| Bannan red card a bit harsh. on 19:29 - Nov 4 with 3628 views | Churchman |
Looked a bit harsh to me. He wasn’t last man. Hey ho.
Maybe he sent him off because he doesn’t like Bannan. Reason enough as far as I’m concerned. |  | |  |
| Bannan red card a bit harsh. on 19:32 - Nov 4 with 3605 views | Illinoisblue |
| Bannan red card a bit harsh. on 19:29 - Nov 4 by Churchman |
Looked a bit harsh to me. He wasn’t last man. Hey ho.
Maybe he sent him off because he doesn’t like Bannan. Reason enough as far as I’m concerned. |
It looked incredibly harsh. Oh well. And after all that effort to get out of L1. |  |
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| Bannan red card a bit harsh. on 19:34 - Nov 4 with 3595 views | RKD |
Barry ban en |  |
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| Bannan red card a bit harsh. on 19:34 - Nov 4 with 3597 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Bannan red card a bit harsh. on 19:29 - Nov 4 by Churchman |
Looked a bit harsh to me. He wasn’t last man. Hey ho.
Maybe he sent him off because he doesn’t like Bannan. Reason enough as far as I’m concerned. |
The player was going through into the box with just the keeper to beat. The rule says "clear goal-scoring opportunity". I think that was a cynical foul from Bannan and a nailed-on red card. I would be disappointed if an opposition player stayed on doing that against us and mightily relieved if one of ours had done it and got a yellow. |  |
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| Bannan red card a bit harsh. on 19:38 - Nov 4 with 3561 views | BigCommon |
The woodwork at one end, has been cruel to City lately..... |  | | |
| Bannan red card a bit harsh. on 19:43 - Nov 4 with 3525 views | Swansea_Blue |
Very harsh. Covering man behind the keeper. No attempt from the forward to play the ball. It was clumsy, but 50% bought.
I couldn’t get tickets for today and so took the lad down to Swansea. It was an early contender for the worst referring performance the season from Bobby Madley - just completely inept. And we thought we’d left this sort of incompetence behind in L1  |  |
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| Bannan red card a bit harsh. on 19:49 - Nov 4 with 3474 views | Illinoisblue |
| Bannan red card a bit harsh. on 19:34 - Nov 4 by Nthsuffolkblue |
The player was going through into the box with just the keeper to beat. The rule says "clear goal-scoring opportunity". I think that was a cynical foul from Bannan and a nailed-on red card. I would be disappointed if an opposition player stayed on doing that against us and mightily relieved if one of ours had done it and got a yellow. |
“Just the keeper to beat”. Erm, and a covering defender.
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| Bannan red card a bit harsh. on 19:52 - Nov 4 with 3439 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Bannan red card a bit harsh. on 19:49 - Nov 4 by Illinoisblue |
“Just the keeper to beat”. Erm, and a covering defender.
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I wonder what the xG would be judged to be from that position. I would expect a striker to score a good proportion of times from there. That, to me, is a clear goalscoring position. Bannan brought him down before he got to the box to ensure it wasn't a penalty. | |
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| Bannan red card a bit harsh. on 19:58 - Nov 4 with 3398 views | jayessess |
| Bannan red card a bit harsh. on 19:49 - Nov 4 by Illinoisblue |
“Just the keeper to beat”. Erm, and a covering defender.
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Don't see that the covering defender makes much odds to it being a clear goalscoring opportunity, really? If the attacker hits a decent shot that beats the keeper, the guy on the line isn't going to make much difference. |  |
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| Bannan red card a bit harsh. on 20:06 - Nov 4 with 3342 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Bannan red card a bit harsh. on 19:58 - Nov 4 by jayessess |
Don't see that the covering defender makes much odds to it being a clear goalscoring opportunity, really? If the attacker hits a decent shot that beats the keeper, the guy on the line isn't going to make much difference. |
Indeed, you also have to take into account there are two other forwards to feed off any pieces should the defender on the line be able to make a block. | |
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| Bannan red card a bit harsh. on 21:29 - Nov 4 with 3139 views | WD19 |
| Bannan red card a bit harsh. on 19:52 - Nov 4 by Nthsuffolkblue |
I wonder what the xG would be judged to be from that position. I would expect a striker to score a good proportion of times from there. That, to me, is a clear goalscoring position. Bannan brought him down before he got to the box to ensure it wasn't a penalty. |
Definitely a hairline decision.
He probably got sent off because he has got a dreadful one…. |  | | |
| Bannan red card a bit harsh. on 23:48 - Nov 4 with 2897 views | Churchman |
| Bannan red card a bit harsh. on 19:49 - Nov 4 by Illinoisblue |
“Just the keeper to beat”. Erm, and a covering defender.
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That’s why I thought it harsh. I don’t know the current ruling on this but it used to be that if there was another player besides the keeper in front of the forward it was a yellow.
Anyway, Bannan is an orrible little man so no sympathy from me.
Wednesday, despite some improvement with the new chap, look as dead as Elvis to me. Given their outstanding season (bar two clubs) 2022/23, they’ve made a real pigs ear of the Championship this time around.
Just shows, if the club isn’t right at the top, you have no chance. And Wednesday are stuck with a real pillock in Chansiri. | | | |
| Bannan red card a bit harsh. on 08:58 - Nov 5 with 2573 views | cbower |
Such a poor decision. Be interesting to see an Xg for that chance with still a keeper and defender covering the goal. |  |
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| Bannan red card a bit harsh. on 09:02 - Nov 5 with 2557 views | brogansnose |
I've still not forgiven Bannan for the assault on David McG so stuff the horrible scrote. |  | | |
| Bannan red card a bit harsh. on 09:40 - Nov 5 with 2502 views | PhilTWTD |
| Bannan red card a bit harsh. on 09:02 - Nov 5 by brogansnose |
I've still not forgiven Bannan for the assault on David McG so stuff the horrible scrote. |
Unless you're thinking of a different incident, the groin-high challenge wasn't him, it was Glenn Loovens.
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| Bannan red card a bit harsh. on 10:06 - Nov 5 with 2473 views | brogansnose |
| Bannan red card a bit harsh. on 09:40 - Nov 5 by PhilTWTD |
Unless you're thinking of a different incident, the groin-high challenge wasn't him, it was Glenn Loovens.
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I'm still having him on the basis of collective guilt Phil. | | | |
| Bannan red card a bit harsh. on 10:11 - Nov 5 with 2449 views | Churchman |
| Bannan red card a bit harsh. on 10:06 - Nov 5 by brogansnose |
I'm still having him on the basis of collective guilt Phil. |
And he’s an angry, annoying runt that deserves it.
Only fair. | | | |
| Bannan red card a bit harsh. on 10:15 - Nov 5 with 2429 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Bannan red card a bit harsh. on 23:48 - Nov 4 by Churchman |
That’s why I thought it harsh. I don’t know the current ruling on this but it used to be that if there was another player besides the keeper in front of the forward it was a yellow.
Anyway, Bannan is an orrible little man so no sympathy from me.
Wednesday, despite some improvement with the new chap, look as dead as Elvis to me. Given their outstanding season (bar two clubs) 2022/23, they’ve made a real pigs ear of the Championship this time around.
Just shows, if the club isn’t right at the top, you have no chance. And Wednesday are stuck with a real pillock in Chansiri. |
It was a much clearer goalscoring opportunity than Grant Holt on the halfway against Damien Delaney!
Were you surprised to see them nearly score from the resultant free kick with the whole Wednesday team and keeper between it and the goal? Had the player been left to run through, do you think him and the other two attacking players would have stood less chance to score against the keeper and one defender? | |
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| Bannan red card a bit harsh. on 10:53 - Nov 5 with 2346 views | Churchman |
| Bannan red card a bit harsh. on 10:15 - Nov 5 by Nthsuffolkblue |
It was a much clearer goalscoring opportunity than Grant Holt on the halfway against Damien Delaney!
Were you surprised to see them nearly score from the resultant free kick with the whole Wednesday team and keeper between it and the goal? Had the player been left to run through, do you think him and the other two attacking players would have stood less chance to score against the keeper and one defender? |
No, but is that the point? If sendings off are based purely on probability you could in theory have five players between the attacker and the goal and still send off a defender for a foul. Where do you draw the line and how do you judge something so subjective?
My understanding was that if there was another player in addition to the keeper in front of the attacker or a player that could get across, then if he’s brought down, it’s a yellow. But tbh I don’t know the wording of the rules - maybe a fellow poster does?
I’d obliterated the horror of the Holt/Delaney event from my mind. Looking it up, there’s nobody between him and the goal bar the keeper. There are a couple of Ipswich players either side. Could they have got to him? With our team at the time, I doubt it, but Holt was on the half way line.
Was Delaney more deserving of a red on that occasion than Mutant was yesterday? We go back to the wording of the rules. | | | |
| Bannan red card a bit harsh. on 11:09 - Nov 5 with 2325 views | jayessess |
| Bannan red card a bit harsh. on 10:53 - Nov 5 by Churchman |
No, but is that the point? If sendings off are based purely on probability you could in theory have five players between the attacker and the goal and still send off a defender for a foul. Where do you draw the line and how do you judge something so subjective?
My understanding was that if there was another player in addition to the keeper in front of the attacker or a player that could get across, then if he’s brought down, it’s a yellow. But tbh I don’t know the wording of the rules - maybe a fellow poster does?
I’d obliterated the horror of the Holt/Delaney event from my mind. Looking it up, there’s nobody between him and the goal bar the keeper. There are a couple of Ipswich players either side. Could they have got to him? With our team at the time, I doubt it, but Holt was on the half way line.
Was Delaney more deserving of a red on that occasion than Mutant was yesterday? We go back to the wording of the rules. |
In the rule book it's: "denying a goal or an obvious goal-scoring opportunity to an opponent whose overall movement is towards the offender's goal by an offence punishable by a free kick".
I think it's inherently subjective what constitutes an "obvious goal-scoring opportunity" but certainly not unreasonable to regard this as one. If the Bristol City forward gets a shot past the keeper and on target, he's 90% certain to score, irrespective of the covering defender.
I think the general convention on covering defenders is about tackling. If there's a defender available to tackle you, that's an obstacle you have to surmount before you can have a clear attempt at goal. I don't think it applies to defenders on the line. | |
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| Bannan red card a bit harsh. on 15:14 - Nov 5 with 2181 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Bannan red card a bit harsh. on 10:53 - Nov 5 by Churchman |
No, but is that the point? If sendings off are based purely on probability you could in theory have five players between the attacker and the goal and still send off a defender for a foul. Where do you draw the line and how do you judge something so subjective?
My understanding was that if there was another player in addition to the keeper in front of the attacker or a player that could get across, then if he’s brought down, it’s a yellow. But tbh I don’t know the wording of the rules - maybe a fellow poster does?
I’d obliterated the horror of the Holt/Delaney event from my mind. Looking it up, there’s nobody between him and the goal bar the keeper. There are a couple of Ipswich players either side. Could they have got to him? With our team at the time, I doubt it, but Holt was on the half way line.
Was Delaney more deserving of a red on that occasion than Mutant was yesterday? We go back to the wording of the rules. |
As Jay says, the rule is "denying a clear goalscoring opportunity" which by definition requires that objectivity. It is effectively asking the referee to decide, "would you expect a player to be likely to score?" Another way of putting it is "why would the player commit the foul there?" It is also why they tend to make that foul further up the pitch so that it is only a yellow card and avoid leaving a defender to make it on the edge of the box instead.
In Holt's case he had far too much to do. He wasn't going to shoot from the halfway line and how often do you see a pacy striker run from halfway and then beat the keeper. Of course those covering defenders would have caught him. Anyway, better forgotten than discussed! | |
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| Bannan red card a bit harsh. on 16:25 - Nov 5 with 2070 views | Churchman |
| Bannan red card a bit harsh. on 15:14 - Nov 5 by Nthsuffolkblue |
As Jay says, the rule is "denying a clear goalscoring opportunity" which by definition requires that objectivity. It is effectively asking the referee to decide, "would you expect a player to be likely to score?" Another way of putting it is "why would the player commit the foul there?" It is also why they tend to make that foul further up the pitch so that it is only a yellow card and avoid leaving a defender to make it on the edge of the box instead.
In Holt's case he had far too much to do. He wasn't going to shoot from the halfway line and how often do you see a pacy striker run from halfway and then beat the keeper. Of course those covering defenders would have caught him. Anyway, better forgotten than discussed! |
Fair enough. Ta for that both.
Wow, who’d be a ref? | | | |
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