Oct 6 by StokieBlue |
For the record, anyone who puts scientists in quotes has a clear agenda and usually not one based in science.
With regards to your 'content', scientists were not saying we were heading for an ice age, they were theorising about a possible scenario of "global cooling" [1] driven by aerosol emissions and the scientists proposing this were in the minority.
The issues with the Ozone layer were nothing to do with climate, it was about removing a layer from the atmosphere which protects us from UV rays and thus things like skin cancer [2]. It was a very real issue which the world came together to tackle and that is why you don't hear much about it nowadays - it was a success story for a change.
Climate change isn't a new narrative, it's a clear trend which is accelerating. They no longer use global warming as a warming planet can actually make some places colder (for instance if the gulf stream stops then the UK will have similar winter temperatures to Moscow).
Calling people gullible because you don't understand/haven't researched these concepts isn't a good look, in fact one could make the same accusation at you in that you've clearly read a narrative you agree with and haven't bother to look into it as it re-enforces your existing views.
Air pollution emissions are totally different from climate change emissions.
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[1]. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_cooling
[2]. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ozone_depletion |
But you have an agenda yourself. Do you just dismiss anyone with differing views to your own? I have indeed read both sides of the debate, and it's not as clear cut as we are constantly being told. You are entitled to your views, however you come to your conclusions, as am I. | |
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| Anybody else think the entire globe is about to go pop? on 10:21 - Oct 6 with 2914 views | NthQldITFC |
| Anybody else think the entire globe is about to go pop? on 08:54 - Oct 6 by Rimsy |
I remember in the early 80's 'scientists' saying we were heading for the next ice age, then we were all going to fry because of the hole in the ozone layer (all which were backed up by statistics) Current narrative is climate change (note they've dropped global warming). The gullability of people astounds me. Now that's not to say I'm not in favour of cutting emissions for better air quality. |
I honestly don't believe that you're that stupid, however much you pretend to be. You write too clearly for that. Stupidity is understandable, but manipulative dishonesty is insidious and gives you a burden of culpability to carry. | |
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| Anybody else think the entire globe is about to go pop? on 10:24 - Oct 6 with 2907 views | leitrimblue |
| Anybody else think the entire globe is about to go pop? on 10:20 - Oct 6 by Rimsy |
But you have an agenda yourself. Do you just dismiss anyone with differing views to your own? I have indeed read both sides of the debate, and it's not as clear cut as we are constantly being told. You are entitled to your views, however you come to your conclusions, as am I. |
Perhaps you could post some links to the other side of the debate? Then perhaps we could all have ago ad judging how clear cut it is |  | | |
| Anybody else think the entire globe is about to go pop? on 10:31 - Oct 6 with 2890 views | StokieBlue |
| Anybody else think the entire globe is about to go pop? on 10:20 - Oct 6 by Rimsy |
But you have an agenda yourself. Do you just dismiss anyone with differing views to your own? I have indeed read both sides of the debate, and it's not as clear cut as we are constantly being told. You are entitled to your views, however you come to your conclusions, as am I. |
Ah, the "but both sides" argument.
One of the worst things about modern society.
I don't dismiss differing views, I look at views which are backed by science. You posted three points in your last post, they were all incorrect and not supported by science (I provided the sources proving that). If you have actual evidence supporting your view that it's "not clear cut" and that your previous three points were valid then please post it.
The usual next step from here is that you say you're entitled to your opinion and that it should hold equal weight to that of experts.
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| Anybody else think the entire globe is about to go pop? on 10:33 - Oct 6 with 2874 views | DanTheMan |
| Anybody else think the entire globe is about to go pop? on 10:20 - Oct 6 by Rimsy |
But you have an agenda yourself. Do you just dismiss anyone with differing views to your own? I have indeed read both sides of the debate, and it's not as clear cut as we are constantly being told. You are entitled to your views, however you come to your conclusions, as am I. |
"and it's not as clear cut as we are constantly being told"
It really is. And so far you've just spouted nonsense arguments with nothing to back it up and when challenged you've moved onto a different argument.
Honestly thought people had moved past this. | |
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| Anybody else think the entire globe is about to go pop? on 10:39 - Oct 6 with 2848 views | hype313 |
| Anybody else think the entire globe is about to go pop? on 10:33 - Oct 6 by DanTheMan |
"and it's not as clear cut as we are constantly being told"
It really is. And so far you've just spouted nonsense arguments with nothing to back it up and when challenged you've moved onto a different argument.
Honestly thought people had moved past this. |
Indeed, as as nice as it is having 24 degrees in October, it's also incredibly alarming. |  |
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| Anybody else think the entire globe is about to go pop? on 10:49 - Oct 6 with 2833 views | DanTheMan |
| Anybody else think the entire globe is about to go pop? on 08:56 - Oct 6 by WeWereZombies |
Global warming is indeed no longer a 'thing'...because we are progressing into the phase of global heating. |
Just to add onto this, global warming is still a thing, it's used to describe part of climate change, the warming part.
Climate change is the result of the increase in temperature e.g. more extreme weather, melting glaciers, higher sea levels...
To add to this, here is a report from 1956 using the term climate change.
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/j.2153-3490.1956.tb01206.x | |
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| Anybody else think the entire globe is about to go pop? on 10:59 - Oct 6 with 2821 views | HankScorpio |
| Anybody else think the entire globe is about to go pop? on 08:54 - Oct 6 by Rimsy |
I remember in the early 80's 'scientists' saying we were heading for the next ice age, then we were all going to fry because of the hole in the ozone layer (all which were backed up by statistics) Current narrative is climate change (note they've dropped global warming). The gullability of people astounds me. Now that's not to say I'm not in favour of cutting emissions for better air quality. |
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| Anybody else think the entire globe is about to go pop? on 11:05 - Oct 6 with 2812 views | wkj |
| Anybody else think the entire globe is about to go pop? on 10:59 - Oct 6 by HankScorpio |
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I have no idea who you are, but you are the gift that keeps giving on this forum, before its much needed cleanse anyhow. |  |
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| Anybody else think the entire globe is about to go pop? on 11:35 - Oct 6 with 2760 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Anybody else think the entire globe is about to go pop? on 08:54 - Oct 6 by Rimsy |
I remember in the early 80's 'scientists' saying we were heading for the next ice age, then we were all going to fry because of the hole in the ozone layer (all which were backed up by statistics) Current narrative is climate change (note they've dropped global warming). The gullability of people astounds me. Now that's not to say I'm not in favour of cutting emissions for better air quality. |
There is a chance that the UK and western Europe could experience localised cooling, especially in the winters. But as a result of global warming. There's a lot of concern that if the recent, unprecedented weakening of the Atlantic Meridional Overturning Circulation (AMOC) continues, it could effectively shut off the Gulf Stream (or significantly weaken it beyond a point of return). It's unlikely to trigger an ice age, but it could potentially feel like it had in the UK if we lose the warmer water and air brought to us by the Gulf Stream. It'd be a bit of a game changer. We're talking decades away, but it wasn't that long ago that we were being warned of global warming back in the 80s and 90s. Most of what was predicted is coming true. | |
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