| Stealth smoking ban 10:32 - Aug 29 with 6892 views | giant_stow |
A possible ban on smoking in pub (edit) gardens, but more importantly I think, on pavements outside pubs, parks, hospitals etc...
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/article/2024/aug/29/smoking-could-be-banned
I realise this will be great news to many, but it seems a little dishonest to me - basically, it'll leave smoking banned anywhere but you own property / a field. I also wonder how enforceable it will be, unless they'll rely on peer pressure. [Post edited 29 Aug 2024 10:35]
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| Stealth smoking ban on 10:36 - Aug 29 with 3986 views | Leaky |
obviously two tier doesn't smoke |  | | |
| Stealth smoking ban on 10:39 - Aug 29 with 3950 views | WeirdFishes |
Not sure I agree with banning it in pubs and parks etc. but hospitals 100%. Been at Ipswich hospital a bit the last few months and can’t believe how many people are smoking around the carparks and outside entrances. |  |
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| Stealth smoking ban on 10:39 - Aug 29 with 3950 views | ElderGrizzly |
This will be an 'intentional leak' to test public opinion.
Smoking at outdoor tables in restaurants etc should be discouraged as it is bloody horrible in the summer to try and eat and being surrounded by smoke.
And no, the answer isn't "go and eat indoors then"... |  | | |
| Stealth smoking ban on 10:43 - Aug 29 with 3916 views | giant_stow |
| Stealth smoking ban on 10:39 - Aug 29 by WeirdFishes |
Not sure I agree with banning it in pubs and parks etc. but hospitals 100%. Been at Ipswich hospital a bit the last few months and can’t believe how many people are smoking around the carparks and outside entrances. |
I sympathise with that - it must be horrible for a non-smoker, but there's an easy solution (for smoking able-bodied patients) in having a discrete spmoking area away from the majority of foot traffic. | |
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| Stealth smoking ban on 10:44 - Aug 29 with 3886 views | FrimleyBlue |
I get the pub, hospital ones, but can't get with the park one, it's incredibly open air. |  |
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| Stealth smoking ban on 10:45 - Aug 29 with 3874 views | giant_stow |
| Stealth smoking ban on 10:39 - Aug 29 by ElderGrizzly |
This will be an 'intentional leak' to test public opinion.
Smoking at outdoor tables in restaurants etc should be discouraged as it is bloody horrible in the summer to try and eat and being surrounded by smoke.
And no, the answer isn't "go and eat indoors then"... |
10 years back, I would have been telling you to go eat indoors. Now, I get it - if I were eating outside, finished the meal, I would go stand on the pavement for my post-meal fag.
I guess you're right about this being a test the water leak.
I should be giving up anyway tbh, but this won't be the trigger - it can only come from within. | |
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| Stealth smoking ban on 10:49 - Aug 29 with 3849 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
Why will it be dishonest? I thought the government were quite open during election campaigning with its intention to ban smoking in public generally and raise legal age limits to ultimately ban it altogether. |  |
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| Stealth smoking ban on 10:51 - Aug 29 with 3821 views | mutters |
I used to enjoy a cigarette with a beer when I was younger. Gradually the places I can smoke have been slowly eroded and this is a continuation of that.
Personally I think it's great. It will stop people falling into smoking, my little sister has never smoked due to the pub ban being in when she became old enough.
I grew up in a family of smokers, they all succumbed to various illness which can be attributed to said smoking. Anything that can be done to break the cycle is a good thing imo. |  |
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| Stealth smoking ban on 10:53 - Aug 29 with 3759 views | ElderGrizzly |
| Stealth smoking ban on 10:44 - Aug 29 by FrimleyBlue |
I get the pub, hospital ones, but can't get with the park one, it's incredibly open air. |
They aren't talking about open parks, more about kids play parks etc or very enclosed open areas.
The 'leak' was very clear that it wouldn't cover large open spaces.
It's also a bit odd, as smoking has been banned in sports stadia for years but they are talking about it within the article today as if it was allowed? | | | |
| Stealth smoking ban on 10:56 - Aug 29 with 3737 views | giant_stow |
| Stealth smoking ban on 10:49 - Aug 29 by Nthsuffolkblue |
Why will it be dishonest? I thought the government were quite open during election campaigning with its intention to ban smoking in public generally and raise legal age limits to ultimately ban it altogether. |
dishonest in the sense that it's a ban in all but name - they're still quite happy to receive the tax revenue. Also dishonest, as I think it will push the problem indoors, into people's homes, particularly for those living in flats. | |
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| Stealth smoking ban on 11:03 - Aug 29 with 3624 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Stealth smoking ban on 10:56 - Aug 29 by giant_stow |
dishonest in the sense that it's a ban in all but name - they're still quite happy to receive the tax revenue. Also dishonest, as I think it will push the problem indoors, into people's homes, particularly for those living in flats. |
I don't think they are advertising as anything but that are they? Aren't indoors at a smoker's house already where people smoke most? Why will it increase that any more than pushing people into giving up or moving into vaping instead? The policy is bound to reduce tax revenue but the argument has always been that the cost to the NHS and general public health offset the gains through taxation. It is interesting that those who are most for the freedom to smoke appear to commonly overlap with those who feel we cannot afford the NHS. | |
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| Stealth smoking ban on 11:04 - Aug 29 with 3622 views | giant_stow |
| Stealth smoking ban on 10:51 - Aug 29 by mutters |
I used to enjoy a cigarette with a beer when I was younger. Gradually the places I can smoke have been slowly eroded and this is a continuation of that.
Personally I think it's great. It will stop people falling into smoking, my little sister has never smoked due to the pub ban being in when she became old enough.
I grew up in a family of smokers, they all succumbed to various illness which can be attributed to said smoking. Anything that can be done to break the cycle is a good thing imo. |
I'm sorry to hear about your family's experiences and agree with most of what you say - just not the detail of this policy idea. Progressively banning the sale of fags by age is a great idea and will achieve alot. Banning smoking on pavements however, will just stigmatise smokers and drive them indoors. | |
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| Stealth smoking ban on 11:06 - Aug 29 with 3606 views | itfckenty |
it's just building up to a total ban. most Hospitals do ban it out the front anyway (well Bury does, not that anyone follows it)
I give it 10 years or so and you'll see it completely phased out and banned anywhere apart from your own home, same with Vaping |  | | |
| Stealth smoking ban on 11:06 - Aug 29 with 3605 views | blueasfook |
People have forgotten the nanny state policies of Labour. We had the same policies under Blair"s govt who initially imposed the smoking ban in pubs, etc. I expect eating your 5 a day to become mandatory this time around |  |
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| Stealth smoking ban on 11:08 - Aug 29 with 3590 views | giant_stow |
| Stealth smoking ban on 11:03 - Aug 29 by Nthsuffolkblue |
I don't think they are advertising as anything but that are they? Aren't indoors at a smoker's house already where people smoke most? Why will it increase that any more than pushing people into giving up or moving into vaping instead? The policy is bound to reduce tax revenue but the argument has always been that the cost to the NHS and general public health offset the gains through taxation. It is interesting that those who are most for the freedom to smoke appear to commonly overlap with those who feel we cannot afford the NHS. |
You'd be surprised how many smokers go outside their homes for a smoke I think, certainly if there are non-smokers in the house. The indoor ban really changed mindsets. I realise saying that will sound like a contradiction to my point, but I do think that this is different - more total. | |
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| Stealth smoking ban on 11:09 - Aug 29 with 3579 views | gordon |
| Stealth smoking ban on 10:56 - Aug 29 by giant_stow |
dishonest in the sense that it's a ban in all but name - they're still quite happy to receive the tax revenue. Also dishonest, as I think it will push the problem indoors, into people's homes, particularly for those living in flats. |
Don't think you've got much of a point re the tax income - the costs of smoking to society are much, much greater than the tax income - the point of the tax isn't to make money, it's to limit the damage smoking does to society. |  | | |
| Stealth smoking ban on 11:09 - Aug 29 with 3583 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Stealth smoking ban on 11:06 - Aug 29 by blueasfook |
People have forgotten the nanny state policies of Labour. We had the same policies under Blair"s govt who initially imposed the smoking ban in pubs, etc. I expect eating your 5 a day to become mandatory this time around |
Why do you think the Conservatives did not reverse that ban? They reversed fox hunting and those more to the right of the party wanted the ban reversed. | |
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| Stealth smoking ban on 11:13 - Aug 29 with 3532 views | Daninthecampo |
A ridiculous unfair idea/ rule in so many ways! the new age rule is also madnes,how can you say that because you're 1 week younger than your friend you're not legally allowed to smoke buy they can? It's a very slippery slope of government control.
Obesity kills more people per year in the UK than smoking, do we start banning fastfood and crisps, chocolate next?
And no im not a smoker,quit over 20 years ago |  | | |
| Stealth smoking ban on 11:17 - Aug 29 with 3484 views | blueasfook |
| Stealth smoking ban on 11:09 - Aug 29 by Nthsuffolkblue |
Why do you think the Conservatives did not reverse that ban? They reversed fox hunting and those more to the right of the party wanted the ban reversed. |
Interesting question. Many in the pub trade believe the smoking ban helped contribute to the decline of pubs. If I remember correctly, banning of smoking was EU law and handed down to us from Brussels. | |
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| Stealth smoking ban on 11:20 - Aug 29 with 3441 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Stealth smoking ban on 11:08 - Aug 29 by giant_stow |
You'd be surprised how many smokers go outside their homes for a smoke I think, certainly if there are non-smokers in the house. The indoor ban really changed mindsets. I realise saying that will sound like a contradiction to my point, but I do think that this is different - more total. |
I know many do and, unless they have no access to private outdoor space, they will still be able to. In reality, those who do not will find spaces where they do so and will be technically breaking the law but unlikely to be prosecuted in most places (a bit like smoking outside on hospital grounds mentioned above).
It is also interesting how often many of those same people tend to have one inside when the weather is very bad or non-smokers are not around. | |
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| Stealth smoking ban on 11:22 - Aug 29 with 3418 views | leitrimblue |
Starmer putting um on a plate for Nigel to stroll up and tap them in. Nanny state, killing our pubs etc. Not to mention letting our old folk die of hyperthermia. It's to easy |  | | |
| Stealth smoking ban on 11:23 - Aug 29 with 3390 views | Basuco |
Speaking as someone who is badly affected with passive smoking, breathing difficulties and a headache like a very bad hangover if I am in a smoky room for any length of time, I welcome this, I appreciate it is an individuals choice to smoke or not, but I do not want to have tobacco smoke forced on me by people smoking nearby.
I know this sounds harsh but many years ago a friend died of lung cancer after years of smoking, five years after his death his wife died of lung cancer as well, she never smoked herself but died as a result of passive smoking. Nicotine is very bad for both the smoker and friends and family around them, it shocked me to hear on the radio this morning that 2/3 of smokers die of smoking related diseases before they reach 65 years old! |  | | |
| Stealth smoking ban on 11:23 - Aug 29 with 3389 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Stealth smoking ban on 11:17 - Aug 29 by blueasfook |
Interesting question. Many in the pub trade believe the smoking ban helped contribute to the decline of pubs. If I remember correctly, banning of smoking was EU law and handed down to us from Brussels. |
Ah, some of that red tape that we left the EU to remove (EDIT: and nothing to do with Blair and the nanny-state!) ... and those who led us out didn't do anything about as if it was never about that at all. [Post edited 29 Aug 2024 11:24]
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| Stealth smoking ban on 11:40 - Aug 29 with 3232 views | Lord_Lucan |
Fascists!!! |  |
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| Stealth smoking ban on 11:46 - Aug 29 with 3174 views | Basuco |
| Stealth smoking ban on 10:45 - Aug 29 by giant_stow |
10 years back, I would have been telling you to go eat indoors. Now, I get it - if I were eating outside, finished the meal, I would go stand on the pavement for my post-meal fag.
I guess you're right about this being a test the water leak.
I should be giving up anyway tbh, but this won't be the trigger - it can only come from within. |
Think about your children, as I said above, two thirds of smokers die of smoking related diseases before they are 65 years old, how old will your son be when you are 65? Fatherless sooner than he should be, just a thought. | | | |
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