| The Gaza influence 01:37 - Jul 5 with 6140 views | Swansea_Blue |
It’s a bit nuts isn’t it? Sky just taking about the Birmingham Ladywood constituency, where the incumbent senior Labour MP Shabana Mahmood (shadow Justice Sec) is being challenged by an independent, Akhmed Yakoob, who’s won support solely off a pro-Palestinian/pro-ceasefire ticket. But he’s got a history of misogyny.
I’m pro-peace and for a ceasefire in Palestinian territory (I can’t see another way - more violence leads to even more violence). But as a definite issue in our election, really? Surely it should be further down the list than immediate concerns like jobs, income, public services, opportunities, local environment, etc? [Post edited 5 Jul 2024 1:41]
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| The Gaza influence on 01:40 - Jul 5 with 4504 views | Zx1988 |
Could it be that the Labour lead has been so strong, that these communities feel that they can safely send a message without risking letting the Tories back in? |  |
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| The Gaza influence on 01:44 - Jul 5 with 4484 views | Swansea_Blue |
| The Gaza influence on 01:40 - Jul 5 by Zx1988 |
Could it be that the Labour lead has been so strong, that these communities feel that they can safely send a message without risking letting the Tories back in? |
It feels more genuine to me. It feels like they think something happening over 3,000 miles away is more important than what’s happening here. | |
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| The Gaza influence on 07:13 - Jul 5 with 4263 views | blueasfook |
It's pretty much how George Galloway won in Rochdale |  |
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| The Gaza influence on 07:23 - Jul 5 with 4233 views | DanTheMan |
| The Gaza influence on 01:44 - Jul 5 by Swansea_Blue |
It feels more genuine to me. It feels like they think something happening over 3,000 miles away is more important than what’s happening here. |
It's not only that, we don't have any real influence on it. Even if we did all the boycotting and called for a free Palestine etc. it would achieve absolutely nothing.
At least with an MP I guess they'll get a say on this issue but you're right, it's still a bit weird.
Made even less sense for local councils though... |  |
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| The Gaza influence on 08:36 - Jul 5 with 4158 views | brazil1982 |
Large Muslim population, that simple. Find a constituency with a large Burmese population, rant about the civil war there, you'd pick up votes. |  | | |
| The Gaza influence on 08:46 - Jul 5 with 4118 views | textbackup |
| The Gaza influence on 01:44 - Jul 5 by Swansea_Blue |
It feels more genuine to me. It feels like they think something happening over 3,000 miles away is more important than what’s happening here. |
That’s all they care about.
You or I could have started a party up called free Palestine and we’d have been voted in purely based on that.
It’s a joke |  |
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| The Gaza influence on 08:52 - Jul 5 with 4074 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
Just more evidence that turkeys will vote for Christmas (other cheek of the Farage @rse). I mean people voted for a racist, who on one hand ‘spoke up for the plight of Muslims in Gaza’, and on the other hand defended Assad whilst he was ermmm slaughtering Muslims.
Luckily the vile Galloway lost his seat last night. | | | |
| The Gaza influence on 09:02 - Jul 5 with 4039 views | BloomBlue |
Politics has been moving towards a single topic for voters for many years.
If you actually look at the manifestos the vast majority was based around soundbites rather than detail. Now ok, I accept manifestos aren't normally followed once a party is in power, but it's more about what you don't say versus what you say.
People are also fed up with politics. I also think the last 3 (or 4) GEs have shown the population are happy to flip between parties often based purely on one topic.
People voting against Brown's gov because they had enough of them and justed wanted change, with 'change' being the single topic. We had the single topic of 'brexit' last time, and change again this time. That's where Starmer was clever, he learnt from the Brown situation, talk purely about change.
Same with Gaza topic. I found it strange/sad a few weeks ago on TV when they interviewed an independent standing on the Gaza ticket there wasn't anything from them about the NHS, cost of living etc it was all about stop supplying weapons to Israel.
I'm not saying politics was any better in the 50/60s but I do feel people are now more focused on the headline of a single topic. Maybe people's lives are now so busy they don't have the time, maybe we've created such a hostile environment for politicians people with a desire to change it aren't going into politics.
What I do know is single topics create extremes and extremes bring in the people you don't want in politics and I'm talking both sides extreme right & left |  | | |
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| The Gaza influence on 09:06 - Jul 5 with 4017 views | itfcjoe |
It's an issue we can do zero about as well.
I do think that both Gaza, and another massive tiny minority issue Trans Rights, are just impossible for mainstream parties to take a position on which can work because a nuanced middle view is hated by both sides.
They just have to accept it will lead some electoral casualties in certain places [Post edited 5 Jul 2024 9:06]
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| The Gaza influence on 09:09 - Jul 5 with 3995 views | GlasgowBlue |
| The Gaza influence on 09:06 - Jul 5 by itfcjoe |
It's an issue we can do zero about as well.
I do think that both Gaza, and another massive tiny minority issue Trans Rights, are just impossible for mainstream parties to take a position on which can work because a nuanced middle view is hated by both sides.
They just have to accept it will lead some electoral casualties in certain places [Post edited 5 Jul 2024 9:06]
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Not it’s not Jezza. It’s not even on the ballot in Palestine as they haven’t had any elections since 2015.
This is the reason the working class deserted Labour in the last election. |  |
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| The Gaza influence on 09:25 - Jul 5 with 3890 views | blueasfook |
| The Gaza influence on 09:09 - Jul 5 by GlasgowBlue |
Not it’s not Jezza. It’s not even on the ballot in Palestine as they haven’t had any elections since 2015.
This is the reason the working class deserted Labour in the last election. |
Good old Jezza. I see he held on to his seat. I did think he would. Shame he's in his own little party of one lol | |
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| The Gaza influence on 10:35 - Jul 5 with 3758 views | brazil1982 |
| The Gaza influence on 09:09 - Jul 5 by GlasgowBlue |
Not it’s not Jezza. It’s not even on the ballot in Palestine as they haven’t had any elections since 2015.
This is the reason the working class deserted Labour in the last election. |
"Vote for me and I'll be a voice of people 3,000 away". Mind you, he did save the No. 4 bus route for his constituents in 2022. - his biggest achievement as a local MP. | | | |
| The Gaza influence on 14:19 - Jul 5 with 3562 views | Sharkey |
| The Gaza influence on 09:25 - Jul 5 by blueasfook |
Good old Jezza. I see he held on to his seat. I did think he would. Shame he's in his own little party of one lol |
He's effectively in a party of five now. |  | | |
| The Gaza influence on 14:20 - Jul 5 with 3556 views | unbelievablue |
| The Gaza influence on 10:35 - Jul 5 by brazil1982 |
"Vote for me and I'll be a voice of people 3,000 away". Mind you, he did save the No. 4 bus route for his constituents in 2022. - his biggest achievement as a local MP. |
I mean it wasn't his only policy point, was it? |  |
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| The Gaza influence on 14:42 - Jul 5 with 3494 views | Swansea_Blue |
| The Gaza influence on 08:36 - Jul 5 by brazil1982 |
Large Muslim population, that simple. Find a constituency with a large Burmese population, rant about the civil war there, you'd pick up votes. |
Yes, although I still find it a bit strange. Many of the Muslims who see this as a priority will have no links to Palestine (many will presumably have been born here). Although I suppose we also are heavily invested in what’s going on in Ukraine, so maybe it not so strange really, | |
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| The Gaza influence on 14:44 - Jul 5 with 3480 views | Swansea_Blue |
| The Gaza influence on 10:35 - Jul 5 by brazil1982 |
"Vote for me and I'll be a voice of people 3,000 away". Mind you, he did save the No. 4 bus route for his constituents in 2022. - his biggest achievement as a local MP. |
Give the way bus routes are vanishing, saving one is probably more difficult than resolving the Gaza situation! | |
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| The Gaza influence on 14:44 - Jul 5 with 3479 views | GlasgowBlue |
| The Gaza influence on 14:20 - Jul 5 by unbelievablue |
I mean it wasn't his only policy point, was it? |
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| The Gaza influence on 14:51 - Jul 5 with 3421 views | positivity |
| The Gaza influence on 14:19 - Jul 5 by Sharkey |
He's effectively in a party of five now. |
the bright spot being that galloway didn't make it 6! | |
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| The Gaza influence on 15:22 - Jul 5 with 3364 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| The Gaza influence on 14:42 - Jul 5 by Swansea_Blue |
Yes, although I still find it a bit strange. Many of the Muslims who see this as a priority will have no links to Palestine (many will presumably have been born here). Although I suppose we also are heavily invested in what’s going on in Ukraine, so maybe it not so strange really, |
Whilst the UN confirmed Assad’s regime used chemical weapons on Muslim civilians, this is what Galloway said:-
“If there’s been any use of nerve gas it’s the rebels that used it.
[…] If there has been a use of chemical weapons it was al-Qaeda who used chemical weapons. Who gave al-Qaeda chemical weapons? Here’s my theory: Israel gave them the chemical weapons so that they would use them so that they would bring the international community into the final destruction of Syria.”
Astonishing that anyone could vote for him in the belief that he is/was pro-Palestinian. He was simply a far-left, Anti-Western racist who callously used the plight of Gazan’s to get elected. Good riddance. | | | |
| The Gaza influence on 15:26 - Jul 5 with 3335 views | Blueschev |
| The Gaza influence on 15:22 - Jul 5 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
Whilst the UN confirmed Assad’s regime used chemical weapons on Muslim civilians, this is what Galloway said:-
“If there’s been any use of nerve gas it’s the rebels that used it.
[…] If there has been a use of chemical weapons it was al-Qaeda who used chemical weapons. Who gave al-Qaeda chemical weapons? Here’s my theory: Israel gave them the chemical weapons so that they would use them so that they would bring the international community into the final destruction of Syria.”
Astonishing that anyone could vote for him in the belief that he is/was pro-Palestinian. He was simply a far-left, Anti-Western racist who callously used the plight of Gazan’s to get elected. Good riddance. |
He's not far left, he's a racist, misogynistic, red-brown mish-mash of whatever will get him elected. |  | | |
| The Gaza influence on 07:58 - Jul 6 with 3104 views | GlasgowBlue |
| The Gaza influence on 15:26 - Jul 5 by Blueschev |
He's not far left, he's a racist, misogynistic, red-brown mish-mash of whatever will get him elected. |
He’s all of those things but he’s still from the far left of politics. His politics and tactics are no different to the SWP. [Post edited 6 Jul 2024 7:59]
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| The Gaza influence on 08:17 - Jul 6 with 3068 views | GlasgowBlue |
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| The Gaza influence on 08:25 - Jul 6 with 3031 views | Blueschev |
| The Gaza influence on 07:58 - Jul 6 by GlasgowBlue |
He’s all of those things but he’s still from the far left of politics. His politics and tactics are no different to the SWP. [Post edited 6 Jul 2024 7:59]
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Tactically possibly, but foreign policy aside he’s Mike to the right of the SWP. That’s why Respect soon fell apart. I believe they despise one another these days. | | | |
| The Gaza influence on 08:37 - Jul 6 with 2981 views | jontysnut |
| The Gaza influence on 07:13 - Jul 5 by blueasfook |
It's pretty much how George Galloway won in Rochdale |
He also promised them a new Primark |  | | |
| The Gaza influence on 08:40 - Jul 6 with 2968 views | jontysnut |
| The Gaza influence on 08:36 - Jul 5 by brazil1982 |
Large Muslim population, that simple. Find a constituency with a large Burmese population, rant about the civil war there, you'd pick up votes. |
Interestingly Labour held onto seats in Bradford although there was a big independent vote. Existing Asian MPs in place although our local one had little mention of Labour on his posters. | | | |
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