| Dara O'Shea back on? 11:39 - Aug 23 with 13965 views | portmanking |
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| Dara O'Shea back on? on 11:41 - Aug 23 with 11220 views | pointofblue |
I’d prefer O’Shea to Ahmedhodzic, purely based on the relative reactions from Burnley and Sheffield United fans. Guess it could come down to McKenna’s preference. | |
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| Dara O'Shea back on? on 11:43 - Aug 23 with 11148 views | Asa |
Will be interested to see who we end up with.
Having seen both 5-6 times on TV, O'Shea to me looks like a better defender but has never looked quick. Whilst Ahmedhodzic looks really quick and thought that might be part of our consideration given the way we play and the opportunities we may leave in behind.
Arguably we'll have a load more teams we have to sit back against like Liverpool where O'Shea might be better. Either way they both look good and an upgrade on Woolfy, as much as I love the guy. | | | |
| Dara O'Shea back on? on 11:59 - Aug 23 with 10770 views | pointofblue |
| Dara O'Shea back on? on 11:43 - Aug 23 by Asa |
Will be interested to see who we end up with.
Having seen both 5-6 times on TV, O'Shea to me looks like a better defender but has never looked quick. Whilst Ahmedhodzic looks really quick and thought that might be part of our consideration given the way we play and the opportunities we may leave in behind.
Arguably we'll have a load more teams we have to sit back against like Liverpool where O'Shea might be better. Either way they both look good and an upgrade on Woolfy, as much as I love the guy. |
It’s interesting how many people love Woolfenden but can’t wait to do him down compared to new signings. Didn’t see that for Luongo, when Cajuste and Phillips came in, or Chaplin after Szmodics’ arrival, or Burgess when Greaves came through the door. Or Hirst/Burns with Delap. Perhaps a degree of it towards Broadhead when compared to Clarke but that was soon shut down by others. Yet with Woolfenden it seems to be a different case. And, yeah, as I said last night, I will acknowledge maybe I am being over-sensitive but, at the same time, he’s had a rougher time on here than most in general. | |
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| Dara O'Shea back on? on 12:06 - Aug 23 with 10581 views | burnbudgiesburn |
Have we ever been in for O'Shea?
Last I read on here Phil dismissed the link, but suggested there was something in the Ahmedzovic one. | | | |
| Dara O'Shea back on? on 12:08 - Aug 23 with 10481 views | bluesbrothers |
| Dara O'Shea back on? on 11:59 - Aug 23 by pointofblue |
It’s interesting how many people love Woolfenden but can’t wait to do him down compared to new signings. Didn’t see that for Luongo, when Cajuste and Phillips came in, or Chaplin after Szmodics’ arrival, or Burgess when Greaves came through the door. Or Hirst/Burns with Delap. Perhaps a degree of it towards Broadhead when compared to Clarke but that was soon shut down by others. Yet with Woolfenden it seems to be a different case. And, yeah, as I said last night, I will acknowledge maybe I am being over-sensitive but, at the same time, he’s had a rougher time on here than most in general. |
Realistically, every player we've signed for significant money this season is a significant upgrade on the player that played their last season. Fact. | | | |
| Dara O'Shea back on? on 12:09 - Aug 23 with 10451 views | PhilTWTD |
| Dara O'Shea back on? on 12:06 - Aug 23 by burnbudgiesburn |
Have we ever been in for O'Shea?
Last I read on here Phil dismissed the link, but suggested there was something in the Ahmedzovic one. |
Asked about O'Shea when he was last linked and was given short shrift. I suspect the latest link is just because we were mentioned prior to the Wolves deal. I know we've been working on Ahmedzovic, although these things can change, of course. |  | | |
| Dara O'Shea back on? on 12:10 - Aug 23 with 10415 views | pointofblue |
| Dara O'Shea back on? on 12:08 - Aug 23 by bluesbrothers |
Realistically, every player we've signed for significant money this season is a significant upgrade on the player that played their last season. Fact. |
In some cases would not say significant, but agree all he big money spends are upgrades. [Post edited 23 Aug 2024 12:10]
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| Dara O'Shea back on? on 12:10 - Aug 23 with 10414 views | Wacko |
| Dara O'Shea back on? on 11:59 - Aug 23 by pointofblue |
It’s interesting how many people love Woolfenden but can’t wait to do him down compared to new signings. Didn’t see that for Luongo, when Cajuste and Phillips came in, or Chaplin after Szmodics’ arrival, or Burgess when Greaves came through the door. Or Hirst/Burns with Delap. Perhaps a degree of it towards Broadhead when compared to Clarke but that was soon shut down by others. Yet with Woolfenden it seems to be a different case. And, yeah, as I said last night, I will acknowledge maybe I am being over-sensitive but, at the same time, he’s had a rougher time on here than most in general. |
I think part of it is that midfielders and attackers are more interchangeable, so players like Chappers still hold a lot of value when coming on as one of KM's "finishers". With defenders you need a consistent unit who play 90 mins every week so their flaws are more apparent | |
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| Dara O'Shea back on? on 12:32 - Aug 23 with 9887 views | Stu_boy |
So if we had offers accepted for the sheff utd lad and then had an offer accepted for o'shea would we do a michael jacobs on the sheff utd lad and sign o'shea instead? Be pretty anel for the sheff utd lad | | | |
| Dara O'Shea back on? on 12:37 - Aug 23 with 9760 views | pointofblue |
| Dara O'Shea back on? on 12:10 - Aug 23 by Wacko |
I think part of it is that midfielders and attackers are more interchangeable, so players like Chappers still hold a lot of value when coming on as one of KM's "finishers". With defenders you need a consistent unit who play 90 mins every week so their flaws are more apparent |
Maybe - but can’t recall similar comments being made towards Clarke/Tuanzebe when Johnson signed, or Burgess being compared to Greaves. | |
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| Dara O'Shea back on? on 13:01 - Aug 23 with 9472 views | portmanking |
| Dara O'Shea back on? on 12:09 - Aug 23 by PhilTWTD |
Asked about O'Shea when he was last linked and was given short shrift. I suspect the latest link is just because we were mentioned prior to the Wolves deal. I know we've been working on Ahmedzovic, although these things can change, of course. |
SSN's news editor is running with O'Shea to Town now too... I wonder if Ahmedhodzic was a plan B and we were waiting to see if O'Shea would go to Brentford/Wolves first. [Post edited 23 Aug 2024 13:02]
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| Dara O'Shea back on? on 13:08 - Aug 23 with 9302 views | ArnieM |
It wasn't that many days / weeks ago he reportedly gave us the cold shoulder. Now he's seen the calibre of players joining us, he wants in? |  |
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| Dara O'Shea back on? on 13:12 - Aug 23 with 9199 views | Stu_boy |
| Dara O'Shea back on? on 13:08 - Aug 23 by ArnieM |
It wasn't that many days / weeks ago he reportedly gave us the cold shoulder. Now he's seen the calibre of players joining us, he wants in? |
In otherwords he''s slept on it and realised how massive we are, if he signs he'll say how impressed he was with our training facilities etc | | | |
| Dara O'Shea back on? on 13:13 - Aug 23 with 9194 views | pointofblue |
| Dara O'Shea back on? on 13:08 - Aug 23 by ArnieM |
It wasn't that many days / weeks ago he reportedly gave us the cold shoulder. Now he's seen the calibre of players joining us, he wants in? |
I thought the reports were we weren’t looking to sign him, rather than him giving us the cold shoulder? | |
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| Dara O'Shea back on? on 13:17 - Aug 23 with 9113 views | burnbudgiesburn |
Maybe we are using one of the two players to put pressure on the other club to accept an offer. | | | |
| Dara O'Shea back on? on 13:19 - Aug 23 with 9068 views | pointofblue |
| Dara O'Shea back on? on 13:17 - Aug 23 by burnbudgiesburn |
Maybe we are using one of the two players to put pressure on the other club to accept an offer. |
Or Burnley could be that. | |
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| Dara O'Shea back on? on 13:20 - Aug 23 with 9060 views | Simonds92 |
| Dara O'Shea back on? on 11:59 - Aug 23 by pointofblue |
It’s interesting how many people love Woolfenden but can’t wait to do him down compared to new signings. Didn’t see that for Luongo, when Cajuste and Phillips came in, or Chaplin after Szmodics’ arrival, or Burgess when Greaves came through the door. Or Hirst/Burns with Delap. Perhaps a degree of it towards Broadhead when compared to Clarke but that was soon shut down by others. Yet with Woolfenden it seems to be a different case. And, yeah, as I said last night, I will acknowledge maybe I am being over-sensitive but, at the same time, he’s had a rougher time on here than most in general. |
He just can't do the basics of defending well enough imo. Let's see, he may learn from playing the highest level of the game week in week out. He did OK last week, but in the first 5 minutes he gets booked for being the wrong side and being turned easily. | | | |
| Dara O'Shea back on? on 13:25 - Aug 23 with 8940 views | pointofblue |
| Dara O'Shea back on? on 13:20 - Aug 23 by Simonds92 |
He just can't do the basics of defending well enough imo. Let's see, he may learn from playing the highest level of the game week in week out. He did OK last week, but in the first 5 minutes he gets booked for being the wrong side and being turned easily. |
I find it odd how selective criticism is. But there we go. | |
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| Dara O'Shea back on? on 13:30 - Aug 23 with 8807 views | Vegtablue |
| Dara O'Shea back on? on 11:59 - Aug 23 by pointofblue |
It’s interesting how many people love Woolfenden but can’t wait to do him down compared to new signings. Didn’t see that for Luongo, when Cajuste and Phillips came in, or Chaplin after Szmodics’ arrival, or Burgess when Greaves came through the door. Or Hirst/Burns with Delap. Perhaps a degree of it towards Broadhead when compared to Clarke but that was soon shut down by others. Yet with Woolfenden it seems to be a different case. And, yeah, as I said last night, I will acknowledge maybe I am being over-sensitive but, at the same time, he’s had a rougher time on here than most in general. |
I've seen a heap of people relegating Chappers to the bench on here tbh (or beyond it, some believe no longer with us after January), so would agree there's an element of you being more sensitive to Woolf criticism / scepticism. I would need a bigger abacus if counting all the times posters have commented that Chaplin's offered very little to the side over X months.
Luongo doesn't have the same critics I believe because most see his ability in a similar light. With Woolf, a few people thought he'd be subjected to 8-figure bids if we didn't go up last season, even speculating the likes of Arsenal would be lurking, while a few others thought he wasn't good enough for the Championship, or good enough to regularly start for us. It's a weirdly wide range of views and is maybe the consequence of him having spent all his career with us, or maybe he'd be a marmite defender anyway. | | | |
| Dara O'Shea back on? on 13:47 - Aug 23 with 8600 views | pointofblue |
| Dara O'Shea back on? on 13:30 - Aug 23 by Vegtablue |
I've seen a heap of people relegating Chappers to the bench on here tbh (or beyond it, some believe no longer with us after January), so would agree there's an element of you being more sensitive to Woolf criticism / scepticism. I would need a bigger abacus if counting all the times posters have commented that Chaplin's offered very little to the side over X months.
Luongo doesn't have the same critics I believe because most see his ability in a similar light. With Woolf, a few people thought he'd be subjected to 8-figure bids if we didn't go up last season, even speculating the likes of Arsenal would be lurking, while a few others thought he wasn't good enough for the Championship, or good enough to regularly start for us. It's a weirdly wide range of views and is maybe the consequence of him having spent all his career with us, or maybe he'd be a marmite defender anyway. |
I think most people I've seen are questioning Chaplin's form since the turn of the year, rather than whether he's good enough or not at his best.
Even as a cheerleader for him, I would have been very surprised if we'd received a high offer for Woolfenden from a Premier League team, because he is, as you say, a marmite figure. | |
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| Dara O'Shea back on? on 13:52 - Aug 23 with 8497 views | thebooks |
| Dara O'Shea back on? on 11:59 - Aug 23 by pointofblue |
It’s interesting how many people love Woolfenden but can’t wait to do him down compared to new signings. Didn’t see that for Luongo, when Cajuste and Phillips came in, or Chaplin after Szmodics’ arrival, or Burgess when Greaves came through the door. Or Hirst/Burns with Delap. Perhaps a degree of it towards Broadhead when compared to Clarke but that was soon shut down by others. Yet with Woolfenden it seems to be a different case. And, yeah, as I said last night, I will acknowledge maybe I am being over-sensitive but, at the same time, he’s had a rougher time on here than most in general. |
Yeah, I agree.
Anyway, Woolfie will be clocking up his 1000th Town first team appearance in 15 years time, so no need to worry. |  | | |
| Dara O'Shea back on? on 13:53 - Aug 23 with 8441 views | pointofblue |
| Dara O'Shea back on? on 13:52 - Aug 23 by thebooks |
Yeah, I agree.
Anyway, Woolfie will be clocking up his 1000th Town first team appearance in 15 years time, so no need to worry. |
Ha! He'd be 40... not sure if I see him as another Milner. | |
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| Dara O'Shea back on? on 13:54 - Aug 23 with 8412 views | ArnieM |
| Dara O'Shea back on? on 13:12 - Aug 23 by Stu_boy |
In otherwords he''s slept on it and realised how massive we are, if he signs he'll say how impressed he was with our training facilities etc |
... and he's particularly partial to cheese!! | |
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| Dara O'Shea back on? on 13:57 - Aug 23 with 8362 views | ArnieM |
| Dara O'Shea back on? on 13:47 - Aug 23 by pointofblue |
I think most people I've seen are questioning Chaplin's form since the turn of the year, rather than whether he's good enough or not at his best.
Even as a cheerleader for him, I would have been very surprised if we'd received a high offer for Woolfenden from a Premier League team, because he is, as you say, a marmite figure. |
I think Chaplin has an almost telepathic understanding with Hirst......and Hirst has been out injured.... hence why Chappers form is apparently off kilter. | |
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| Dara O'Shea back on? on 13:59 - Aug 23 with 8329 views | BathBlue |
| Dara O'Shea back on? on 11:43 - Aug 23 by Asa |
Will be interested to see who we end up with.
Having seen both 5-6 times on TV, O'Shea to me looks like a better defender but has never looked quick. Whilst Ahmedhodzic looks really quick and thought that might be part of our consideration given the way we play and the opportunities we may leave in behind.
Arguably we'll have a load more teams we have to sit back against like Liverpool where O'Shea might be better. Either way they both look good and an upgrade on Woolfy, as much as I love the guy. |
Depending which article you read O’Shea was in the top 5 (or worst case top 10) fastest players in the premier league last season. Don’t think pace is an issue!!
https://www.premierleague.com/news/4025726
https://onefootball.com/en/news/7-fastest-premier-league-players-in-202324-39002 |  | | |
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