| Stealth smoking ban 10:32 - Aug 29 with 6902 views | giant_stow |
A possible ban on smoking in pub (edit) gardens, but more importantly I think, on pavements outside pubs, parks, hospitals etc...
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/article/2024/aug/29/smoking-could-be-banned
I realise this will be great news to many, but it seems a little dishonest to me - basically, it'll leave smoking banned anywhere but you own property / a field. I also wonder how enforceable it will be, unless they'll rely on peer pressure. [Post edited 29 Aug 2024 10:35]
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| Stealth smoking ban on 11:49 - Aug 29 with 1707 views | mutters |
| Stealth smoking ban on 11:04 - Aug 29 by giant_stow |
I'm sorry to hear about your family's experiences and agree with most of what you say - just not the detail of this policy idea. Progressively banning the sale of fags by age is a great idea and will achieve alot. Banning smoking on pavements however, will just stigmatise smokers and drive them indoors. |
Thank you, very kind thing to say.
At heart I am a complete liberal when it comes to things, I believe people should have a choice in what they do and the government should allow people to live their lives as they see fit.
However there are things that people need guidance on, and smoking is defo one of them.
I can imagine this will be a sliding thing. There will be designated smoking spaces, as there currently are in airports etc. |  |
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| Stealth smoking ban on 11:50 - Aug 29 with 1704 views | DJR |
This is not something I would support as smoking outdoors doesn't seem to me to be a particular problem. |  | | |
| Stealth smoking ban on 12:04 - Aug 29 with 1648 views | GlasgowBlue |
Although I absolutely abhor smoking and think that the previous government's policy to phase out smoking o0ver the years was a great idea, this will kill off what remaining local pubs we have. |  |
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| Stealth smoking ban on 12:13 - Aug 29 with 1609 views | Blueschev |
| Stealth smoking ban on 12:04 - Aug 29 by GlasgowBlue |
Although I absolutely abhor smoking and think that the previous government's policy to phase out smoking o0ver the years was a great idea, this will kill off what remaining local pubs we have. |
For someone such as myself it would be a good thing. I'm far more likely to have a couple of ciggies when I go to the pub, but it wouldn't put me off going if I couldn't as I'm not a regular smoker.
I agree though it would kill local pubs, whose regulars are far more likely to be smokers. |  | | |
| Stealth smoking ban on 12:21 - Aug 29 with 1581 views | gtsb1966 |
Isn't smoking slowly on its way out anyway. Thankfully you don't see that many youngsters smoking now (nor drinking come to that). Smoking is very passe especially with the younger generations. |  | | |
| Stealth smoking ban on 12:26 - Aug 29 with 1540 views | NedPlimpton |
| Stealth smoking ban on 11:17 - Aug 29 by blueasfook |
Interesting question. Many in the pub trade believe the smoking ban helped contribute to the decline of pubs. If I remember correctly, banning of smoking was EU law and handed down to us from Brussels. |
You remember incorrectly. It had nothing to do with the EU
It came off the back of the 2006 Health act and is reported to have had huge benefits to public health |  | | |
| Stealth smoking ban on 12:27 - Aug 29 with 1538 views | Freddies_Ears |
| Stealth smoking ban on 12:04 - Aug 29 by GlasgowBlue |
Although I absolutely abhor smoking and think that the previous government's policy to phase out smoking o0ver the years was a great idea, this will kill off what remaining local pubs we have. |
My sister ran a wet sales only pub in a poor part of East Yorkshire. Most of her regulars were smokers. Then, the ban was introduced. Within weeks, her trade was up, significantly. Many started coming in who had previously avoided pubs. More significantly, many of her existing customers said it gave them an incentive to cut down or quit. |  | | |
| Stealth smoking ban on 12:44 - Aug 29 with 1454 views | giant_stow |
| Stealth smoking ban on 11:09 - Aug 29 by gordon |
Don't think you've got much of a point re the tax income - the costs of smoking to society are much, much greater than the tax income - the point of the tax isn't to make money, it's to limit the damage smoking does to society. |
My point on the tax wasn't so much about the cost / benefit to the NHS - that's an age old one that I can't comment on - more that its morally inconsistent - either something is legal and consumable, or its not. | |
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| Stealth smoking ban on 12:46 - Aug 29 with 1433 views | Pinewoodblue |
| Stealth smoking ban on 12:04 - Aug 29 by GlasgowBlue |
Although I absolutely abhor smoking and think that the previous government's policy to phase out smoking o0ver the years was a great idea, this will kill off what remaining local pubs we have. |
Where there is a will there is a way.
A few years ago now was in a pub in Wakefield, opposite hotel we were staying in. Come closing time instead of a good old fashioned lock-in, they had a smoke-in. Not being regulars the landlord was very discreet he invited us to stay beyond closing time as long as we didn’t mind others smoking. |  |
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| Stealth smoking ban on 12:48 - Aug 29 with 1420 views | Benters |
Well let’s face it smoking isn’t good for you,I think I gave up smoking some 30 years ago,but I still fancy a smoke with a pint of best.
But when I was in Hospital with the Big C some 11 years ago,I’d go for a mooch outside and I’d often see my specialists hiding up having a crafty fag.
I don’t think they should ban it in pub gardens etc.
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| Stealth smoking ban on 12:50 - Aug 29 with 1406 views | giant_stow |
| Stealth smoking ban on 12:48 - Aug 29 by Benters |
Well let’s face it smoking isn’t good for you,I think I gave up smoking some 30 years ago,but I still fancy a smoke with a pint of best.
But when I was in Hospital with the Big C some 11 years ago,I’d go for a mooch outside and I’d often see my specialists hiding up having a crafty fag.
I don’t think they should ban it in pub gardens etc.
The End. |
I remember you being ill fella - glad you beat it. | |
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| Stealth smoking ban on 13:01 - Aug 29 with 1355 views | ElderGrizzly |
| Stealth smoking ban on 11:09 - Aug 29 by gordon |
Don't think you've got much of a point re the tax income - the costs of smoking to society are much, much greater than the tax income - the point of the tax isn't to make money, it's to limit the damage smoking does to society. |
And the economic argument of Farage et al doesn’t add up
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| Stealth smoking ban on 13:01 - Aug 29 with 1347 views | Sikamikanico |
As someone who lost a parent to lung cancer when they were 57 it's about time further restrictions were brought in. | | | |
| Stealth smoking ban on 13:09 - Aug 29 with 1272 views | lowhouseblue |
requiring pubs etc to provide genuinely smoke free outside spaces seems entirely reasonable to me. in some cases that may mean that all the outside space has to be no smoking - in other cases a separate smoking area might be possible. i don't smoke, but don't have a problem with people smoking outside as long as the smoke blows away, but can't stand those flavoured vapes. |  |
| And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show |
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| Stealth smoking ban on 13:09 - Aug 29 with 1267 views | Benters |
| Stealth smoking ban on 12:50 - Aug 29 by giant_stow |
I remember you being ill fella - glad you beat it. |
Thank you 😊 | |
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| Stealth smoking ban on 13:09 - Aug 29 with 1264 views | stonojnr |
| Stealth smoking ban on 10:39 - Aug 29 by ElderGrizzly |
This will be an 'intentional leak' to test public opinion.
Smoking at outdoor tables in restaurants etc should be discouraged as it is bloody horrible in the summer to try and eat and being surrounded by smoke.
And no, the answer isn't "go and eat indoors then"... |
But the answer is go eat somewhere else if it bothers you that much, it's a choice at the end of the day where you spend your money | | | |
| Stealth smoking ban on 13:10 - Aug 29 with 1263 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Stealth smoking ban on 12:04 - Aug 29 by GlasgowBlue |
Although I absolutely abhor smoking and think that the previous government's policy to phase out smoking o0ver the years was a great idea, this will kill off what remaining local pubs we have. |
So the downvoters. Dirty smokers who are offended by me abhorring smoking and wanting out phased out or people who don't like pubs? | |
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| Stealth smoking ban on 13:13 - Aug 29 with 1241 views | stonojnr |
| Stealth smoking ban on 11:09 - Aug 29 by Nthsuffolkblue |
Why do you think the Conservatives did not reverse that ban? They reversed fox hunting and those more to the right of the party wanted the ban reversed. |
Because MPs could still smoke as much as they liked at Parliament, claiming its a royal palace so has always been exempt from laws they like to impose on the little people
Ban smoking completely at Westminster then I'll start to believe it's not nanny state idealogy driving this. | | | |
| Stealth smoking ban on 13:14 - Aug 29 with 1240 views | Benters |
| Stealth smoking ban on 13:01 - Aug 29 by Sikamikanico |
As someone who lost a parent to lung cancer when they were 57 it's about time further restrictions were brought in. |
I’m sorry that happened to you.
As much as I’ve enjoyed a smoke over the years,it’s a daft thing to do when you think about it health wise,and of course financially.
My mum smoked from a young age,and she died of cancer in her early 80s. | |
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| Stealth smoking ban on 13:14 - Aug 29 with 1239 views | lowhouseblue |
| Stealth smoking ban on 13:01 - Aug 29 by ElderGrizzly |
And the economic argument of Farage et al doesn’t add up
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that's a very good long-term downward trend. what if smoking and regularly going to the pub are positively correlated to some extent? only 9% of british adults go to the pub once a week for example. | |
| And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show |
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| Stealth smoking ban on 13:16 - Aug 29 with 1214 views | ElderGrizzly |
| Stealth smoking ban on 13:09 - Aug 29 by stonojnr |
But the answer is go eat somewhere else if it bothers you that much, it's a choice at the end of the day where you spend your money |
It is and with only about 10% of the population smoking, I'm sure most people who own eateries etc will serve the 90% not the 10. | | | |
| Stealth smoking ban on 13:17 - Aug 29 with 1198 views | stonojnr |
| Stealth smoking ban on 11:13 - Aug 29 by Daninthecampo |
A ridiculous unfair idea/ rule in so many ways! the new age rule is also madnes,how can you say that because you're 1 week younger than your friend you're not legally allowed to smoke buy they can? It's a very slippery slope of government control.
Obesity kills more people per year in the UK than smoking, do we start banning fastfood and crisps, chocolate next?
And no im not a smoker,quit over 20 years ago |
We should ban cars, nearly 30,000, that's a Portman Road full house, killed or seriously injured every year, the financial impact in dealing with car crashes is huge way outweighed by the taxation created by cars. Plus has an immense environmental impact.
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| Stealth smoking ban on 13:19 - Aug 29 with 1179 views | giant_stow |
| Stealth smoking ban on 13:01 - Aug 29 by Sikamikanico |
As someone who lost a parent to lung cancer when they were 57 it's about time further restrictions were brought in. |
This thread must seem abhorrent to you- apologies. | |
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| Stealth smoking ban on 13:20 - Aug 29 with 1158 views | ElderGrizzly |
| Stealth smoking ban on 12:04 - Aug 29 by GlasgowBlue |
Although I absolutely abhor smoking and think that the previous government's policy to phase out smoking o0ver the years was a great idea, this will kill off what remaining local pubs we have. |
Maybe pubs will thrive with this type of promise?
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| Stealth smoking ban on 14:16 - Aug 29 with 1046 views | positivity |
| Stealth smoking ban on 13:17 - Aug 29 by stonojnr |
We should ban cars, nearly 30,000, that's a Portman Road full house, killed or seriously injured every year, the financial impact in dealing with car crashes is huge way outweighed by the taxation created by cars. Plus has an immense environmental impact.
But I bet they won't. |
it's very unlikely as cars have some fairly obvious upsides! smoking only has an upside if you're a tobacco company... | |
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