| This blood scandal 12:46 - May 20 with 2767 views | noggin |
Echos of the Hillsborough cover up. Disgusting. |  |
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| This blood scandal on 13:05 - May 20 with 2730 views | Linners |
I suspect the 'who knew what and when' bit is going to be pretty ugly. It's been one of those relatively low noise news items for a while but you're right, it's a hideous scandal. |  | | |
| This blood scandal on 13:21 - May 20 with 2665 views | Help |
Post office. How many scandals are there going to be. One after another and politicians wonder why the voting public don't trust them. At the end of the day whatever compensation is given it will come out of taxes only we pay and not the mega rich who avoid paying tax . |  |
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| This blood scandal on 13:27 - May 20 with 2646 views | lowhouseblue |
it's a very long list: hillsborough, lawrence, gids, post office, windrush .... a long history of public bodies evading scrutiny and challenge. |  |
| And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show |
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| This blood scandal on 13:38 - May 20 with 2577 views | BloomBlue |
Public bodies are always exempt from responsibilities. The police at Hillsborough, the NHS and successive governments with this blood scandal, the post office etc etc.
Theresa May was an idiot but at least she started this public enquiry but all previous PMs had refused one. |  | | |
| This blood scandal on 13:39 - May 20 with 2577 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| This blood scandal on 13:27 - May 20 by lowhouseblue |
it's a very long list: hillsborough, lawrence, gids, post office, windrush .... a long history of public bodies evading scrutiny and challenge. |
Yep, almost like it’s humans that are the problem, and not specifically the private sector as is so frequently argued on here. Assuming the state to be inherently more competent, honest, and working in our best interest is naive, and just isn’t backed up by any history.
The establishment is always going to protect themselves and their interests in the same way corporations do. [Post edited 20 May 2024 13:40]
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| This blood scandal on 13:56 - May 20 with 2498 views | Illinoisblue |
| This blood scandal on 13:27 - May 20 by lowhouseblue |
it's a very long list: hillsborough, lawrence, gids, post office, windrush .... a long history of public bodies evading scrutiny and challenge. |
The Post Office stuff enrages me. It’s beyond belief. If it was a film you’d be like, oh that’s ridiculously far-fetched and could never happen. |  |
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| This blood scandal on 14:05 - May 20 with 2459 views | BlueBadger |
| This blood scandal on 13:27 - May 20 by lowhouseblue |
it's a very long list: hillsborough, lawrence, gids, post office, windrush .... a long history of public bodies evading scrutiny and challenge. |
Happening right now with Covid, as well. |  |
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| This blood scandal on 14:06 - May 20 with 2458 views | lowhouseblue |
| This blood scandal on 13:39 - May 20 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
Yep, almost like it’s humans that are the problem, and not specifically the private sector as is so frequently argued on here. Assuming the state to be inherently more competent, honest, and working in our best interest is naive, and just isn’t backed up by any history.
The establishment is always going to protect themselves and their interests in the same way corporations do. [Post edited 20 May 2024 13:40]
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in bits of the public sector at a senior level there can be a tendency towards group think and arrogance. we're acting the public interest; we know what the public interest is; and we're very good and clever. it leads to institutional dismissal of challenge and an instinct for cover-up. | |
| And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show |
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| This blood scandal on 14:16 - May 20 with 2412 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
You can understand why people have conspiracy theories over things like covid jabs when you hear about scandals like this. |  |
| Trust the process. Trust Phil. |
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| This blood scandal on 14:26 - May 20 with 2365 views | whymark4lazio0 |
Is there any UK institution that's NOT corrupt? Hillsborough, Windrush, Grenfell, Dodgy Dossier, Phone Hacking, Met Police, MPs expenses, PPE Equipment, Covid parties, Post Office and now Infected Blood. I'm sure that's not an extensive list. Which have I missed? Is it any wonder we're cynical? | |
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| This blood scandal on 14:37 - May 20 with 2334 views | baxterbasics |
| This blood scandal on 14:26 - May 20 by whymark4lazio0 |
Is there any UK institution that's NOT corrupt? Hillsborough, Windrush, Grenfell, Dodgy Dossier, Phone Hacking, Met Police, MPs expenses, PPE Equipment, Covid parties, Post Office and now Infected Blood. I'm sure that's not an extensive list. Which have I missed? Is it any wonder we're cynical? |
Part and parcel of large institutions with big budgets and big bureaucracies. Always going to be corruption, as well as plain unintentional mis-management. The UK is far from the worst across even the developed world. The difference is when you have (relative) freedom of information and speech these things eventually come out. |  |
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| This blood scandal on 14:52 - May 20 with 2295 views | whymark4lazio0 |
| This blood scandal on 14:37 - May 20 by baxterbasics |
Part and parcel of large institutions with big budgets and big bureaucracies. Always going to be corruption, as well as plain unintentional mis-management. The UK is far from the worst across even the developed world. The difference is when you have (relative) freedom of information and speech these things eventually come out. |
Largely agree but I think we should not tolerate this level of corruption. One lesson to be learned from most of these scandals:- Once it begins to become clear that there has been a scandal, govts (of whichever colour) should be far quicker to acknowledge, apologise, serve justice (who has served time for any of these scandals?) and pay compensation.
PS - I missed a huge scandal- the banking crisis. | |
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| This blood scandal on 14:58 - May 20 with 2283 views | baxterbasics |
| This blood scandal on 14:52 - May 20 by whymark4lazio0 |
Largely agree but I think we should not tolerate this level of corruption. One lesson to be learned from most of these scandals:- Once it begins to become clear that there has been a scandal, govts (of whichever colour) should be far quicker to acknowledge, apologise, serve justice (who has served time for any of these scandals?) and pay compensation.
PS - I missed a huge scandal- the banking crisis. |
It's definitely true of the UK that the investigative wheels start turning far too slowly with our civil institutions still stuck in 20th (or even 19th) century mode. | |
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| This blood scandal on 15:27 - May 20 with 2233 views | bluelagos |
Is why many people are supportive of a Hillsborough Law- to include equality of funding (for the bereaved at inquiries/inquests) and a duty of candour for public officials that would make it a crime to lie at a public inquiry.
It was conceived by lawyers (Pete Weatherby and Elkan Abrahamson) who represented a number of Hillsborough families at the conclusion of the inquests where the dishonest lies / cover up of multiple SYP were shown to the world in all their glory.
The fact that multiple police lied and misled public inquiries and inquests yet that was not criminal (as the inquiry were not deemed to be a court) meant that "perverting the course of justice" could not be applied - it was and remains perfectly legal cover up the truth outside of a legal setting.
Current justice secretary Alex Chalk in his response (in December) to the Bishop's report into the cover up - which recommended the govt adopt the porposed law in full - he basically came up with a "code of conduct" type duty of candour for the police - completely toothless and pointless imho.
Why govt officials refuse to take the appropriate action I have no idea - but yet another public apology is worthless if it isn't backed up by actions to try and address/prevent future cover ups. Criminalising them would be a start but as ever jack sh1t is done.
Feel free to ask your MP whether they are supportive of a Hillsborough Law and if not, why not. And don't let them gaslight you by telling you they are bringing in changes - what they are bringing in is not what is being asked for.
MPs Maria Eagle and Ian Byrne worth a follow on twitter if interested in the topic as they are doing most to push this change of law. |  |
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| This blood scandal on 15:46 - May 20 with 2194 views | bluelagos |
| This blood scandal on 15:27 - May 20 by bluelagos |
Is why many people are supportive of a Hillsborough Law- to include equality of funding (for the bereaved at inquiries/inquests) and a duty of candour for public officials that would make it a crime to lie at a public inquiry.
It was conceived by lawyers (Pete Weatherby and Elkan Abrahamson) who represented a number of Hillsborough families at the conclusion of the inquests where the dishonest lies / cover up of multiple SYP were shown to the world in all their glory.
The fact that multiple police lied and misled public inquiries and inquests yet that was not criminal (as the inquiry were not deemed to be a court) meant that "perverting the course of justice" could not be applied - it was and remains perfectly legal cover up the truth outside of a legal setting.
Current justice secretary Alex Chalk in his response (in December) to the Bishop's report into the cover up - which recommended the govt adopt the porposed law in full - he basically came up with a "code of conduct" type duty of candour for the police - completely toothless and pointless imho.
Why govt officials refuse to take the appropriate action I have no idea - but yet another public apology is worthless if it isn't backed up by actions to try and address/prevent future cover ups. Criminalising them would be a start but as ever jack sh1t is done.
Feel free to ask your MP whether they are supportive of a Hillsborough Law and if not, why not. And don't let them gaslight you by telling you they are bringing in changes - what they are bringing in is not what is being asked for.
MPs Maria Eagle and Ian Byrne worth a follow on twitter if interested in the topic as they are doing most to push this change of law. |
Even the chair of today's report supports a duty of candour, yet our government continues to fail to legislate.
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| This blood scandal on 15:52 - May 20 with 2181 views | BloomBlue |
| This blood scandal on 14:16 - May 20 by The_Flashing_Smile |
You can understand why people have conspiracy theories over things like covid jabs when you hear about scandals like this. |
Precisely. The people affected by this were told by the 'experts' it was safe, trust the experts.
Similar situation with the covid jabs. When people said no, others moaned at them and said 'trust the experts'.
All scandals like this will only create resistance to any mass vaccination in the future, in terms of 'trust the experts' | | | |
| This blood scandal on 16:37 - May 20 with 2126 views | Swansea_Blue |
| This blood scandal on 13:21 - May 20 by Help |
Post office. How many scandals are there going to be. One after another and politicians wonder why the voting public don't trust them. At the end of the day whatever compensation is given it will come out of taxes only we pay and not the mega rich who avoid paying tax . |
A short comment her in the Gruniad that is quite interesting in setting the scene:
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/jan/14/post-office-grenfell-windr |  |
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| This blood scandal on 18:16 - May 20 with 2014 views | Mullet |
I believe it's bluebudgie who has been raising this repeatedly on here. |  |
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