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Vote for them if you must but be in no doubt.... 23:17 - May 31 with 10554 viewsBanksterDebtSlave

....it will just be more of the same.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/article/2024/may/31/faiza-shaheen-labo

'But after months of being isolated and bullied, including being stripped of paid organiser support when I was seven months pregnant, I should have known this was coming. The real reason for it all? I’m too interested in wealth inequality, public ownership and Palestine to be welcomed in today’s Labour party.'

Edit....personally I will have no part in it....a plague on all their houses.
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Vote for them if you must but be in no doubt.... on 06:58 - Jun 1 with 4852 viewsBlueBadger

Perhaps if the Dear Leader she cites in that article has actually bothered to do something about antisemitism in the first place rather than denying, dithering and delaying any kind of action she might now be able to voice her opinions on the disgusting nature of the ongoing actions of an Israel government bent on systematic abuses of human rights and being able to have a grown up debate rather than being stuck with an unimaginative plodder who feels obliged to to come down like a ton of bricks on any kind of grumbling about it now.
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Vote for them if you must but be in no doubt.... on 07:38 - Jun 1 with 4796 viewsBanksterDebtSlave

Vote for them if you must but be in no doubt.... on 06:58 - Jun 1 by BlueBadger

Perhaps if the Dear Leader she cites in that article has actually bothered to do something about antisemitism in the first place rather than denying, dithering and delaying any kind of action she might now be able to voice her opinions on the disgusting nature of the ongoing actions of an Israel government bent on systematic abuses of human rights and being able to have a grown up debate rather than being stuck with an unimaginative plodder who feels obliged to to come down like a ton of bricks on any kind of grumbling about it now.
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Perhaps if the old guard at HQ hadn't been undermining the Left and got on with allowing the machinery to work.....but regardless none of what has gone before excuses what is happening now and I will not be validating them with my vote.

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Vote for them if you must but be in no doubt.... on 18:48 - Jun 5 with 4454 viewsBanksterDebtSlave

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/article/2024/jun/05/how-can-they-treat-peop

Good luck to her....a proper choice from Tweedle Dumb andTweedle Dumber.
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Vote for them if you must but be in no doubt.... on 19:05 - Jun 5 with 4386 viewsunbelievablue

When Labour romps to a record victory, I will shrug my shoulders, and raise a glass to the demise of the current incarnation of the Tory party.

I suspect some things I care about will be some degree of 'better' under Starmer's rule, albeit that will be very difficult to measure, but it is hard to get too excited about beyond the satisfaction that this shower of sh!te will finally have had their comeuppance.

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Vote for them if you must but be in no doubt.... on 19:15 - Jun 5 with 4355 viewsblueasfook

At least her supporters took it well and didn't daub antisemitic graffiti on the Chingford Labour office.


Oh.
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Vote for them if you must but be in no doubt.... on 20:33 - Jun 5 with 4215 viewsJ2BLUE

If you must?

What's the alternative? Are you really going to claim they would not be even 1% better than the Tories? For most of the country this is a binary choice.

Truly impaired.
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Vote for them if you must but be in no doubt.... on 20:36 - Jun 5 with 4207 viewsBanksterDebtSlave

Vote for them if you must but be in no doubt.... on 20:33 - Jun 5 by J2BLUE

If you must?

What's the alternative? Are you really going to claim they would not be even 1% better than the Tories? For most of the country this is a binary choice.


Perhaps not voting for them and giving them legitimacy. Ffs are you really suggesting that 1% better is enough reason?

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Vote for them if you must but be in no doubt.... on 20:39 - Jun 5 with 4197 viewsJ2BLUE

Vote for them if you must but be in no doubt.... on 20:36 - Jun 5 by BanksterDebtSlave

Perhaps not voting for them and giving them legitimacy. Ffs are you really suggesting that 1% better is enough reason?


I'm making a point.

It seems you would rather the Tories stay in? There are two options. Surely you vote for the better one however low the bar may be?

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Vote for them if you must but be in no doubt.... on 21:22 - Jun 5 with 4098 viewsTrequartista

In this particular case, on balance, it seems to me as though she has been treated awfully.

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Vote for them if you must but be in no doubt.... on 21:32 - Jun 5 with 4043 viewsGlasgowBlue

Vote for them if you must but be in no doubt.... on 18:48 - Jun 5 by BanksterDebtSlave

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/article/2024/jun/05/how-can-they-treat-peop

Good luck to her....a proper choice from Tweedle Dumb andTweedle Dumber.
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Hey now, hey now, don't dream it's over
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Vote for them if you must but be in no doubt.... on 21:38 - Jun 5 with 4010 viewsBanksterDebtSlave

Vote for them if you must but be in no doubt.... on 21:32 - Jun 5 by GlasgowBlue

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That makes the point perfectly....there really is no real choice...why do we continue to legitimise them?

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Vote for them if you must but be in no doubt.... on 21:38 - Jun 5 with 4009 viewsBanksterDebtSlave

Vote for them if you must but be in no doubt.... on 21:22 - Jun 5 by Trequartista

In this particular case, on balance, it seems to me as though she has been treated awfully.


From another article....


'In theory, “liking” the wrong tweets. In practice, it was possession of two banned substances: charisma and socialist politics.'

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Vote for them if you must but be in no doubt.... on 21:47 - Jun 5 with 3955 viewsGlasgowBlue

Vote for them if you must but be in no doubt.... on 21:38 - Jun 5 by BanksterDebtSlave

That makes the point perfectly....there really is no real choice...why do we continue to legitimise them?


No. It reinforces J2's point. The alternative is another five years of the Tories.

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Vote for them if you must but be in no doubt.... on 22:06 - Jun 5 with 3929 viewsBanksterDebtSlave

Vote for them if you must but be in no doubt.... on 21:47 - Jun 5 by GlasgowBlue

No. It reinforces J2's point. The alternative is another five years of the Tories.


And the big difference to our lives will be.....

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Vote for them if you must but be in no doubt.... on 23:29 - Jun 5 with 3706 viewsJ2BLUE

Vote for them if you must but be in no doubt.... on 22:06 - Jun 5 by BanksterDebtSlave

And the big difference to our lives will be.....


Who knows? Maybe give them a chance and find out? I'm not expecting radical changes but I think most things will improve at least a little bit and a little bit is better than nothing when there are only two possible outcomes.

If not voting would lead to any real change then great, but it won't. I guess you could argue that if you want real change then you should vote reform as Farage has said he will kick off if they get lots of votes and few or no seats.

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Vote for them if you must but be in no doubt.... on 07:29 - Jun 6 with 3544 viewsBanksterDebtSlave

Vote for them if you must but be in no doubt.... on 23:29 - Jun 5 by J2BLUE

Who knows? Maybe give them a chance and find out? I'm not expecting radical changes but I think most things will improve at least a little bit and a little bit is better than nothing when there are only two possible outcomes.

If not voting would lead to any real change then great, but it won't. I guess you could argue that if you want real change then you should vote reform as Farage has said he will kick off if they get lots of votes and few or no seats.


Do you think that if turnout in an election gets to less than 50% that the winners would have a legitimate right to govern?

Edit....on a related point do any polls record the option of 'not intending to vote for any party?'
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Vote for them if you must but be in no doubt.... on 07:37 - Jun 6 with 3526 viewsThe_Flashing_Smile


Trust the process. Trust Phil.

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Vote for them if you must but be in no doubt.... on 07:48 - Jun 6 with 3489 viewsBanksterDebtSlave

Vote for them if you must but be in no doubt.... on 07:37 - Jun 6 by The_Flashing_Smile



I have been listening to the same one, leading to the same result for 50 plus years so yes that would be a good idea.

Anyway, talking of records...


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Vote for them if you must but be in no doubt.... on 07:50 - Jun 6 with 3472 viewsMattinLondon

Vote for them if you must but be in no doubt.... on 07:37 - Jun 6 by The_Flashing_Smile



For some reason the left of the Labour Party would much rather be holding irreverent fringe meetings to a few other people than be anywhere near power and changing things for the good.

Probably why they are a just a bunch a losers.
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Vote for them if you must but be in no doubt.... on 08:15 - Jun 6 with 3435 viewsBanksterDebtSlave

Vote for them if you must but be in no doubt.... on 07:50 - Jun 6 by MattinLondon

For some reason the left of the Labour Party would much rather be holding irreverent fringe meetings to a few other people than be anywhere near power and changing things for the good.

Probably why they are a just a bunch a losers.


Yep...a bunch of wrong'uns just like the woman that the thread began with!! So that would be The Labour Party machine again making sure they get nowhere near power because essentially things must stay as they are.

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Vote for them if you must but be in no doubt.... on 08:18 - Jun 6 with 3418 viewsgiant_stow

Vote for them if you must but be in no doubt.... on 08:15 - Jun 6 by BanksterDebtSlave

Yep...a bunch of wrong'uns just like the woman that the thread began with!! So that would be The Labour Party machine again making sure they get nowhere near power because essentially things must stay as they are.


you wot?

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Vote for them if you must but be in no doubt.... on 08:26 - Jun 6 with 3385 viewsBanksterDebtSlave

Vote for them if you must but be in no doubt.... on 08:18 - Jun 6 by giant_stow

you wot?


The left of the Labour Party.

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Vote for them if you must but be in no doubt.... on 08:27 - Jun 6 with 3378 viewsThe_Flashing_Smile

Vote for them if you must but be in no doubt.... on 07:48 - Jun 6 by BanksterDebtSlave

I have been listening to the same one, leading to the same result for 50 plus years so yes that would be a good idea.

Anyway, talking of records...



We know your thoughts, you don't have to stink the board up with them every day.

Trust the process. Trust Phil.

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Vote for them if you must but be in no doubt.... on 08:34 - Jun 6 with 3336 viewsgiant_stow

Vote for them if you must but be in no doubt.... on 08:26 - Jun 6 by BanksterDebtSlave

The left of the Labour Party.


The thing is, the left of party had their chance and fcked it right up.

I have to problem with Shaheen running as an independent though and if its split the vote / Ids gets back in, that's on head office. She's a local, went to the school up the road* and the collage just nearby - she's a perfect potential MP for the area.

* fun fact: its the same one Beckham went to. Maybe Harry kane too, but not sure about him

Edit: just googled and Kane did go there too - maybe I should have sent the boy there! Just seemed a little strict.
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Vote for them if you must but be in no doubt.... on 08:34 - Jun 6 with 3336 viewsSwansea_Blue

It’s notable that the journalist who wrote this piece put more effort in to talk to her than the NEC. I wouldn’t be happy if I was deselected in that manner.

It’s also quite amusing that the apparent reason was because she would hurt the election chances. I bet she’ll hurt them a lot more standing as an independent! It seems incompetence in the party executive isn’t solely a Tory problem lol.

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